Cork GAA Discussion Thread

I heard that the footballers had some kind of a training session in Mallow on sunday morning ....does anyone have any info ? new players etc....

Club all stars

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/11/10/cork-club-hurling-and-football-all-stars-announced/

Patrick Kelly and Daniel Kearney players of the year

Reardens 2014 team year
I think it is a great idea imo
Tough job for journalists
My team I'd pick hurling

Hickey glen They I think will go Kennedy as goal keeper

Defenders
David doolin minor cork sub v limerick superb debut year
Cadogan options slim at full back
Mcdonnell

I think they will pick will kearney, cadogan, Mcdonnell

Half backs
Eanna martin sarsfields
Brian moylan glen
Colm Lucey Douglas

I think gardiner, Ryan martin may get it

Midfield
Kearney sarsfields
Donal cronin glen
I think they both get it

Half forwards
Darren mccarthy
Padraig gould 25 now worth a look again coaching Ag mhuire u14 doing well I believe

Mark collins I'd give him not cork though better ahead him copper, harnedy etc

They may go mccarthy, Cian mac(scoreless play county final imo doesnt deserve it)
Collins

Full forward
First all they deserve huge credit not picking on reputation on pat horgan. Didn't nominated him on performance. good call. Credit due

Alan cadogan Douglas
Brian corry ballymartle
Mark o connor Douglas
They could go cadogan corry Tadhg og Murphy

Hurler year imo kearney, Eoin Cadogan get it imo though

Football my team

Gk martin Nemo
Lordan Ballincollig get it

Defenders

Ray Carey clyda
Shananan carbery
Galvin Ballincollig

Feel they may go that line

Half backs
Connor sullivan clyda
Steve o donoughue Ballincollig
Cian Kiely Ballincollig

They go hodnett carbery
O donoughue
Kiely

Midfield
Sean kiely Ballincollig
fitzpatrick carbery

Kissane get it with kiely I'd think they go with imo

Kissane had superb year but played in system I feel fitzpatrick better slightly individual and had titanic battle with kiely in the county final

Half forward
John o rourke carbery
Paddy Kelly Ballincollig
Miskella Ballincollig

They go with George durrant Ballincollig
Kelly Ballincollig
O rourke

Full forward
Cian dorgan Ballincollig
James masters Nemo
Sam oakes bishopstown

They go with dorgan
John Hayes carbery
Oakes

Hayes shouldn't get it as after 20 minutes county final poor imo man seven years inter county senior experience I expect more Cork biggest club game year.
I'm sorry now but reputation is nothing, on the day was poor
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Club player year paddy Kelly
He will get it
Performed every single game and unlike john Hayes performed biggest game year need was greatest
A certainty will get it be like Brian Whelan ommission all star if over looked imo.
This is imo a certainty he will win it. Nobody deserves it more imo
A superb footballer that everbody cork agrees well maybee not everbody judging by this year.

I think reardens, journalists, etc deserve immense Credit for this great competition and credit where due Echo gave it great coverage tonight

Tough calls in some positions.

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End of my post.

I got the hurling team i thought they would pick 12 0f 15, buckley, moylan and brosan ones I got wrong
And I thought cadogan get hurling of year, glad he didn't kearney deserved it



In football team of who I thought they pick I got nine and player of year in Kelly.
Jennimgs, ciaran sullivan, Seamus Hayes, Miskella, conor sullivan, fitzpatrick I didn't think it they pick

Hurling overall awards I'd be happy with, I'd given doolin one but kearney was always in line.
Kennedy in goal I don't rate highly as yesterday was poor but its picked on cork form so see why picked but hickey for me.

Half back line very happy with it martin and moylan.
Personally ray Ryan not my choice
Midfield bang on excellent choice.

Half forward line
Darren mccarthy well deserved
Cian mac I wouldn't have, scoreless in a county final not up to my standards of minimum acceptance.
Dean brosan, sporadic moments of brilliance but no consistently so not for me

Alan cadogan deserved
Tadhg og Murphy, corry imo much better
Buckley is hard argue with fine year be fair.


