ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

Valetta · 14-11-2014 12:55PM

smash wrote: »

They can't. the same way the ESB can't.

The government control IW.

The government control Revenue.

So, yes they can have revenue collect the water charges if they are so minded.

Whether they do or not is a different matter.

ROCKMAN · 14-11-2014 01:18PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

smash wrote: »

They can't. the same way the ESB can't.

Valetta wrote: »

The government control IW.

The government control Revenue.

So, yes they can have revenue collect the water charges if they are so minded.

Whether they do or not is a different matter.

At the moment I don't think they can but that is probably what any changes to the legislation is about , However if they try to go down this route I honestly can see it getting defeated ,I think enough backbenchers would vote against it . And mark the beginning of the end.

shinzon · 14-11-2014 01:28PM

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Tinder Surprise wrote: »

is there any truth that the Government are moving to make the water charge collectable via the Revenue Dept/Taxes?
Just like the property tax?

If so, I would love someone to do a website listing all TD's that voted 'for' & 'against'.

Just a little something for the 2016 General election

Emergency legislation was rumoured to be rammed through the Dail today but because its been suspended itll be next week now

More then likely the legislation will be revenue getting involved in the collection

Shin

Going Forward · 14-11-2014 01:45PM

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ROCKMAN wrote: »

At the moment I don't think they can but that is probably what any changes to the legislation is about , However if they try to go down this route I honestly can see it getting defeated ,I think enough backbenchers would vote against it . And mark the beginning of the end.

I can't see them doing a u turn on reducing pressure to a trickle for non conformers without Revenue being brought in to ensure "compliance".

renegademaster · 14-11-2014 01:51PM

shinzon wrote: »

Emergency legislation was rumoured to be rammed through the Dail today but because its been suspended itll be next week now

More then likely the legislation will be revenue getting involved in the collection

Shin

i'm on the first bus to dublin if they think they'll get away with this!!

_Kaiser_ · 14-11-2014 01:55PM

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Valetta wrote: »

The government control IW.

The government control Revenue.

So, yes they can have revenue collect the water charges if they are so minded.

Whether they do or not is a different matter.

+1.. this blind faith that some people have that because something is a certain way today, it can't be changed tomorrow is a little worrying.

Legislation can be - and has been - changed on the whim of whatever government is in power at the time, occasionally in the dead of night or with minimal/no debate (as has been complained about on several occasions over the last few years)

The current government could very easily get Revenue involved. There's no technical reason why they can't. The only thing that might stop them is the reaction from an already angry public. It could very well push this whole mess over a cliff and result in the fall of the government and mass protests, strikes etc

Seeing as Enda and co want to be in power until 2016 they might balk at this step, at which point they'll be counting on a real "giveaway" budget next year and people getting stupid over 1916 celebrations to see them through the GE - that's why PaddyPower has Enda favorite to be the next Taoiseach, because given the choice of Martin or Adams leading the next government, people will vote for what they see as the "best of the worst"

(personally I'd disagree with that assessment. While the other 2 aren't great choices, giving this arrogant out-of-touch schoolteacher - who's spent his entire adult life draining the public purse - another 5 years after his performance this time round would be insanity)

Red Pepper · 14-11-2014 02:12PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

I actually wish that SF didn't exist. They really complicate matters.

I wish we were at the point where we had exhausted all politics parties and found them to be as corrupt and self serving as each other. It would mean we had a serious vacuum in terms of an alternative and we might see real change.

However SF being the only alternative is less than ideal because their shady past will drive many voters back to the same old corrupt muppets.

Maybe a rainbow coalition with SF as a major partner needs to be tried so that we can expose the serious failings of our political system once and for all.

...Or...how many of you fine people would vote for the Red Pepper People's Party (RPPP)?

VinLieger · 14-11-2014 02:14PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Red Pepper wrote: »

I actually wish that SF didn't exist. They really complicate matters.

I wish we were at the point where we had exhausted all politics parties and found them to be as corrupt and self serving as each other. It would mean we had a serious vacuum in terms of an alternative and we might see real change.

However SF being the only alternative is less than ideal because their shady past will drive many voters back to the same old corrupt muppets.

Maybe a rainbow coalition with SF as a major partner needs to be tried so that we can expose the serious failings of our political system once and for all.

...Or...how many of you fine people would vote for the Red Pepper People's Party (RPPP)?

I daily go between wanting SF in power just to show the people how awful it would be to then realising the overall and long term damage would probably outweigh the positive of displaying their awfulness

Tinder Surprise · 14-11-2014 02:18PM

SF is not every bodies cup of tea, and mine neither, but...

I would hate to think where this whole debate would be without any real voice in Govt opposing what is going on, cause one thing is for sure Labour really are just another lap dog like the PD's, Greens etc of the past.

