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Is feminism a dirty word?

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  • #782
    RobYourBuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    that video of your woman walking 10 hours.



    They should all move to Riga!


  • #783
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    Just look at any feminist video or blogger on the net... especially after the whole "GamerGate" thing, and that video of your woman walking 10 hours.

    Ok, so if I looked at a masculinist video or blog on the net, do you reckon that would sum up what all men think of women?


  • #784
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Ok, so if I looked at a masculinist video or blog on the net, do you reckon that would sum up what all men think of women?

    You got selective reading issues - my very first post I said "a lot of", of which my criticism falls on those... at what part does that imply "all" ?


  • #785
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    You got reading issues - my very first post I said "a lot of"... at what part does that imply "all" ?

    Nope, I read just fine, but I'll amend it for you. If I looked at a masculinist video or blog on the net, do you reckon that would sum up what most men think of women?

    You made a statement that most feminists want to void men of their rights and view them as potential rapists - I asked you for an example and you told me to watch a few videos and read a few blogs, but I'm still none the wiser as to how you came to the conclusion that most feminists do any of these things.

    When you make broad, sweeping generalisations like that, you really should back it up with the evidence that such a generalisation is true, so it doesn't look so much like a stone throwing exercise.


  • #786
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Hmmm...what rights are the average feminist trying to take away from men?

    The rights to freedom of speech and freedom of the press come immediately to mind.


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  • #787
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Oh? Most feminists want to curtail men's freedom of speech? In what sense?


  • #788
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Oh? Most feminists want to curtail men's freedom of speech? In what sense?
    Ehh I don't believe most are but their is definitely a problem in media where men's rights aren't acknowledged at all (any protest any father's group does is giving the minimal amount of coverage). Not saying that is the fault of every single feminist but their is definitely an unwillingness to discuss the issues men face. That's something feminist, MRA's and egalitarians need to come together to sort out.


  • #789
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    mrkiscool2 wrote: »
    Ehh I don't believe most are but their is definitely a problem in media where men's rights aren't acknowledged at all (any protest any father's group does is giving the minimal amount of coverage). Not saying that is the fault of every single feminist but their is definitely an unwillingness to discuss the issues men face. That's something feminist, MRA's and egalitarians need to come together to sort out.

    I agree that certain men's issues don't get enough coverage (father's rights, suicide etc.), but I'm failing to understand how this is the fault of feminists per se or how it can be perceived as some feminist conspiracy to take away men's freedom of speech. That's a huge leap in logic.


  • #790
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Hmmm...what rights are the average feminist trying to take away from men?
    What do you consider the average feminist to be?


  • #791
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    dark crystal wrote: »
    I agree that certain men's issues don't get enough coverage (father's rights, suicide etc.), but I'm failing to understand how this is the fault of feminists per se or how it can be perceived as some feminist conspiracy to take away men's freedom of speech. That's a huge leap in logic.
    I agree to an extent but why would men's issues not be covered if it wasn't for the fact feminism is almost engrained in our society? Again, not saying that is the fault of feminism or feminists it's all to blame with the media but the media do follow (to a certain extent) societies views and norms.


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  • #792
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Oh? Most feminists want to curtail men's freedom of speech? In what sense?

    Among the high profile feminists campaigns and incidents which come to mind over the last few years,
    • Ban "Lads Mags"
    • Ban Page Three
    • Ban "Blurred Lines"
    • Attack Dr Phil for posing a genuine question about whether drunk sex is always rape
    • Have "offensive" t-shirts removed from the shelves of Topman
    • Call on Facebook to moderate "offensive" pages
    • Attack Marissa Meyers for doing a fashion photoshoot on "setting women back" grounds
    • Call on Taylor Swift not to write "unempowering" songs

    Want any more? I can provide links and references for all of the above if you like. A very large, vocal and influential segment of the feminist movement wants to impose constraints on what is "acceptable" speech. If that wasn't bad enough, it's always one sided (where was the Topman campaign when "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them" was a craze?) but even if it wasn't, IMO it would still be insidious.