Football
Lordan not my choice but good season be fair
Full back Shanahan , Galvin deserves it
Jennimgs is not corner back and facilitie two full backs here but it's fair call jennimgs was solid.

Half back line delighted with it, all three magnificent.


Midfield sullivan surprise uno.
Imo Kissane kiely much better
Fitzpatrick I didn't pick but he deserves it midfield was always tough to pick

Half forward line
I'm delighted with all three my choice originally

Full forward like I said I knew john Hayes get it.He's seen as a super star hughely overrated and overhyped imo.

Again for a man he's quality and experience was below my expectations wouldn't given it to him. WHAT did he do in the second half of the county final, imo very little.

Masters or oakes deserved one

Seamus Hayes good year good final deserves it on reflection.
Dorgan deserves it


Overall I'm delighted with Kelly and kearney and Watson player years and picking all star is thankless job and hard please everyone so overall pretty good selections and all involved deserves credit for the work they done in it but few calls I wouldn't agree with.
Players of the year they got right , credit due.
Kelly was an easy choice.
Kearney imo head shoulders above Eoin cadogan.


Solwhit comparing jbm and cuthbherts record as a reasonable variable dilutes your argument imo before it can even get airborne in jbm had Fred sheey avondu county 96,ted ownens training them proven experience coaches
He also had cork minors destroy good kilkenny in 95 minor


He now this term has ger cunningham , crowley and himself in 99 proven all irelands winning coaches
Kingston Brought in from ucc

Yes he made mistakes this year and you know too well I critised him for it.
However there is no better coach than jbm available to senior hurling now.That simple.

Football their is loads,in even not intercounty all irelands standard they definitely better than cuthbhert who couldn't even win junior titles ballyclough, or bishopstown
Clearly much better coach, English. Tony leahy, Steven o brien, ephie Fitzgerald, gene o driscoll all better club experience than cuthbhert

Danny cullothy who should be selector even won intermediate title Newmarket
Enlighten me please what cuthbhert won at club or any of he's wise men in selectors, sullivan, Davis,or sexton won as coaches in club,Nothing at all so imo gives me huge concerns and that's why I don't do ah give him time lark,what do you want another shambles league get relegated, destroyed in killarney that will destroy young team of talent.
Wow,Wonderful shrewd assessment, close the door when the horse is bolted.
Sorry now old chap to bust your bubble but I don't believe such nonense just like westmeath sacked Paul bealin,I believe prevention better than any cure.

As for cahalane not full back no offence but your completey wrong.
I'm rarely wrong when judging a player. Mark Ellis I was, I admit. But I'm bang on the money with most my calls.
To say I'm wrong on cahalane , nonense I watched the lad the last five years I have a deep understanding and realistic appreciation on full back imo.
Im never more right with cahalane.
I was right cadogan wasn't up to full back thank fully jbm realised this roo.


Cahalane was outstanding this year with no real hurling done and just back from injury for club and county.
He will be superb once played at full back this year.
Against tipp played out of position, when that happens I blame management not player.
If he was football he'd be superb as best half back cork club last two year.
He has weak rough aeras to iron out but good coaching would develop him just like Barry o Donovan said of walsh
In fairness none lad's in current set up clearly demonstrate any evidence they can coach and develop players like cian o Neill or fitzmaurice did with Paul Murphy and James o donoughue.
Can you give me evidence Please!??

Give him a chance. He's had one year where we're not competive but a shambles.
Bit like the titanic, ignore ice berg warnings, oui oui captain full steam ahead.
The unsinkable ship sank.
A Boeing jet against all odds landed safely on the river Hudson barely raising a bubble.
Difference was a bad captain and a good captain.
If you are even working in Mcdonalds you have probation six months, you fail some duties your out.
Cork football doesn't do reviews.
You must realise if cork are in huge decline next year from what was in cubby words. Golden ticket wille wonka fsctory could just be seen as poisoned chalice in no body be enthusiastic take them over if untold damage is done, I mean a top top manager.

People are critical on cuthbhertwith valid cause simply as he's no proven record,team of management no proven expierence, has had two players choose hurling over football , one left panel this year.,dinneen may not commit, didn't play colm o neills v kerry.,dropped best club player cork paddy Kelly,made ridiculous comments v mayo bout ref and morale camp very low,many more examples poor management and you say don't critise.
Jesus there's always a few,I'll say that.


