ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

A Dub in Glasgo · 15-11-2014 09:58PM

efb wrote: »

Still think it isn't ligit???

The pic is a fake, it looks as if someone merged two photos to portray the scene in context

Looking at the vid, it does appear a brick is thrown but it is not as close as depicted in the photoshopped pic

EazyD · 15-11-2014 09:58PM

I agree with metered water charges

efb wrote: »

It is in motion

In motion or stationary, he's still missing a left foot. But by all means do continue

Galwayguy35 · 15-11-2014 09:58PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Stargate wrote: »

Who caused the trouble ? What trouble?

All i see are people protesting . Protests going on all over Europe this week Italy, France, Brussels and the UK , Whole lot of em " scumbags "
Not much coverage on RTE .

The only "scumbags" are those in power .

Tick Tock Tick Tock.

Remember remember the 10th of December .

If Paul Murphy, Boyd Barrett and Mr Property Developer Wallace get into power they will drive us all back to the door of the IMF.

Pocoyo · 15-11-2014 09:59PM

I agree with metered water charges

Zonda999 wrote: »

Why don't you look at the video in the link below and then repeat that statement?

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/protesters-blockade-tanaistes-car

damn!

moxin · 15-11-2014 10:01PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Indo pic has gone viral with many mutations, this is seriously discrediting that rag, about time.

Phoebas · 15-11-2014 10:03PM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Special effects mate, just like Hollywood. Guess Joan was right about these smartphones.

Are we to believe that the two newspapers are colluding to produce a fake video and a fake photograph both depicting the same event?

In fairness the photo did look like it could have been edited, but there's an incredible amount of confirmation bias going on around here.

Pocoyo · 15-11-2014 10:04PM

I agree with metered water charges

moxin wrote: »

Indo pic has gone viral with many mutations, this is seriously discrediting that rag, about time.

No i dont think it discredits them one bit,Actually i applaud the protesters restraint.

JRant · 15-11-2014 10:06PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

If Paul Murphy, Boyd Barrett and Mr Property Developer Wallace get into power they will drive us all back to the door of the IMF.

I would be far more worried about FF getting back into power under Michael Martin.

Those people you named MIGHT bring the IMF back into town but FF and MM DID bring them in.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 10:11PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

If Paul Murphy, Boyd Barrett and Mr Property Developer Wallace get into power they will drive us all back to the door of the IMF.

Is that the same IMF who are coming here next week to make sure we're doing what they told us to do?

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCEQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Feconomy%2Ftroika-to-raise-property-market-policies-and-water-debacle-1.1998506&ei=VsFnVIiCNJTdsATQ4YGIAQ&usg=AFQjCNG982A4Ls3WrByxe-mYLuFagss8VA&bvm=bv.79142246,d.ZWU

LionelNashe · 15-11-2014 10:12PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Banjo String wrote: »

Here ya go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNCmaJkhOQw

The gards should be pressing charges alright. Certainly not a against the homeowner though.

I thought I was going blind or that you were taking the piss. That video is nearly 2 minutes longer than the one johnny68 posted. The one on the liberal.ie website doesn't have 'the blasting of the crotch with the high pressure hose'.

Zonda999 · 15-11-2014 10:12PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Phoebas wrote: »

Are we to believe that the two newspapers are colluding to produce a fake video and a fake photograph both depicting the same event?

In fairness the photo did look like it could have been edited, but there's an incredible amount of confirmation bias going on around here.

Maybe the image in question was photoshopped, I don't know, but those promoting their opinion that it was photoshopped ignore the fact that clearly a brick was thrown at a Garda car in Jobstown. The Indo is correct about that. See, the great thing about bias is that it works both ways.

homerjay2005 · 15-11-2014 10:13PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

This is getting out of hand now, we are entering the greatest social divide this country has seen in decades.

Can see a 3 tier society emerging like certain other countries and its not going to be pretty

Chucky the tree · 15-11-2014 10:13PM

hip_priest wrote: »

it is, when you are throwing a brick while running, with 1 hand and 1 foot...

But he's got two feet, just one isn't visible because it's blocked by his leg. It's also pretty obvious he has two hands in the picture as well.

JRant wrote: »

Is it that amazing, really?

This is the level of distrust that happens when one man controls far to many of the media outlets in this country.

I think a level of "stupidity" is more suitable in this case.

LionelNashe · 15-11-2014 10:14PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Phoebas wrote: »

Are we to believe that the two newspapers are colluding to produce a fake video and a fake photograph both depicting the same event?

In fairness the photo did look like it could have been edited, but there's an incredible amount of confirmation bias going on around here.

That's putting it too kindly.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 10:16PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

homerjay2005 wrote: »

This is getting out of hand now, we are entering the greatest social divide this country has seen in decades.

Can see a 3 tier society emerging like certain other countries and its not going to be pretty

Absolutely.
How many decades did it take to build up community relations between Gardai and residents in these area's.
FG destroy it all in one term in office.

JRant · 15-11-2014 10:16PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

This is getting out of hand now, we are entering the greatest social divide this country has seen in decades.

Can see a 3 tier society emerging like certain other countries and its not going to be pretty

Completely agree homer.

There is also the missing tier made up of all those people who have emigrated.

Chucky the tree · 15-11-2014 10:18PM

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Absolutely.
How many decades did it take to build up community relations between Gardai and residents in these area's.
FG destroy it all in one term in office.