  • #793
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Among the high profile feminists campaigns and incidents which come to mind over the last few years,
    • Ban "Lads Mags"

    Were they banned? I suspect that campaign was more about the objectifying of woman via half-naked photos, rather than an attack on free speech. Talking of equality, where are all the similar publications for women's titilation? Eh? Eh?


    • Ban Page Three

    Same as above.


    • Ban "Blurred Lines"

    I think that was just one college campus or something like that. Bit hypersensitive on their part alright, but again, that campaign came to nothing. It was a massive hit and lots of women bought it. The video was slightly creepy, though.



    • Attack Dr Phil for posing a genuine question about whether drunk sex is always rape

    Without knowing the context of what he said, it's a valid point. Rape victims are often put off testifying because the prosecution will inevitably say they were too drunk to remember giving consent and that it was their own fault. Ched Evans' victim can probably relate to that.


    • Have "offensive" t-shirts removed from the shelves of Topman

    What did the t-shirts say?


    • Call on Facebook to moderate "offensive" pages

    Such as?


    • Attack Marissa Meyers for doing a fashion photoshoot on "setting women back" grounds

    Again, don't know the context of this one. Is Marissa Meyers a woman?


    • Call on Taylor Swift not to write "unempowering" songs

    Have no idea what this one's about. I thought Taylor Swift just wrote songs about break ups and sleepovers or something. Did she stop writing unempowering songs because of this 'campaign'? She's hugely popular amongst females, isn't she?

    Want any more? I can provide links and references for all of the above if you like. A very large, vocal and influential segment of the feminist movement wants to impose constraints on what is "acceptable" speech. If that wasn't bad enough, it's always one sided (where was the Topman campaign when "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them" was a craze?) but even if it wasn't, IMO it would still be insidious.

    I honestly wouldn't call this a large and influential segment of feminists at all. Most of these 'campaigns' amounted to nothing and didn't get much publicity outside certain sections of the web (I hadn't heard about a good few of them).
    Most women have enough common sense to make up their own minds about certain issues and aren't swayed by the opinions of others. I'm just not seeing how men's free speech has been taken away by any of these incidents.


  • #794
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    dark crystal wrote: »
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    Were they banned? I suspect that campaign was more about the objectifying of woman via half-naked photos, rather than an attack on free speech.

    In other words, suggesting that such objectification should be banned - on other words, attacking free speech. :p
    Talking of equality, where are all the similar publications for women's titilation? Eh? Eh?

    Either there's no market for them, or nobody has bothered to invest in it. Might just do that myself and discover if there is indeed an unexplored niche. However, I'd argue that a lot of women's magazines are filled to the brim with sexist drivel against men, never seen a campaign to ban those ;)


    Same as above.

    Same to yourself ;)


    I think that was just one college campus or something like that.

    It has been many, the campaign against this song has been widespread.
    Bit hypersensitive on their part alright, but again, that campaign came to nothing. It was a massive hit and lots of women bought it. The video was slightly creepy, though.

    It succeeded in several of the college campuses in question and it also succeeded in getting a DJ banned from returning to a venue he had performed at - progress! :rolleyes:

    Without knowing the context of what he said, it's a valid point. Rape victims are often put off testifying because the prosecution will inevitably say they were too drunk to remember giving consent and that it was their own fault. Ched Evans' victim can probably relate to that.

    He was referring to the idea that no sex while drunk can be consensual and calling out its ridiculousness.
    What did the t-shirts say?

    I don't know and it's irrelevant, trying to get things banned is trying to get things banned and seems to be a staple of modern feminism.
    Such as?

    Same as above. I've seen a great many Facebook memes and pages offensive to men, but I'd never call for them to be deleted because I respect people's right to air opinions that I don't like.
    Again, don't know the context of this one. Is Marissa Meyers a woman?

    She is indeed, she's the CEO of Yahoo (web search engine and service provider).
    Have no idea what this one's about. I thought Taylor Swift just wrote songs about break ups and sleepovers or something. Did she stop writing unempowering songs because of this 'campaign'?