Jbm made mistakes v tipp but least him crowley have proven success but also panel Is united so you don't have to be a rocket scientist or mastermind to realise jbm has more confidence from fans than the football
Just look at recall cussen, season hasn't started, recall Kevin canty. Can you not see, these are poor reflection of he's judgement on players,we're going backwards rather than forward.

Cussen again when the need was greatest did not do it yesterday in Kilmallock, how will he do v kerry in killarney, yet you say oh dare not critise, give him time, let another year waste away cork football, judge then
With greatest respect, complete nonense and rubbish imo.

Kevin canty he did not rate to make final cut last year,so has he improved in year to be included.no he hasn't.
Good season with valley at intermediate but intercounty world's apart.

You fail to realise cork relegated, And poor championship could do untold damage to cork football and young talent available.
As we go backwards kerry will continue to evolve and gap be too big to close.
Kerry were average but will be better and better next year.
I said it last year they have top coaching.
Cork are beaten before a ball is kicked with current set up imo.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/walsh-managers-ending-dual-careers-297266.html

I don't think this was the case here.
Walsh said clearly he couldn't do both after tipp. He made the call.
Cuthbhert had no say whatsoever.
Jbm didn't call halt didn't need to as knew cahalane and walsh would go hurling after shambles football.


As for Denis walsh saying he was close as manager,he's definition close I'm sorry to say does not correlate to mine.Close to me means we could have won.
Being hammered in league final, hammered by kilkenny by 11 points in 2010 , hammered by Galway by nine points in 2011, how I's that close in fairness.
The kilkenny and Galway games were over at half time. How Is that close in fairness.


What's close Denis is a one point haunting win against a with respect to Offaly a piss poor team in cork
An eight point loss to tipp not close
Now he may think a ten goal hammering of a dire laois is warranty of banks of my only lee celebratingstugf but I'm sorry cork hurling had higher targets back then.


If that's close I'd hate to see what hed call bad results.
I don't know who they think they fool with such statement's.
Clear as day cork were a shambles under walsh, he managed to make poor Waterford football team even look poorer than what they were.
Close, truth be told clearly proven by results not opinion. Cork weren't within a hundred miles of being a top four team under him not mind all ireland champions.
He's even poor manager st Catherines.
How he got cork senior job hurling with no proven record was truly truly, really appalling not
ow I'm huge fan Denis playing wise hurling and football as a player owes cork nothing and cork owe him huge thanks but as a manager he was clearly out of he's depth at senior intercounty.

It baffling imo some still to this Very day try paint picture oh we weren't that bad despite results clearly showing otherwise, these were not one point losses, these were heavy defeats and in 2011 to a poor Galway
We were haunted to beat Offaly,in what was a poor displays from cork, against a poor poor Offaly team
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Cork double a game of hurling has 15 players, one lad been tough does not constitute a valid argument rest lad's are tough, softness regards club hurling is absolutely spot on.
How many times were ray Ryan cussen out fought in scrums for the ball.
This is Kilmallock not notoriously none as king of the breakdown, Cratloe or clare senior hurling team were there heaven sweet lord above it wouldn't be a pretty sight.
There is a softness in cork club hurling but not reason we lost to tipp,fact was tactics errors and poor match up,of course martin brehony naively said cork had just a bad day at the office.
I'm not sure what he knows regards hurling but clear as day he knows very little regards cork hurling when for one example even joyce is not or never will be a senior corner back but can be a superb half back.

nice_guy80 wrote: »

what sort of footballers are being picked though for minor and U21
big athletic players who can run all day and handpass the ball with the fist
that has worked against Cork once they came up against a decent footballing team at U21 level who could also do the physical side of the game - Galway in 2013 and Roscommon in 2014

In 2014 cork were beaten by an appalling utterly appalling worst I ever seen in gaa performance by wicklow referee that would make Derek o brien of tipp, Martin Duffy look like angels nothing more nothing else

It was appalling refereeing now

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Is the next county board meeting on the 18th. ? not sure ...the last one of the year ....