Red Pepper · 14-11-2014 02:20PM

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Tinder Surprise wrote: »

SF is not every bodies cup of tea, and mine neither, but...

I would hate to think where this whole debate would be without any real voice in Govt opposing what is going on, cause one thing is for sure Labour really are just another lap dog like the PD's, Greens etc of the past.

That's a fair point, we need them now but we just dont need them.
I reckon it would really help if Adams went away.

_Kaiser_ · 14-11-2014 02:20PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Red Pepper wrote: »

I actually wish that SF didn't exist. They really complicate matters.

I wish we were at the point where we had exhausted all politics parties and found them to be as corrupt and self serving as each other. It would mean we had a serious vacuum in terms of an alternative and we might see real change.

However SF being the only alternative is less than ideal because their shady past will drive many voters back to the same old corrupt muppets.

Maybe a rainbow coalition with SF as a major partner needs to be tried so that we can expose the serious failings of our political system once and for all.

...Or...how many of you fine people would vote for the Red Pepper People's Party (RPPP)?

You've got my vote

I don't think SF are the threat/problem you think they are though. As I've said before, when it comes to standing in the booth (and despite what polls might say beforehand) most Irish people won't actually vote for them.

Their problem is made worse by 3 things:

- Their core supporters generally don't bother to vote at all
- They think that people here still really care about Republicanism
- Gerry Adams is a liability

As such, it's the usual 2 horse race between FF & FG in my opinion. If FF shed Martin and O'Dea and a few others from the previous administration before the election they'll comfortably win it as given that stark choice, people will vote for what they know and can expect over the outright lies and cronyism peddled by the current Government (even today they're still at it - appointing the outgoing head of Revenue as head of the new "independent" Garda Authority)

Going Forward · 14-11-2014 02:26PM

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Iris Water is operating without a valid Tax Clearance Certificate:

Their Tax Clearance Cert is a month out of date and has not been renewed according to Revenue's website facility for checking tax clearance certs online.

http://www.water.ie/docs/IrishWater-TaxClearanceCertificateNovember2013.pdf

ROCKMAN · 14-11-2014 02:35PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

What about ?

SF with Mary Lou in charge
or
FG with Varadkar in charge

Which would people see working ?

Wurly · 14-11-2014 02:58PM

I agree with metered water charges

This is all starting to get out of hand.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=740311859396159&set=vb.100002520564059&type=2&theater

I feel sorry for the owner of the house. I also feel sorry for the workers who are just doing as they have been instructed. One is as scared as the other, just in different ways.

Neither are the problem.

The government are. They are the one and only enemy of this whole fiasco.

DamagedTrax · 14-11-2014 03:08PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

This is all starting to get out of hand.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...type=2&theater

I feel sorry for the owner of the house. I also feel sorry for the workers who are just doing as they have been instructed. One is as scared as the other, just in different ways.

Neither are the problem.

The government are. They are the one and only enemy of this whole fiasco.

i dont have a problem with people doing their jobs but im not sure their job description involves physical engagement with the public.

why is it they dont just walk away to the next house? seems like a needless 'safety in the workplace' issue that could be avoided by just walking away.

Tarzana2 · 14-11-2014 03:08PM

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

tayto lover wrote: »

Of course they did and they got all the grants going too I'd bet.

My parents aren't farmers. What grants would they get?

Why do people assume that those living the countryside are just entitled to loads of grants even if they're not involved in farming?

I got the education grant some of the years I attended college, not all. It depended on their yearly income which fluctuated greatly. Some years we had very little money and those years I got a grant, others we had a lot more and those years, I didn't.

Some anti-IW posters on this thread don't help themselves much with their massive gaps in logic.

Stargate · 14-11-2014 03:10PM

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Wurly wrote: »

This is all starting to get out of hand.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=740311859396159&set=vb.100002520564059&type=2&theater

I feel sorry for the owner of the house. I also feel sorry for the workers who are just doing as they have been instructed. One is as scared as the other, just in different ways.

Neither are the problem.

The government are. They are the one and only enemy of this whole fiasco.

When that can happen in a democratic country there is a problem with the law of the land .

What about the rights of Irish citizens eh?

Disgraceful .

14-11-2014 03:13PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

DamagedTrax wrote: »

why is it they dont just walk away to the next house? seems like a needless 'safety in the workplace' issue that could be avoided by just walking away.

I would imagine the job was well under way before the camera started rolling. I feel for those poor workers having to put up with this type of intimidation.

Wurly · 14-11-2014 03:15PM

I agree with metered water charges

DamagedTrax wrote: »

why is it they dont just walk away to the next house? seems like a needless 'safety in the workplace' issue that could be avoided by just walking away.