    She did not, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of feminist writers condemned her for writing them and asked her to "think of the children" or some such BS.
    She's hugely popular amongst females, isn't she?

    Female =/= feminist.

    I honestly wouldn't call this a large and influential segment of feminists at all. Most of these 'campaigns' amounted to nothing and didn't get much publicity outside certain sections of the web (I hadn't heard about a good few of them).
    Most women have enough common sense to make up their own minds about certain issues and aren't swayed by the opinions of others. I'm just not seeing how men's free speech has been taken away by any of these incidents.

    I never said it had been (nor did I ever suggest it was only mens' free speech that was being targeted, far far from it) but the fact that so many groups identifying as feminist call for such restrictions is enough to turn me off the label completely.

    Take a look at this:
    http://online.wsj.com/articles/no-offense-the-new-threats-to-free-speech-1414783663

    And also this:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/26/banning-peoples-views-even-internet-trolls-is-wrong


  • #795
    Putins Future Assassin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 ✭Putins Future Assassin


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Ok, so if I looked at a masculinist video or blog on the net, do you reckon that would sum up what all men think of women?

    He was speaking about feminists, not women.


  • #796
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    What do you consider the average feminist to be?

    Good question!

    I'd consider the average feminist to be a woman who is concerned more about how policies affect her daily life, rather than wanting to ban pop songs, t-shirts and topless pictures in The Sun. She doesn't spend her days writing hate filled blogs on the web and plotting the downfall of men.

    She would like affordable childcare and equal maternity and paternity leave so that she wouldn't be the only parent having to sacrafice her career (and her paypacket) when starting a family. She'd like the option of accessing safe abortion services if she ever falls pregnant and doesn't feel ready or able to carry and raise that child. Things like that.


  • #797
    smoking_kills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 488 ✭✭smoking_kills


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Good question!

    I'd consider the average feminist to be a woman who is concerned more about how policies affect her daily life, rather than wanting to ban pop songs, t-shirts and topless pictures in The Sun. She doesn't spend her days writing hate filled blogs on the web and plotting the downfall of men.

    She would like affordable childcare and equal maternity and paternity leave so that she wouldn't be the only parent having to sacrafice her career (and her paypacket) when starting a family. She'd like the option of accessing safe abortion services if she ever falls pregnant and doesn't feel ready or able to carry and raise that child. Things like that.



    Yeah, and if all feminists were like you, it would not have a bad name. Unfortunately the term has been overtaken by gender zealots. And perfectly reasonable voices like yours are now drown out.


  • #798
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    smoking_kills wrote: »
    Yeah, and if all feminists were like you, it would not have a bad name. Unfortunately the term has been overtaken by gender zealots. And perfectly reasonable voices like yours are now drown out.

    I'd argue most feminists are like me and the extreme ones are the ones being used as a stick to tar us all with.

    That's why generalisations like 'most feminists hate men/think they're all rapists/want to silence them and take away their rights' do nothing but create gender wars where there doesn't need to be any. Ignore the few extremists and think logically about the women you know and how many of them believe in or agree with the more extreme factions of the feminist movement.

    I have a son and I plan to bring him up with a healthy respect for himself and for women. I'd hate for him to carry a chip on his shoulder about women into his adult years, just because he watched some extremist ranting on about how men are the enemy and how they should be exterminated. Hopefully he'll have enough cop on to know those people are the exception and not the rule.


  • #799
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Good question!

    I'd consider the average feminist to be a woman who is concerned more about how policies affect her daily life, rather than wanting to ban pop songs, t-shirts and topless pictures in The Sun. She doesn't spend her days writing hate filled blogs on the web and plotting the downfall of men.

    She would like affordable childcare and equal maternity and paternity leave so that she wouldn't be the only parent having to sacrafice her career (and her paypacket) when starting a family. She'd like the option of accessing safe abortion services if she ever falls pregnant and doesn't feel ready or able to carry and raise that child. Things like that.