Could be not sure but they can hold emergency once surely I'd imagine
Jbm said he'd have coach sorted in two weeks should be this week

First thing coach need to do watch I think on Tg4 again tonight at 1pm and meticulously watch play of cian mac and kearney, in essence they will drop cian and realise kearney is fundamentally crucial to cork next year,give one one coaching to walsh on left side hurling, and him kearney be untouchable at midfield and realise that no other sarsfields player bar sullivan deserve be cork Waterford Crystal panel even.

Horse84 wrote: »

Is it confirmed that we'll be entering a team in Waterford chrystal this year? I think it's a worthwhile exercise myself.
As regards county board meeting, I'm pretty sure I read it's tonight and landers is expected to be confirmed as senior coach and teddy mac has the u21.
All done behind closed doors, haven't a clue who the candidates were or who was on the selection committee. It's an absolute disgrace that this still goes on if u ask me.

Horse I'm sickened with 21 PROCESS yet again no one in cork delegates or media questions it

Breadandbutter wrote: »

Landers wasn't at minor sessions over weekend apparently

He met them indeed he did

The fall out from sarsfields nightmare in munster is just unbelievable but I said it would happen so I'm not surprised , blame everything bar reality imo
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A head line along like lines today Pride in sarsfields warriors
Understablly they want to put gloss it and some may say it's paper job to do so but real question imo is by not calling a spade and spade and saying club hurling in cork is in trouble their doing no favours to cork hurling.
I Say it again I like real real grassroots gaa fans hates be negative, get no joy none at all but only by realism can we truly hope to turn a corner.


Warriors, no no no no simply no.
A warrior stands up when the need was need greatest, when there is a war,these are the frontline leading the way and when the war is over their the last men standing
Sarsfields got beaten Sunday did they not.


Let's be ruthless realistic here for once second as emotional context of sarsfields loosing again has this poor old soul, heart breaking perception which is simply imo falsely innacuate and a lazy excuse to hide behind harsh truths simply weren't good enough and a greatly overhyped in cork in their own quarters, this misperception certainly are doing them no favours either by blowing hype up hugely


Fair point sarsfields chairman understanding has to back players but to say he players gave a great display and can't be faulted is incorrect.
Some did many others did not give anything near a great display in fact I could name six that were quite poor and certainly did not play well


This talk of a lack of true test being another excuse is to a degree has substance but not the way some try and perceive it to be.

The lack of true test simply was bad in it blew up sarsfields as great display v glen, I clearly said after that game was not great, yet reports and midweek analysis had it this was a superb sarsfields team performance. To put this down as the only rock they perished on imo is not correct when we examine the facts that present themselves.


IS it too much to ask these days for realistically post match assessment or is it in democracy of cork gaa harsh truths can't be said as they may rock a boat or ruffle feathers.
Of course sarsfields be upset such negativity, but if they looked at facts and changed it could be better, clyda had some harsh truths after loosing three county's Ballincollig likewise after years under achieving and they turned a corner.
When you critise a team on field play your purely critised them on that nothing else so it should be acceptable that if team looses where applicable valid critsim is given.
It's not a personal citation of a club all your doing is comparing them with best saying this is what you need to do to become better


No it was not a great sarsfields performance imo, glen were out on their feet, had nothing in the tank.
This is made out be an epic by many , it was actually a poor game standard hurling wise, six goals in some horrendous full back display both teams.
Thrilling in close game, but let's not let emotional adrenaline cloud reality.

.why don't anyone ask why a county final played the week after glen had tough match,but no cork gaa Do a cherry pick when it suits.
That game going ahead week after glen had a semi final replay shouldn't went ahead so it must not happen again

Sarsfields were great after that win people said, no mention glen being poor rather sarsfields that great.. Now they lack true test as it went through against them Sunday
All we heard talk up Wednesday I think after county final was this so called training had these lad's had peaked specially for munster learned lessons past not only going beat Kilmallock but in fact were serious challengers in munster. Yes munster.Where was this so called fitness in extra time against a tired Kilmallock Sunday??


