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**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

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  • #1952
    twowheelsgood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭twowheelsgood


    Banjo String wrote: »
    I think you missed my point. That being that this is a revenue raising exercise.
    If we had introduced metered water in an economically favourable time it would not be a revenue raising exercise. The intake from water charges would be offset by tax cuts somewhere else.
    We are not of course in ordinary times – we have a dirty big deficit. Hence no tax cuts / rebate.
    Banjo String wrote: »
    Water is something we will always need, and they have an indefinite supply. It can be easily meterd, meaning the citizens can be easily exploited.
    Yep. Lucky us in Ireland. With water charges is most modern countries – there must be exploited citizens to beat the band. :)
    Banjo String wrote: »
    Something very, very peculiar about a Govt going to such lengths to collect a paltry sum of money (in the grand scheme of things)
    Whether you agree or disagree with it I didn’t think there was any great mystery about why the government went down this road?


  • #1953
    Stargate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Phone Joan blocked in in Tallaght. She should get out and talk to the people who voted her in.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=728756540551031&set=a.482549795171708.1073741825.100002500748674&type=1&theater


    Video
    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=362699010573864&set=vb.279194528924313&type=2&theater


  • #1954
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    tayto lover wrote: »
    You said the IW people were not doing anything wrong.

    They opened his gate without his permission.

    But he was wrong to try and close his own gate.

    I said they were not doing anything illegal or justifying an assault. Read back on the comments if you want. I specifically said they potentially committed a civil tort agaisnt him but it still didn't justify assault.
    Worple wrote: »
    Your dream world of a super right wing oppressive state is not going to materialise

    Householder had no legal authority to be on his property ?

    Where did I even say that? If you have nothing to add aside from slogans and fabricated claims then don't bother responding.


  • #1955
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,076 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I said they were not doing anything illegal or justifying an assault. Read back on the comments if you want. I specifically said they potentially committed a civil tort agaisnt him but it still didn't justify assault.

    So how are the protesters assaulting Joan?

    By the way the householder WAS assaulted by them pushing him and turning a power hose on him.


  • #1956
    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Banjo String wrote: »

    Something very, very peculiar about a Govt going to such lengths to collect a paltry sum of money (in the grand scheme of things)

    It may not be a great amount in the grand scheme of things, but nothing peculiar about its ringfencing at all. It is completely sensible to centralize and move away from the disastrous water management to date. I completely agree with water charging

    The only question IMO is over the nature of the body to manage it


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  • #1957
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    There you have it. You will be paying for water for as long as you are using it and whoever comes after you. The water bill will just be like the phone bill or the electric bill. And the protestors will have moved on to something else.
    twowheelsgood wrote: »
    If we had introduced metered water in an economically favourable time it would not be a revenue raising exercise. The intake from water charges would be offset by tax cuts somewhere else.
    We are not of course in ordinary times – we have a dirty big deficit. Hence no tax cuts / rebate.

    Yep. Lucky us in Ireland. With water charges is most modern countries – there must be exploited citizens to beat the band. :)
    Whether you agree or disagree with it I didn’t think there was any great mystery about why the government went down this road?

    Two, very staunch supporters of Irish Water, and the current Govt quote me....

    Both, leave the very first part of the post out. ...
    Banjo String wrote: »
    No to both. I don't mind paying for water, I never have.

    What sort of sorcery caused such a coincidence......... :pac:


  • #1958
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    twowheelsgood wrote: »

    Yep. Lucky us in Ireland. With water charges is most modern countries – there must be exploited citizens to beat the band. :)

    Do these other countries have a USC?
    Do they have a VRT at 25% with VAT on top?


  • #1959
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    BTW, the protesters in the FB picture are on a public street.
    Are people not allowed on a public street now?

    Not to block public works they're not.


  • #1960
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I said they were not doing anything illegal or justifying an assault. Read back on the comments if you want. I specifically said they potentially committed a civil tort agaisnt him but it still didn't justify assault.



    Where did I even say that? If you have nothing to add aside from slogans and fabricated claims then don't bother responding.

    'a civil tort'.....
    Yes Lionel.:D


  • #1961
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    donvito99 wrote: »
    Not to block public works they're not.

    Ring the moan there,
    ask her how she's getting on.
    Do you know what's terrible? The sound of running water when you're bursting.......how ironic......


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  • #1962
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Grandpa Hassan wrote: »
    It may not be a great amount in the grand scheme of things, but nothing peculiar about its ringfencing at all. It is completely sensible to centralize and move away from the disastrous water management to date. I completely agree with water charging

    The only question IMO is over the nature of the body to manage it

    FG have a very peculiar way of ringfencing anything imo.

    Fool me once.
    Finance Minister Michael Noonan has admitted that €490m meant for local services is to be diverted into Irish Water.

    Mr Noonan said a “subvention” was being made from the local government fund to go to the water metering company.