    I think most of us agree with the policies outlined in your second paragraph.
    Would you accept that there is a gulf between your definition of feminism, and the kind of thing written and/or spoken about by feminist "icons" such as Germaine Greer and Harriet Harmen? (For example, Germaine Greer's recent unprovoked assault on Kate Middleton's lifestyle choices in the Independent, and Harriet Harmen's belief that the courts should discriminate based on gender when passing sentence on criminals)
    Would you accept that when high profile and frequently revered (by feminists) people are making such statements, it's a little difficult to dismiss them as merely the views of "fringe extremists"?


  • #800
    Dark Phoenix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Dark Phoenix


    I dont know a huge amount about what feminism originally meant, what it means now or what it is meant to stand for.

    I do believe in gender equality and I do not think feminism is the same thing.

    I am sick and tired of every womans magazine waffling on about feminism in a bid to lure me in to buy them.

    I am really sick of certain women thinking that the rest of us should dress conservatively just so that we dont 'set back' the cause. if a woman wants to show herself off, fair play. If she doesnt, fair play. The only person setting anyone else back are these self proclaimed feminists putting down other women


  • #801
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Ignore the few extremists...

    Honestly I wish I could.
    But they're the ones creating policies that are impinging on men's rights.

    Look at gender quotas in politics for example.
    I've yet to see a poll showing strong public support for this, but the policy still got implemented, even after several women TDs criticised the measure.

    If the average feminist you described above was the driving force behind feminism and was in control of policy creation, then I would have no problem with it.


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  • #802
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Good question!

    I'd consider the average feminist to be a woman who is concerned more about how policies affect her daily life, rather than wanting to ban pop songs, t-shirts and topless pictures in The Sun. She doesn't spend her days writing hate filled blogs on the web and plotting the downfall of men.

    She would like affordable childcare and equal maternity and paternity leave so that she wouldn't be the only parent having to sacrafice her career (and her paypacket) when starting a family. She'd like the option of accessing safe abortion services if she ever falls pregnant and doesn't feel ready or able to carry and raise that child. Things like that.

    Short post, have longer one half written but those are All pretty laudable goals, question though, why is there an active feminist movement in countries like Sweden where all these things have been achieved if thats what feminism is about?


  • #803
    masculinist
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I think most of us agree with the policies outlined in your second paragraph.
    Would you accept that there is a gulf between your definition of feminism, and the kind of thing written and/or spoken about by feminist "icons" such as Germaine Greer and Harriet Harmen? (For example, Germaine Greer's recent unprovoked assault on Kate Middleton's lifestyle choices in the Independent, and Harriet Harmen's belief that the courts should discriminate based on gender when passing sentence on criminals)
    Would you accept that when high profile and frequently revered (by feminists) people are making such statements, it's a little difficult to dismiss them as merely the views of "fringe extremists"?

    If a man came out with Chauvinist sexist views like Harmans [or express the views many mainstream feminists have] , he would be forced to resign or sacked in disgrace. However when feminists do nothing happens to them. This is yet another double standard. It seems that men have joined the modern world over the past few decades but feminists didnt get the memo.


  • #804
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    dark crystal wrote: »
    I'd consider the average feminist to be a woman who is concerned more about how policies affect her daily life, rather than wanting to ban pop songs, t-shirts and topless pictures in The Sun. She doesn't spend her days writing hate filled blogs on the web and plotting the downfall of men.

    She would like affordable childcare and equal maternity and paternity leave so that she wouldn't be the only parent having to sacrafice her career (and her paypacket) when starting a family. She'd like the option of accessing safe abortion services if she ever falls pregnant and doesn't feel ready or able to carry and raise that child. Things like that.