I said they had a chance beat Kilmallock a poor team but I never believed as I said it clearly they hadn't hope winning munster simply cause I'm no god but I judge on what I see before my eyes and I saw a team with average club players mainly carried by kearney with poor poor forwards and said it clearly most scores come from frees they would struggle for scores from play.
They did, poor defending gave them two soft goals.

Tadhg og Murphy may get 4-7 in poor cork championship but time and again he has not performed in munster.
As captain, a leader did he lead Sunday against a poor Kilmallock full back line no he did not.Scoreless from play,subbed even.

This lark that sarsfields deserve credit for standing toe toe with Kilmallock in Kilmallock is imo I don't agree at all all with it.
Credit for what exactly???
Moral victory, have we moved on from that??

Moral victory I bar the odd exception despise them in sport, truly despise them just like great greats Do, in cody, fitzmaurice, o connor, Paul O connell, tony McCoy,roy keane, eammon ryan, Juliet Murphy,bridge corkery,sir Alex, ruby walsh, all blacks Castlehaven, ned English. Clyda, any team jj Doyle,Joel schmidt, dricoo , veria,riche macaw. Tim horgan,Boris Becker,steffi graff. Cusack , rock,deane , cocranan , shefflin,Michael Schumacher (best luck your recovery)Germany, Muhammad Ali, King billy Morgan,Sandie fitzgibbon both Camoige and basketball at national and international level, Christy ring (Rip)list is endless.
Celebrate failure at elite level. No no no no no no simply not acceptable imo.To say today in a paper there should be no critsim of sarsfields as they participated for 80 minutes is just imo completely incorrect and not the attitude cork huring needs imo.So is that now the pinnacle cork hurling trademarks itself on participation alone irrespective of a result is acceptable.
Fair enough some may accept it but not me or many other cork gaa fans that grew up in an era of minor,senior , 21 then vocational all irelands titles, and club all irelands in hurling residing on the banks of my own lovely lee.

If we don't critise, what do we do have a homecoming them I'm genuinely not being smart here but if it ain't black its got to be white, but a kilkenny man with me today when he read it,shook he's head disbelief, and said in kilkenny wouldn't be accepted but hard questions be asked how a team lost a very very winnable game.


Firstly an appalling decision not giving Killmallock free gave sarsfields a draw with some dubious frees allow them draw a game Imo had sarsfields had no right to draw
Also too much is being made of home advantage. Yes it's a bonus but these are not minors in fairness seasoned club team huge experience in ray Ryan. Sullivan, kearney,Martin, quigley,cussen, Cian mccarthy all senior intercounty expierence with wexford and cork, fourth time in munster yet they can't even make a final.
This was just Kilmallock hardly new Zealand in winning a rubgy match.

Saying if it was riveretown, would they Won??

What does that mean sarsfields only capable winning at home,I'm not sorry now but that's case no team deserves win munster club, if you got have home comforts.
Did newtown cry despair, they wanted all their games in cork no,in fact pairc Caoimh such journey like away trip them but they don't do excuses you see, they won in Thurles away from home also.


Again typical cork response cherry pick on factors that will give false perception of reality.
Why was Craig leahy at full back all game, question should be why was he not moved to corner where he would have been fine.


Why wasn't cian mac one point in sixty minutes NOT questioned ?FROM play
Is cork hurling now at the stage we can't question why senior intercounty player fails from play in full hour hurling against poor club team yet he expects to wear red white cork just like pat horgan in county final and v Douglas yet there immune from criticism on the field of play.
Pick and choose dare not critise order of the day, always the special available on cork menu it seems imo




Sarsfields had a chance to go ahead. Cussen missed a glorious chance late in the game, got that would least drawn.
No mention that.
Control the controllable as Paul o connell preaches, sarsfields could won this game didn't, I wanted them to win with every breath my body but I'm sorry in I don't feel sympathy for them after loosing no, as they have only themselves to blame because it was clear as day full back line in dire trouble at half time and left it as it was and their big game men bar the exception of the wonderful kearney and sullivan and martin, the rest the flattered to decive.