    He said Revenue collects the money and the total property tax returns are then transferred to the Local Government Fund for services.

    People Before Profit TD Richard Boyd Barrett said proceeds from the property tax were being used to set up Irish Water. “The Government, in levying this unpopular, regressive austerity tax, tried to neutralise opposition to it by saying that all the moneys collected would go back into local areas and services,” said Mr Boyd Barrett. “We then discovered not a single cent would go towards local services, but would be used to meet the start-up costs of Irish Water.” http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/490m-meant-for-local-services-diverted-to-irish-water-255608.html


  • #1963
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    tayto lover wrote: »
    So how are the protesters assaulting Joan?

    By the way the householder WAS assaulted by them pushing him and turning a power hose on him.

    Are you even reading my posts? Where did I say Joan was assaulted? I said the protesters were committing an offence of wilful obstruction.


  • #1964
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Stargate wrote: »
    Video
    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=362699010573864&set=vb.279194528924313&type=2&theater

    I would love if the guards, who agree with the principles of the protesters, took their hats off to show their support. Happened in Italy recently at a protest.


  • #1965
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    I would love if the guards, who agree with the principles of the protesters, took their hats off to show their support. Happened in Italy recently at a protest.

    This is Ireland.
    Won't happen.:(


  • #1966
    twowheelsgood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭twowheelsgood


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    Do these other countries have a USC?
    Do they have a VRT at 25% with VAT on top?
    Once again, this has nothing to do with what I posted. I don't know why you quote me and then make an unrelated point? :confused:


  • #1967
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,076 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Are you even reading my posts? Where did I say Joan was assaulted? I said the protesters were committing an offence of wilful obstruction.

    The exact offence being committed by the IW workers on the householder.


  • #1968
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    I would love if the guards, who agree with the principles of the protesters, took their hats off to show their support. Happened in Italy recently at a protest.

    I'd love it more if the guards arrested the idiots at the front who are attacking her car and used the "peaceful protesters" video footage as evidence.


  • #1969
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Lionel Hutz wrote: »
    Are you even reading my posts? Where did I say Joan was assaulted? I said the protesters were committing an offence of wilful obstruction.

    Did you find any legislation that permits contractors of Irish Water or cross private residence boundaries, or to turn pressure wash hoses on to homeowners genital area yet?


  • #1970
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The exact offence being committed by the IW workers on the householder.

    Do you know what willful means?


  • #1971
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    This is Ireland.
    Won't happen.:(

    They were not anywhere near as hands on as they have been at other protests though.

    I think she is still blocked in :D

    Edit: They are leading her out in a protest march. This is a really strong and peaceful message, Well done Tallaght.

    https://www.facebook.com/TallaghtSaysNotoWaterMetering?fref=photo


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  • #1972
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,634 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    She was right about these people having loads of phones.


  • #1973
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Do you know what willful means?

    Do you know what Irish workers and household mean?

    It has nothing to do with Joan being blocked in btw.


  • #1974
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    She was right about these people having loads of phones.

    The bastards.
    What next??? They'll be eating food and breathing air!!


  • #1975
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,634 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    The bastards.
    What next??? They'll be eating food!!

    Going for a few pints.


  • #1976
    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Banjo String wrote: »
    FG have a very peculiar way of ringfencing anything imo.

    Fool me once.

    The problem here is that it should have been done years and years ago. Bit because of the shortsightedness of previous governments, there is no longer enough capacity in the population to raise enough to finance the changes to the water management that need to be made. Just because it is supplemented from elsewhere, it does not mean that money raised through the water charges are not ringfenced to pay for water and waste services

    And this is not a regressive tax. A regressive tax would be piling on more onto income tax, the PAYE worker again subsidizing others. It is right that all pay for water, with appropriate provision for the very worst off.

    So....I support water charging 100%. Does not mean I agree with the way that IW has been structured. But going back to the way it was is just not an option


  • #1977
    Stargate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    They were not anywhere near as hands on as they have been at other protests though.

    I think she is still blocked in :D

    Edit: They are leading her out in a protest march. This is a really strong and peaceful message, Well done Tallaght.

    https://www.facebook.com/TallaghtSaysNotoWaterMetering?fref=photo

    Riot squad on the way last i heard

    " Large number of Public Order Units cops lining up in Tallaght. "


  • #1978
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Going for a few pints.

    Ooooohhh, the humanity of it all.........


  • #1979
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,634 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I think she should get out of the car and speak to her constituents. Lovey peacful people.


  • #1980
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

    And this is not a regressive tax. A regressive tax would be piling on more onto income tax.

    You're right there.
    This is a tax you pay from your income that's already been taxed.


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  • #1981
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,076 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Do you know what willful means?

    Were the IW workers not wilfully obstructing the householder from closing his gates?
    Try harder.


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