ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 01:22PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

Gee, thanks Tinkerbell. So very kind of you. So sorry our country hovels are worth so little. Pity we have no footpaths, street lighting, traffic lights, public sewerage, public transport, etc....

Well, you were spouting on yesterday about people wanting others to pay for their electricity and that.
You should remember that we, in Dublin, pay a massive amount in LPT to keep counties like yours ticking over.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 01:23PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

dxhound2005 wrote: »

When it is privatised do you think the new company will keep supplying water to houses with an eight years history of non payment to IW?

LOL.
What are they going to do?
Turn down the stopcock?

tayto lover · 15-11-2014 01:23PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

When it is privatised do you think the new company will keep supplying water to houses with an eight years history of non payment to IW?

I don't know but I do know that they will continue to support FG with funds while they are dreaming up their next coup. Just like what happened after the ESAT fiasco.

Banjo String · 15-11-2014 01:26PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

dxhound2005 wrote: »

When it is privatised do you think the new company will keep supplying water to houses with an eight years history of non payment to IW?

If the numbers unregistered so far, refuse to pay a bill, I give Irish Water 8 weeks to survive.

Never mind 8 years.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 01:26PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't know but I do know that they will continue to support FG with funds while they are dreaming up their next coup. Just like what happened after the ESAT fiasco.

Denis and Mairia.
The people who really run our country.

15-11-2014 01:27PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Well, you were spouting on yesterday about people wanting others to pay for their electricity and that.
You should remember that we, in Dublin, pay a massive amount in LPT to keep counties like yours ticking over.

And we pay nothing? We pay according to the value of our houses. We also have to have our sewage systems serviced annually, at a minimum charge of €100. I choose to live where I do and am happy with my lot. What you never had, you never miss (footpaths, public transport, etc). I wasn't "spouting", I was asking a simple question. Water is a utility, just like gas, electricity and other heating methods. Though, I suppose, in a way, I am paying some other peoples utility bills through my taxes.

ROCKMAN · 15-11-2014 01:28PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

Er, he will. That loophole was closed.

Satriale wrote: »

Not that i doubt you , but can you link? Tis rarely they reverse on the gravy, i need to savour the moment.

Same here because I seem to remember something about claiming it back as a Tax allowance ,So they be seen to pay but get it back another way ,Now I could be wrong and this was also covered in the loophole been closed as Maryanne has posted.

dxhound2005 · 15-11-2014 01:28PM

Banjo String wrote: »

If the numbers unregistered so far, refuse to pay a bill, I give Irish Water 8 weeks to survive.

Never mind 8 years.

We need a new resident necromancer. Your predictions of the future so far have proved to be woeful.

tayto lover · 15-11-2014 01:29PM

Calm down Maryanne

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 01:31PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

And we pay nothing? We pay according to the value of our houses. We also have to have our sewage systems serviced annually, at a minimum charge of €100. I choose to live where I do and am happy with my lot. What you never had, you never miss (footpaths, public transport, etc). I wasn't "spouting", I was asking a simple question. Water is a utility, just like gas, electricity and other heating methods. Though, I suppose, in a way, I am paying some other peoples utility bills through my taxes.

Yea?
I have my owe treatment plant too.
€350 PA to service.
You were going on about paying water tax and subsidising others.
The people of Dublin pay more for your services than you do but we don't avail of those services.
Out of interest, how much is your LPT?

Banjo String · 15-11-2014 01:33PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

dxhound2005 wrote: »

We need a new resident necromancer. Your predictions of the future so far have proved to be woeful.

The ship is sinking.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 01:36PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Banjo String wrote: »

The ship is sinking.

Denis owns the ship.
It'll be grand.......Women and children first! Oh....wait......
Denis first...enda second.....

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 02:08PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

So, in reality what they're now proposing is a registration fee of less than €200 for the average family.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/water-charges-to-be-cut-to-under-200-per-household-as-levy-is-streamlined-1.2001930

Household charge, anyone?????