Did paddy loughin minor, still playing harty cup,use he's inexperienced as excuse or Gavin o mahony converted forward. Or loughin unfamiliarity as forward use it as excuse, no they went out and performed at key moments need was greatest

A lad of just 17 in school stood up need greatest but so called greats sarsfields didn't yet they are at least eight or more and counting years ahead him with senior intercounty expierence.

Sarsfields if they believe they gave it their all, they had 15 warriors, got unlucky, and could done no more then in truth the reality is they wont evolve,won't get better won't even come close munster title simply cause they don't t realise they have problems.

If I was them I would sacfrice short term gain for long term benefits.
Winning another county next year is useless imo when they will be embarrassed in munster, so need to bring a lot minor and U21 and drop older guys Murphy, Loughlin cussen, Roche. Great club servants but not at level win you munster, bring in lepold, Hackett. Doyle, Murphy etc,give them games,persists with them like newtown and rockies doing so,so in time will be serious team.


Unlike rockies sarsfields have good coach in pat Ryan to oversee rebuilding period.
Sarsfields need to have honesty within though, call a spade a spade simply didn't deserve to win Sunday if had would be destroyed by Cratloe, and have major changes to do with this team before can they can even entertain any thoughts of winning a munster title imo.

Big game rochestown in corn u mhuire tommorrow in mallow v west limerick colleges in football

Limerick school lost ist game so they need a win.

Rochestown won frewen cup ist cork school break kerry dominance earlier this year in 11years after loosing seven finals so have lot them, good young players.

Hurlers john cashman Shane kingston, carriglaine David griifin,powter,Eoin o brien,ciaran cormack And Sam collins,all very good players,could be playing, they have a strong team.
They drew with facthnas, so win here should be pole position with facthnas qualify from the group
Best luck to them tomorrow
I'm not sure if brilliant Seamus Flanagan limerick hurlers playing with west limerick colleges
He won junior hurling title weekend, been outstanding in harty cup, sister won munster medal with milford in Camoige the weekend.

Story is Alan cadogan is staying hurling
I don't see this as new imo as he was never for one moment everbody knew going to go football when he was an automatic hurler ist choice
He is not a loss to the football in he was never with them to begin with and cork have an abundance of top forwards.

Mountainlad wrote: »

No need for the Waterford jibe TTM. Obviously anybody would be disappointed by a loss, but there was very little in it. Paudie O Brien and Mahony have captained Limerick, and Mulcahy is there best forward outside of Dowling and Hannon I guess though that varies depending on the day.

Cian Mc can't get in the Cork team ahead of Bill Cooper who to be honest is average at inter county level. Conor O Sullivan fair enough, Michael Cussen you are having a laugh. I don't care if he played for Cork he was never at that level in hurling as well you know!! Ray Ryan a good club hurler, nothing more at that is reflected in his appearances for Cork.

Quigley was a good hurler but is getting on. Martin a good hurler, but at the end of the today where is the top class inter county player there? Again Daniel Kearney is decent/good inter county, probably the best Sars have but not an outstanding player either.

There is none. Cratloe have three, Thurles had three, Ballygunner didn't really bar O'Keeffe in goal. Kilmallock you've at least one, and would say Gavin O Mahony and O Brien had poor years this year but are good inter county hurlers. No shame in a narrow defeat to them in Kilmallock.

You can look at their record in previous years and say well they weren't quite good enough, but to be honest all I really ever care about myself is what happened this year and this year they were unlucky. Just saying nightmare is a huge exaggeration, and there does tend to be a bit of hyperbole in this thread.

I see Waterford and Corks hurling trends going jn very different direction at Senior level, and that is despite the fact that we are the only side in Munster to win a game at minor level every year since 2009. Maybe the stock ye place in the performance of minor teams doesn't actually bear merit when it comes to Senior.

Looking on at this thread it sounds like sour grapes more than anything, the constant jibes that kilmallock are poor, they've beaten the reigning munster champions and have a couple of senior and minor county players and very decent club hurlers, the old cork arrogance is still there, as if any cork team should be able to saunter down to limerick and dispose of them in their own back yard! And before you come back with the usual 'how many all Ireland's have limerick won?' we're aware of our record, that's why there has been Trojan work going on in limerick at underage to produce the players ...