Yea, I'd say relations between the Gardai and the community is Jobstown were brilliant before this. :pac:

Little CuChulainn · 15-11-2014 10:19PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

I thought the photo was fake too but the video clearly shows the same guy throwing a brick at a Garda car. Bit strange that people are still calling it fake.

listermint · 15-11-2014 10:19PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

homerjay2005 wrote: »

This is getting out of hand now, we are entering the greatest social divide this country has seen in decades.

Can see a 3 tier society emerging like certain other countries and its not going to be pretty

There is is a large part of the problem these guys earning pulling in 200k odd including expenses are so far removed from the pressure of average bill paying family's that they believe people have the money to give because they have it.

They are blind to people's ability to handle more cuts to their income.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 10:19PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Yea, I'd say relations between the Gardai and the community is Jobstown were brilliant before this. :pac:

Care to elaborate?

Kermit.de.frog · 15-11-2014 10:20PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Water charges will help working tax payers. By taking the expense away from the government's balance sheet they could reduce taxes next year and increase social welfare by an additional €500m.

Without a doubt a good portion of the rent-a-mob in Jobstown don't actually work and thus don't care nor have the brain power to understand the argument in favour. God forbid they might have to pay for something in society.

listermint · 15-11-2014 10:21PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I thought the photo was fake too but the video clearly shows the same guy throwing a brick at a Garda car. Bit strange that people are still calling it fake.

Real or fake I'd would surprise me little if a reporter handed someone a hundred note to make some good photos for joan to deflect about in the morning.

The media and the government are. Unscrupulous in their pursuit to tar all these protests with an 'element'

gladrags · 15-11-2014 10:22PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Typical Sindo.

The truth does n

"Tonight the Irish Independent showed their true colours by printing a deliberately embellished and downright fake news report against the water protest.

In their online paper the printed the story that is copied in it’s entirety below just in case they delete it from their site. In the story they said that there are “rioters” in the anti-water protest and they posted a photograph of said “rioter” throwing a brick at a Garda car. They then linked the story to the protest at Joan Burton’s visit to Jobstown tonight.

The only problem is THE PHOTO IS FAKE. It has been PHOTOSHOPPED and photoshopped VERY BADLY!

We encourage everyone to download the photo and do the following
- Download the image of the rioter throwing the brick
- Enlarge the photo in your viewer until you see the pixels
- look at the people in the background and note how the pixelation is consistent with the photo (because they are really there)
- Now look at the rioter in the foreground, zoomed in you will see the inconsistent pixelation showing that the character has been photoshopped in (for God’s sake he is even missing a foot)
- Now do the same with the brick and get the same result

What you have just witnessed is propaganda at it’s worst and most lazy

The Irish Independent has deliberately lied to the Irish public and actually manufactured the lie with graphic technology. This is an absolute scandal and I can guarantee you it is not the first time it has been done.

It clearly shows you cannot believe anything you read in the Irish Independent and those in the paper who have a ounce of honesty will demand the resignation of the editor."

twowheelsgood · 15-11-2014 10:22PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I thought the photo was fake too but the video clearly shows the same guy throwing a brick at a Garda car. Bit strange that people are still calling it fake.

Maybe I'm not techie savvy enough, but why did it look fake?

And why would anybody doctoring a photo that will be seen by 100s of thousands
do it badly (if it is done badly)?

And why would they do it at all? A massive risk for a fairly minimal gain methinks?

JRant · 15-11-2014 10:22PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

But he's got two feet, just one isn't visible because it's blocked by his leg. It's also pretty obvious he has two hands in the picture as well.

I think a level of "stupidity" is more suitable in this case.

Your right, it is stupid to allow one person have so much control.

Little CuChulainn · 15-11-2014 10:22PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Water charges will help working tax payers. By taking the expense away from the government's balance sheet they could reduce taxes next year and increase social welfare by an additional €500m.

Without a doubt a good portion of the rent-a-mob in Jobstown don't actually work and thus don't care. God forbid they might have to pay for something in society.

That's exactly it. It's all well and good to call for it to be taken from taxes when you don't pay any.

moxin · 15-11-2014 10:23PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Without a doubt a good portion of the rent-a-mob in Jobstown don't actually work and thus don't care nor have the brain power to understand the argument in favour. God forbid they might have to pay for something in society.

Please quote employment stats for Jobstown to back up your statement.

Phoebas · 15-11-2014 10:24PM

Zonda999 wrote: »

Maybe the image in question was photoshopped, I don't know, but those promoting their opinion that it was photoshopped ignore the fact that clearly a brick was thrown at a Garda car in Jobstown. The Indo is correct about that. See, the great thing about bias is that it works both ways.

Which was my original point when I posted the photo - that the protest in Tallaght today wasn't entirely peaceful.
I think there were two arrests and a Garda car was damaged.

LionelNashe wrote: »

That's putting it too kindly.

I do try to be kind.

Little CuChulainn · 15-11-2014 10:24PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Maybe I'm not techie savvy enough, but why did it look fake?

And why would anybody doctoring a photo that will be seen by 100s of thousands
do it badly (if it is done badly)?

And why would they do it at all? A massive risk for a fairly minimal gain methinks?

I just assumed they saw it on someones twitter or something and bought it off them without checking if it was genuine. But the picture is pretty well backed up by the footage of him.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-11-2014 10:25PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

That's exactly it. It's all well and good to call for it to be taken from taxes when you don't pay any.

Exactly.

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