**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

spare_me wrote: »

id never vote labour but in their defense , they have protected both public sector pay and social wellfare rates to a very large degree when you consider the state the economy was in

Ultimately is that not part of the problem.

Less dynamic more buying votes. Not to be construed with doing nothing at all for 4 years

spare_me wrote: »

my point is , labour have done pretty well in looking after their two core constituencies

the public sector and wellfare recipients

despite this they get no credit

they are the rodney dangerfield of irish political parties


you could also add their achievments in terms of social policy , gay marriage referendum and reform of our abortion laws

Have you read the polls. They've looked after very little but themselves.

listermint wrote: »

You had no sympathy. This has been the style of yours posts

Really, I thought I made it clear that peaceful protest is something that I support and if I recall I have several times pointed out that the current setup is not going to work because it is not going to result in enough money to do what is supposed to do.

But maybe a commercial point why IW is a crazy setup that will result in higher taxes next to the water charges is not simple enough for the “we won’t pay” crowd.

Never mind that I actually criticized Gardaí for not doing anything about IW contracts (next to not protecting The Tánaiste).

But I guess if I don’t shout “I won’t pay” must mean that I have no criticism against the current IW setup or any sympathy for peaceful protest.

Fact is it was not a peaceful protest and anybody claiming that it was in light of the latest pictures/videos is as much a spinster as the government.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Joan Burton was hounded out of Dundalk...

...Paul Murphy and his communist friends...

:pac:

Christ...The level of simplistic childishness that some posters can let themselves descend to.

It was only a few short years ago that Joan Burton's party were themselves called "communists" by the same type Fine Gael/Fianna Fail squawkers we're seeing here.

Fücking laughable.

There's about 6 posters on here that continually post this bottom feeding level of contribution that I, and I'm sure many others, find (and have found for some time now) utterly lamentable.

I've come to the conclusion that the likes of dxhound, Barely there, guy: incognito, nox, maryanne and phoebeas actually don't WANT to be taken seriously and are simple spouting off to complete some sort of misguided political fetish, rather than actually discussing the issue of Irish Water.

Pocoyo wrote: »

Agreed for 'hard working tax payers' they sure have a lot of time devoted to this thread.

So you imply that anyone who is pro water charges is not employed and doesn't pay tax?

Continue explaining this logic please...... im fascinated

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

Yeah because that's exactly what he said :rolleyes:

You well know its what was implied with the sarcastic inverted commas but as usual the anti crowd will charge in to circle the wagons to try and deflect any criticism of a ridiculous assertion made by someone on their side

Although if thats not what they meant id encourage them to please elaborate.....

Scanned the last 15 or so pages and saw no mention of this. Seems their was no water in Jobstown for the past couple of hours... "I've just been on to the director of services in the council and they're saying its a faulty valve on the Boherboy line, not a bust pipe. They're up there now and it's estimated they will have service resumed by lunchtime. Very strange timing." said Cllr Cathal King SF on FB.

https://www.facebook.com/cathal.king.73

Pocoyo wrote: »

No you are wrong you posted that i was stating all of the pro water charges posters(of which there are not many) are jobless...i never said that.

No you didnt say that at all I agree, but can you tell me exactly what were you trying to imply?

DonJose wrote: »

Scanned the last 15 or so pages and saw no mention of this. Seems their was no water in Jobstown for the past couple of hours... "I've just been on to the director of services in the council and they're saying its a faulty valve on the Boherboy line, not a bust pipe. They're up there now and it's estimated they will have service resumed by lunchtime. Very strange timing." said Cllr Cathal King SF on FB.

https://www.facebook.com/cathal.king.73

Cue conspiracy theories that Joan went down to the mains with a wrench and shut it off with her own two hands

Tony EH wrote: »

:pac:

Christ...The level of simplistic childishness that some posters can let themselves descend to.

It was only a few short years ago that Joan Burton's party were themselves called "communists" by the same type Fine Gael/Fianna Fail squawkers we're seeing here.

Fücking laughable.

There's about 6 posters on here that continually post this bottom feeding level of contribution that I, and I'm sure many others, find (and have found for some time now) utterly lamentable.

I've come to the conclusion that the likes of dxhound, Barely there, guy: incognito, nox, maryanne and phoebeas actually don't WANT to be taken seriously and are simple spouting off to complete some sort of misguided political fetish, rather than actually discussing the issue of Irish Water.

And the irony is,if IW charges are decreased or abandoned, the protests have put more money into their pockets.

Some form of masochism going on here.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Are you mad, if a leaf fell off a tree and landed near her next day in paper "missiles thrown" or other some such nonsense.

But it's not nonsense. It's not a Denis O'Brien, FG or Garda conspiracy.

The people you have aligned yourself with have been caught with their trousers down, in the form of assaulting the Tánaiste and damaging a patrol car in the midst of cries of "peaceful protest".

I had some sympathy for the cause but that has long since dried up.

I don't live in Ireland but have been following the rise of the water charges protests as it's very hard to miss. Paul Murphy really seems like he's just galvanized a community in order to intimidate the Tanaiste. His Facebook page is littered with requests for people to join protests to harass Joan. His definition of a peaceful process is far from peaceful considering his followers are imprisoning Joan in her car. I understand people don't agree with the governments policies but this is just an outrageous way to vent their anger.

I hope the government keep insisting with the water charges as I believe it's a tax that will benefit everyone. I pay for water over here and it genuinely makes me consider my water usage when it comes to everyday necessities like showering, washing dishes and washing clothes. Obviously the government aren't inserting this tax for their own benefit but because they need to raise revenue. It's a good tax that should have been implemented long ago as it will discourage water wastage and also people with lower disposable income will consider it more than higher disposable income in general so will be taxing the rich. I know that's generalising but I'm guessing that would be the case as higher disposable income users won't mind paying extra tax for using more water. Hopefully they use the money towards providing a better water service as it has suffered considering there hasn't been a lot of investment in the water system. I believe that's why we don't have combi boilers as the pressure isn't that good in Ireland.