    I see nothing there that isn't also a mens issue. If one partner sacrifices his or her paypacket it affects the whole family unit. In modern family units, the men also mind their kids and take great pleasure in getting to know their little ones. If resources arent pooled sufficiently that the whole family has the same standard of living then this is where divorce comes in handy.
    Single fathers do exist too who need affordable childcare however even getting access to or shared custody of their kids can be impossible. Frequently they only have custody because of the death of a spouse.
    And your last point about abortion also raises an important issue. Women can take contraception, have coils ,IUDs,morning after pills, plan B pills ,abortion pills, can go for an abortion etc . They can put a child up for adoption too. They have 100% control over whether they wish to become a parent. However a man has no control over whether he wants to become a parent apart from a condom or a vasectomy. But once conception happens, all control is then the females. Men should have the right to walk away from this if they did not agree to cause a pregnancy in the first place. A woman must take responsibility for all of her adult decisions. Frequently the only response to this is to bring up womens ''emotions'' . Emotions at having and emotions at not having a child. All while ignoring a mans emotions of e.g ''crap I just became bankrupt, tied down and emotionally messed up with a connection to a stranger for the rest of my life'' Both sides have their emotions but only one side has control. If a woman has a child without the permission of the father in a world where they have so many fertility options, then she should be in law no different from someone who accessed a sperm bank.
    Feminism is redundant therefore in order to justify itself it has become more and more lunatic and irrelevant. The only movement with any long term justification is an egalitarian one. Without egalitarianism, any organization with such a narrow focus around its own gender exclusivity is going to be pushing policies which exclude men and everyone else. And thats exactly whats been happening.


  • #805
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ^ I implore you to use paragraphs when submitting large posts, if you were using an ancient phone you'd understand ;)


  • #806
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    ^ I implore you to use paragraphs when submitting large posts, if you were using an ancient phone you'd understand ;)

    I thought I had a few paragraphs up there. As it happens I am usually posting with a phone. Now I'll have to double check my posts made with the phone and compare to laptop :mad::o


  • #807
    hatrickpatrick
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    Dark Crystal, see this thread for an example of the strong anti free speech element within feminism:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057326930


  • #808
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Dark Crystal, see this thread for an example of the strong anti free speech element within feminism:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057326930

    *Sigh*

    One dumb clickbait article does not represent all feminists. Really, this has been covered numerous times now. The vast majority of feminists couldn't give two hairy hoots about the shirt on this guy's back.

    Enough gender war bullshit now please AH!!

    A verse of Kumbaya anyone?


  • #809
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    dark crystal wrote: »
    *Sigh*

    One dumb clickbait article does not represent all feminists.


    Are you aware of what is happening on American campuses to young males right now ? They are getting their reputations and future careers ruined.

    To date: no feminist organization has lobbied against "Yes Means Yes", but has in fact lobbied -for- it, in spite of the fact that it codifies into law on college campuses a preponderance of evidence standard which enables allegations leveled at students to be denied their civil liberties and kicked off campus. The same way Judith Grossman's son was. [I can tell you about her and her son if you dont know anything.]
    One cannot openly lobby and support laws which violate the civil liberties of men, without omitting to have a hostility and or hatred for men. If feminists who you claim to speak for, as your rhetoric says, are for equality in spite of gender: they would instead have been protesting the codification of such an gender biased law instead of campaigning for it.
    This is mainstream stuff enshrined into mainstream law and mainstream policies. If universities dont behave like this towards male students then their federal funding is at risk of being cut. This is the mainstream. They have to behave like this to get funded. This isnt extremists. If it was extremists then it would not be happening. It is the duty of every woman who cares about egalitarianism and about the future of male female relations to get off their arses and do something about this - to exclude the nutjobs and to do so very vocally.

    I care about this as an egalitarian. I find it strange someone cares about an issue ''as a feminist'' instead of as a human being . I also care about this because what happens abroad in other English speaking countries usually has its influence felt here eventually and I find it disgusting and abhorrent.



    edit* let me just add in this article by Judith Grossman ..

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324600704578405280211043510

    I strongly recommend everyone read this article above. There is so much worth quoting I could quote it all


  • #810
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    masculinist wrote: »
    Are you aware of what is happening on American campuses to young males right now ? They are getting their reputations and future careers ruined.