The real question is, will the thick paddies fall for it..............again..........?????

Banjo String · 15-11-2014 02:15PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Tinkersbell wrote: »

So, in reality what they're now proposing is a registration fee of less than €200 for the average family.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/water-charges-to-be-cut-to-under-200-per-household-as-levy-is-streamlined-1.2001930

Household charge, anyone?????

The real question is, will the thick paddies fall for it..............again..........?????

Lol.....

They'll soon be offering to pay us to use the water at this stage.

The message isn't getting through.

Joe public want Irish Water abolished.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 02:19PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Banjo String wrote: »

Lol.....

They'll soon be offering to pay us to use the water at this stage.

The message isn't getting through.

Joe public want Irish Water abolished.

Enda doesn't listen to Joe Public.
Enda listens to Denis O'Brien.

teddy_303 · 15-11-2014 02:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And we pay nothing? We pay according to the value of our houses. We also have to have our sewage systems serviced annually, at a minimum charge of €100. I choose to live where I do and am happy with my lot. What you never had, you never miss (footpaths, public transport, etc). I wasn't "spouting", I was asking a simple question. Water is a utility, just like gas, electricity and other heating methods. Though, I suppose, in a way, I am paying some other peoples utility bills through my taxes.

mary, water is one of the 4 basic elements of the earth. it is no more a utility than the other 3, earth, wind or fire. if you have your way, we will have to pay a royalty payment to some other tin pot hitler to light a fire in your own home. oh yes, thats coming down the line in respect of carbon tax. i hope you wake up to the nonsensical corpo facist ideology you are talking on here, assuming you don't already know its utter bunkum you are saying.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 15-11-2014 02:35PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Greenmachine wrote: »

Don't know what to make of the video to be honest. No comes out of it looking good. The Irish Water lads, enroaching on his property, and 2 of them come close to a physical altercation with the man. I can only go on what I see in the videos. The guy was noticeably pissed, from the video I can't tell if he just wanted a fight with IW, or if them enroaching his entrance set him off. At the end of the day, they are doing a job, but I think the situation could have been handled better.

They (iw staff) acted like unprofessional thugs.
Wouldn't blame the male resident, he was provoked.

Smidge wrote: »

Maybe blasting him in his genitals, and therefore assaulting him on his own property annoyed him?
Maybe the refusal to leave private property annoyed him?
Maybe denying the leave of his own property through his own entrance annoyed him?
Do your job but dont break the law.
Which they clearly have.

+1

twowheelsgood · 15-11-2014 02:38PM

Going Forward wrote: »

Or privatisation.

So if there is a referendum on privatization will that put an end to your concern about costs in the future?

masculinist · 15-11-2014 02:43PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

I cant believe the shyte on this thread from pro water tax shills .

It seems politicians are refusing to do their jobs and keep their oaths.
Kenny you traitor - listen to the people, take that smirk off your face, fulfill your job description and abolish Irish Water.

Banjo String · 15-11-2014 02:45PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

So if there is a referendum on privatization will that put an end to your concern about costs in the future?

It will be irrelevant who owns/runs Irish Water as a company in the future, IMO, public or private, the prices will only go up.

They're attempting to make water, a taxable commodity, (there was a recent large delivery of the commodity on Thurs btw) and the fact the initial cost (per unit) of water, was among the highest in the EU before they rowed back on it, shows you their ultimate goal.

Our motor tax has remained a public charge, it's risen to be among the EUs highest.

Ditto alcohol and tobacco.

If they manage to slip this one under the door, we'll be punished severely in years to come.

ROCKMAN · 15-11-2014 02:47PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

So if there is a referendum on privatization will that put an end to your concern about costs in the future?

A Referendum would stop that avenue of concern for me ,Will it stop all my concerns NO ...Still have major concerns about IW and what will happen when the caps are lifted and all the borrowing that they have planned comes into play .