True. If you were an IW employee, you would be gearing yourself up for work every morning, knowing that the public will be gunning for your blood. So I think some workers are beginning to act more aggressive due to this.

It's sad. This is what the government wants. Us fighting amongst each other. All the while, they find more and more ways to exploit us.

Again, neither side are the problem. The greedy idiots in government are.

DamagedTrax · 14-11-2014 03:16PM

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Deleted User wrote: »

I would imagine the job was well under way before the camera started rolling. I feel for those poor workers having to put up with this type of intimidation.

they were trespassing on private property. the man had every right to remove them. i didnt see him take it any further, so unless you're seeing something in it that i missed, im not too sure how he was intimidating them?

also, i just laughed at the idea of that lad intimadating those 4/5 IW employees. they didnt look too intimidated, especially the fella with the beard. he was rearin to go.

tayto lover · 14-11-2014 03:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I would imagine the job was well under way before the camera started rolling. I feel for those poor workers having to put up with this type of intimidation.

I don't believe they are allowed enter private property in fairness.
If he doesn't want them there they have to leave surely.
His rights were infringed.

14-11-2014 03:19PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

DamagedTrax wrote: »

they were trespassing on private property. the man had every right to remove them. i didnt see him take it any further, so unless you're seeing something in it that i missed, im not too sure how he was intimidating them?

But were they? They had their barriers up against the gate. The householder opened the gates and tried to remove the barriers and the workers overbalanced onto the property. The worker was trying his best to keep the barrier in place OUTSIDE the gate, but was deterred by the violence shown by the householder.

ROCKMAN · 14-11-2014 03:19PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Wurly wrote: »

This is all starting to get out of hand.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=740311859396159&set=vb.100002520564059&type=2&theater

I feel sorry for the owner of the house. I also feel sorry for the workers who are just doing as they have been instructed. One is as scared as the other, just in different ways.

Neither are the problem.

The government are. They are the one and only enemy of this whole fiasco.

OK i'll be a bit bias here
but What I see is one man trying to close his front gate and protect his property and a very aggressive worker who actually makes treating gestures towards the home owner. yes he pushes him back put what other option did he have.

The water worker is a disgrace acting like that. IMHO.

tayto lover · 14-11-2014 03:20PM

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i dont have a problem with people doing their jobs but im not sure their job description involves physical engagement with the public.

why is it they dont just walk away to the next house? seems like a needless 'safety in the workplace' issue that could be avoided by just walking away.

It is obvious that they receive more money for installing more meters.

DamagedTrax · 14-11-2014 03:21PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

But were they? They had their barriers up against the gate. The householder opened the gates and tried to remove the barriers and the workers overbalanced onto the property. The worker was trying his best to keep the barrier in place OUTSIDE the gate, but was deterred by the violence shown by the householder.

im guessing the view is a little different up in that ivory tower of yours, isnt it?

and turning a jet cleaner (or whatever that was) on the old lad was well out of line. and ill tell you what, if he'd done that to my dad, i'd make sure he left with it jammed up his hole.

ROCKMAN · 14-11-2014 03:23PM

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Deleted User wrote: »

But were they? They had their barriers up against the gate. The householder opened the gates and tried to remove the barriers and the workers overbalanced onto the property. The worker was trying his best to keep the barrier in place OUTSIDE the gate, but was deterred by the violence shown by the householder.

bull the gates where angled in ,,on to his property. He try to close the gates first and in fact he made a few attempts to move gates before he tried to move barriers out of the way.

But I suppose it depends on which red tainted glasses we are watching with .

hju6 · 14-11-2014 03:24PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

But were they? They had their barriers up against the gate. The householder opened the gates and tried to remove the barriers and the workers overbalanced onto the property. The worker was trying his best to keep the barrier in place OUTSIDE the gate, but was deterred by the violence shown by the householder.

If the barriers were up against the gates then they were in the mans property

Also those thugs of workers attacked the man with a high pressure jet of water to his nuts, over the top violence by traitorous thugs.

VinLieger · 14-11-2014 03:25PM

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

tayto lover wrote: »

It is obvious that they receive more money for installing more meters.

LOL they don't get commission they are paid by the hour

Tinkersbell · 14-11-2014 03:25PM

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Deleted User wrote: »

I would imagine the job was well under way before the camera started rolling. I feel for those poor workers having to put up with this type of intimidation.

What intimidation?
2 IW workers were trespassing on that mans property, indeed they were forcing entry, it's right there on the camera.
If it was my property they wouldn't have just got a shove, I can guarantee you that.

tayto lover · 14-11-2014 03:26PM

VinLieger wrote: »

LOL they don't get commission they are paid by the hour

So explain why they entered private property then and assaulted the homeowner?

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