    To date: no feminist organization has lobbied against "Yes Means Yes", but has in fact lobbied -for- it, in spite of the fact that it codifies into law on college campuses a preponderance of evidence standard which enables allegations leveled at students to be denied their civil liberties and kicked off campus. The same way Judith Grossman's son was. [I can tell you about her and her son if you dont know anything.]
    One cannot openly lobby and support laws which violate the civil liberties of men, without omitting to have a hostility and or hatred for men. If feminists who you claim to speak for, as your rhetoric says, are for equality in spite of gender: they would instead have been protesting the codification of such an gender biased law instead of campaigning for it.
    This is mainstream stuff enshrined into mainstream law and mainstream policies. If universities dont behave like this towards male students then their federal funding is at risk of being cut. This is the mainstream. They have to behave like this to get funded. This isnt extremists. If it was extremists then it would not be happening. It is the duty of every woman who cares about egalitarianism and about the future of male female relations to get off their arses and do something about this - to exclude the nutjobs and to do so very vocally.

    I care about this as an egalitarian. I find it strange someone cares about an issue ''as a feminist'' instead of as a human being . I also care about this because what happens abroad in other English speaking countries usually has its influence felt here eventually and I find it disgusting and abhorrent.



    edit* let me just add in this article by Judith Grossman ..

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324600704578405280211043510

    I strongly recommend everyone read this article above. There is so much worth quoting I could quote it all

    Firstly, I never claimed to speak for all feminists. Get that straight.

    Secondly, you have a clear agenda, one in which I have no interest in getting drawn in to, as it would be akin to banging my head repeatedly off a brick wall.

    This subject will never be resolved to your satisfaction because you tar people with brushes so thick, you can't see anything past that tar. So, best of luck with your crusade against the tyrannies of feminism, because frankly my dear, I couldn't give a damn.


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  • #811
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Firstly, I never claimed to speak for all feminists. Get that straight.

    I am sorry but when you wrote
    dark crystal wrote: »
    all feminists

    and
    dark crystal wrote: »
    The vast majority of feminists

    I assumed you had some sort of educated opinion about all feminists and the vast majority of feminists.

    Now since I showed you what mainstream feminism has done in mainstream legislation, you have distanced yourself from ''all feminists'' so we now have some progress.

    dark crystal wrote: »
    Secondly, you have a clear agenda, one in which I have no interest in getting drawn in to, as it would be akin to banging my head repeatedly off a brick wall.

    My agenda is one of egalitarianism. Egalitarianism without any drama satisfies me. Why do you think that is wrong ? Only someone who is both a feminist and believes at the same time that feminism is about supremacy instead of equality should be threatened by any of my posts or think them wrong. Therefore if you are an egalitarian like me there is zero reason for you to avoid me. If you avoid a dialogue then this is very sad. I believe we should cherish all the children both male and female equally. I showed you some proof of injustice we should be concerned about. What exactly is wrong with that ? Nobody is going to bring back the gender roles of the 1850s. This is 2014. Are you not concerned about the injustice being done in the name of mainstream feminism ? You have not even tried once to speak with me so I find your closed mindedness confusing.

    dark crystal wrote: »
    This subject will never be resolved to your satisfaction because you tar people with brushes so thick, you can't see anything past that tar. So, best of luck with your crusade against the tyrannies of feminism, because frankly my dear, I couldn't give a damn.

    How did I tar anyone ? I am here to discuss the subject defined by the title of the thread. Have I not done this ? Why are you running away from this and throwing your toys out of the pram ? I have an open mind. Do you not have the same ?I am not here to suppress, oppress or humiliate you. That would not be in line with my egalitarian goals. In fact it would be counterproductive. I am here for a discussion. May I have one please ?


    I know where I stand when the votes are cast. I stand for egalitarianism. civic , social and political equality for everyone. Thats where I stand. What more do you want from me ? Are we not allowed debate the small details such as asking what the hell happened to feminism which once was valid and stood for something but now is hijacked by nutters who have been so persistent that they are creating the modern mainstream views of feminism Something I proved to you in my previous post. If you cant disprove it and are unhappy with it then you have the choice of combatting it and making it history but you cant blame me for it. I have done no wrong.


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