15-11-2014 02:49PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Phone Joan blocked in in Tallaght. She should get out and talk to the people who voted her in.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=728756540551031&set=a.482549795171708.1073741825.100002500748674&type=1&theater

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 02:52PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Banjo String wrote: »

It will be irrelevant who owns/runs Irish Water as a company in the future, IMO, public or private, the prices will only go up.

They're attempting to make water, a taxable commodity, (there was a recent large delivery of the commodity on Thurs btw) and the fact the initial cost (per unit) of water, was among the highest in the EU before they rowed back on it, shows you their ultimate goal.

Our motor tax has remained a public charge, it's risen to be among the EUs highest.

Ditto alcohol and tobacco.

If they manage to slip this one under the door, we'll be punished severely in years to come.

Seems to me hat there's a percentage of Irish people who want to be punished.
Maybe it's a hang up from colonial times, an attempt to redeem....an apology if you like.
Maybe a lot of people in this nation have a need to be ruled and have a lot of mistrust in their own ability to think differently.
There's a psyche at play no doubt, it's hard to work out exactly what it is.

twowheelsgood · 15-11-2014 02:52PM

Banjo String wrote: »

It will be irrelevant who owns/runs Irish Water as a company in the future, IMO, public or private, the prices will only go up.

If you think that then why is it an issue at all whether it is privatized or not? And why would costs go up if it is not privatized?

Banjo String wrote: »

Our motor tax has remained a public charge, it's risen to be among the EUs highest.

Ditto alcohol and tobacco.

If they manage to slip this one under the door, we'll be punished severely in years to come.

But the total tax burden will be much the same. Slash motor tax, or anything else if you want. But you will have to raise the same tax somewhere else in lieu.

Tinkersbell · 15-11-2014 02:55PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

But the total tax burden will be much the same. Slash motor tax, or anything else if you want. But you will have to raise the same tax somewhere else in lieu.

So, now that they're talking about €200 for the average family and not the €400 plus it was going to be, where do you think the additional subvention is going to come from?
IW will be operating at a massive loss on €200 from the average family.
It's a scam, nothing more, nothing less.

twowheelsgood · 15-11-2014 02:58PM

Tinkersbell wrote: »

So, now that they're talking about €200 for the average family and not the €400 plus it was going to be, where do you think the additional subvention is going to come from?
IW will be operating at a massive loss on €200 from the average family.
It's a scam, nothing more, nothing less.

Not sure what that has to do with what I posted?

ROCKMAN · 15-11-2014 02:59PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

If you think that then why is it an issue at all whether it is privatized or not? And why would costs go up if it is not privatized?

But the total tax burden will be much the same. Slash motor tax, or anything else if you want. But you will have to raise the same tax somewhere else in lieu.

Because they plan on borrowing Billons on "off the Balance sheet plan " so how else will they pay these loans and their interests back..
Yes pass it on to the customers.....

twowheelsgood · 15-11-2014 03:00PM

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Because they plan on borrowing Billons on "off Balance sheet plan " so how else will they pay these loans and their interests back..

And what will they spend all these billions on?

Banjo String · 15-11-2014 03:01PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

twowheelsgood wrote: »

If you think that then why is it an issue at all whether it is privatized or not? And why would costs go up if it is not privatized?

Its not an issue to me.

I want Irish Water as an entity abolished. It's an unnecessary quango.

twowheelsgood wrote: »

If But the total tax burden will be much the same. Slash motor tax, or anything else if you want. But you will have to raise the same tax somewhere else in lieu.

At least you admit freely that, that's what this is all about. Many on here would have you believe it's all about conservation.

Water is just an asset that can be metered, and paddy can be horsed on it.

It's as simple as that

Little CuChulainn · 15-11-2014 03:01PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Phone Joan blocked in in Tallaght. She should get out and talk to the people who voted her in.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=728756540551031&set=a.482549795171708.1073741825.100002500748674&type=1&theater

For those of you who were confused earlier, this behavior is Wilful Obstruction under Section 9 of the Public Order Act.

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ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP