Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1

Conditions poor enough for game after all rain recently

Midelton up by two huge breeze against them

Can win it but will imo need at least one more goal

Playing well

Figsy32

Orizio wrote: »

Na Piarsiagh have loads on the current underage panels, and after/along with Sars are the best represented club in the county on these panels.

Rockies aren't actually that good from U-14 - U-17 right now.

I'll put up a more detailed post later but I think your earlier post actually proves the point.

I'm not arguing that there's an East Cork bias, just that as they're generally in and around best, city clubs don't get a fair proportion at minor and 21.

For instance 2011 to 2013, Blackrock were absolutely head and shoulders above everyone at minor yet never had more than 3 on a panel. (I can name lads who's exclusion mystified from there and elsewhere. TTM I'm sure will also mention a personal favourite of his Niall Cashman.)

My basic point is if there's a borderline decision between a 3rd or 4th player from a city club and from somewhere else, the other guy invariably gets it.

Orizio

Figsy32 wrote: »

My basic point is if there's a borderline decision between a 3rd or 4th player from a city club and from somewhere else, the other guy invariably gets it.

And your proof of this is what exactly? Not only do you not have proof of this, you are arguing something that is completely impossible for you to prove.

I saw that Blackrock team play loads of times from Minor to U-21. Tell me who eaxctly else they should have had on the Cork Minors panels through the years? Who did the Cork Minor selectors of the time miss exactly? Niall Cashman should have been involved in 2013 but he most definitely lacks pace and isn't better than Twomey/O'Callaghan/Cormack.

Basically that Blackrock group was a solid, consistent bunch of hurlers that nonetheless was short on star quality. Alan O'Callaghan aside I would say none of those lads have inter-county potential. A couple of them, without mentioning names, weren't really inter-county standard underage.

Let me put it like this - Sars are repeatedly head and shoulders above the other clubs in the county, and yet they only have two representations on the Cork panel. Who else should they have? No one. Being the best club in the county in no way means you should be the best represented club on the inter-county panel. It never ever works like that.

Orizio

Munster P.P.S. ‏@Munsterpps 59s60 seconds ago
Dean Ryan Final Midleton 1-10 Our Ladys Templemore 0-12 (FT)

zetecescort

Orizio wrote: »

Munster P.P.S. ‏@Munsterpps 59s60 seconds ago
Dean Ryan Final Midleton 1-10 Our Ladys Templemore 0-12 (FT)

Congratulations to all involved.

thinkstoomuch1

MAGNIFICENT SEVENTH YOU F##king beauty midelton

Seventh dean ryan corks 33rd

Wonderful wonderful result cork hurling ist time retained since Colmans done it

More to come later

On the banks of own lovely lee

Great day midelton schoolall clubs involved coaches east cork but mire importantly cork hurling

Carrigtwohill second captain in row Daire Crotty follow on butty mccarthy last year
They can be proud
So so so very proud thank to tim collins alwyin kearney and all players panel

And last bit by no means least tremendous credit our ladys fine fine team and no shame loosing to this midelton group

Our lady's have makings very good harty cup team
As bono sang it truly is a beautiful day the 14th November 2014 for cork hurling

Ole ole ole!!!!!!!

One ten to a 12

Backs to wall second half warriors s brilliant defence display

Real champions die hard

Thought need another goal but defendece awesome second thirty
I always said hurling talent Is in cork.



All ireland final tommorrow two weeks they will win it
I said they win today
Harty cup is coming for school I can it smell it it that close.

zetecescort

pics of Midleton team from twitter

thinkstoomuch1

Midelton 1-10 to 12

Team same as semifinal

Ross walsh
Adam daly
Sean o leary Hayes
Ed leahy
Sean o meara
Jack mcdonnell
Rysn kenneally
Daire Crotty captain
Brendan twomey
Padraig o brien
Andy leahy
Charlie terry
Chris power
Chris keegan
Liam gosnell

Liam o shea like I said done great job as sub in preview

This games would been classic bit for heavy rain last few days
It panned out how I thought and immense Credit management getting subs spot on match up right match up pretty much as my preview turned out as I thought
As photos zetecescort showed from twitter ground you can see photo is wet

It ten times worse photo

Ross walsh varied puck outs well solid under high ball, fine game
Ed leahy was given tough game by majestic fair brother from play
I said he was class tipp hurler
He is brilliant but leahy grew I'n to game had brilliant game held him four play as good anyone done
Leahy had brilliant game against brilliant opponent.

Sean o leary Hayes made awesome catches clearance back

Adam daly tidy efficient composesd
Sean o meara had great game, mcdonnell brilliant centre back play exhibitions of centre back play and Nolan a fine player was held by awesome mcconville
Mcconville fine game
Twomey had a great shift tired conditions so replaced but had a terrific game.

Crotty so strong helped defence second half against wind like seventh defender
Captain led by example great leadership

Not day for forwards but o brien and and terry put in great hour winning dirty ball and helping midfield
Terry two brilliant points

Andy leahy didn't score but awesome game against wonderful Brian mcgrath who done all could team,and mcgrath hurled some amount ball but leahy limited he's influence, won ball and broke ball, chased everything an epic epic like I said it would be battle between two hurlers superb future

Mcgrath is class

Chris power not starter start year but today did, great old style goal ist time pull at crucial time as our lady's got two points lead and midelton needed to go ahead huge wind ist half once got goal never went behind or level they held on
That early goal huge significance
One huge point also

Keegan won lot ball and only cadell brilliant save had goal
Liam gosnell what a game impressive from frees, accurate and two from play chased and harried every ball and created so much

They never panicked and huge huge win
Mcgrath, Nolan, morrisey both Ryans,brilliant Fairbrother and o shea at midfield superb games
Shame hadn't dry ground as would bwen classic

Our lady's well coached nothing at all between teams and teams could meet ten times both win five
Midelton deserves win

Two in row, and next year just four games stand between them and only second ever team with Colmans for three in row dean's
That's for another day but next batch rice winners this year etc coming up they have every chance and few this panel eligible next year

Wonderful day cork hurling and credit to them and indeed our lady's for brilliant games does this historic magnificent competition justice.

Thank you to both teams

Well done midelton

16 hurlers, 16 warriors and 16 heroes with all panel members also deserving huge credit also and tim collins and alwuyn kearney take a bow wonderful coaches.
What day for the school and cork hurling
Let's every cork man woman child east west south, North, city etc unite and celebrate wonderful day for cork hurling and immense Credit to midelton.

Amazing breathtaking brilliant I'm lost for words to magnify wonderful win today from midelton.





Two key losses imo also regards underage that people have forget In cork hurling

Cunningham Is a loss not just in not being with senior team etc but he's gone from u15 but not just that he was like a peefromancs director in a way as he has group coaches young like noel furlong carrigtwohill and Declan Fitzgerald Buttevant Ul from fresher team that he tutoring among others
Fitzgerald has expierence but you can always learn guys like ger blue etc
Great coaching always continue to learn, they do evolution not stationery in their progress.



Furlong will still learn from role at ucc but ger loss Is huge to cork underage and remember minors had u17 for ist time under guidance so landers if leaves he's is a huge loss so huge positions to be filled in cork hurling imo.

Landers goes huge void to fill

I'd put Fitzgerald in their.
He will learn from ger cunningham Ul laois top coach, if ger has him he must rate him
Also was limerick minors coach 2005 all ireland final, had U21 in2007 also and was with drom inch this year and from Being very poor last year ran champions sarsfields to three points with fourteen men
He would seen Brian lohan,Eoin brislane etc coach at ul and Is teaching Castletroy College so knows limerick seen well what strengths are
Worked at U21 limerick with current games manager limerick noel hartigan so he would know limerick scene well and its not bad thing seen as we meet next year and will imo will meet in the semi final.

Would worked with Castletroy school harty etc down years got them to harty cup Quater Final recently so has minor, u21, college and school expierence.
Ticks boxes for me while landers huge loss he Is best to come in worked with cork U16share these guys in 2013 as selector in he familiar with cahill, looney, Darragh o brien, dunne, halloran, hennessey,smith, kingston, tim. O mahony etc

If pat mulchay wasn't available then I'd get Fitzgerald.
He's good coach and from what I hear good feedback.
Denis ring would be well aware of him having played under ring in harty cup at minor winning team at Colmans
In fact coach of limerick minors beaten by cork 2005 munster final to cork coached by ring.
He was part cork u 15 victouros set up with landers this year
Young but expierenceed.

thinkstoomuch1

As for this east cork or city blast look lad's it's cork gaa all that counts



Seven your posts bang on normally but I won't agree totally you said this time

There was time when growing up city looked down their nose at country bias they sat on their holes though regards working at underage ,barrs, glen rockies leading the way in that regard and rested laurels past glories and to be fair let's call a spade a spade some big clubs were born with silver spoon in their mouth, East cork club cloyne Killeagh, North cork ballyhea clyda, newtown, West cork carbery, etc all made break through. And forced cork teams pick them with last cork team having bout six east cork men four north cork team playing parts city had two or three, so good for cork


I could list countless east cork men north never got games city poorer hurlers rules roosr thankfully it changed


We must have city players team cork cocky swagger arrogant confidence came from them we need that combine east west north etc grit determinearion and resolve. When to not get things own way and stand tall and prevail.


No east cork bias on minor teams last two years but I agree seventh it was under age at times when for example few city lad's should start. On developments squads


Point is city imo done it for years so they can't stand on their high horse as totally inocc ent regards club favourites

Cork needs to ride imo out club bias from all angles on the horse it rode in on I have no time for it cork gaa

We must unite east, West north and south you wesr,city,etc once your wear red white your cork just like Gordon Strachan said everyone at parkhead tonight is nit celtic or rangers but represent Scotland

A county unites it's unbreakable
Cork size it gaa Is a country

Clubs are the heart soul gaa and pride passion is admirable but cork jersey is cork
A chain is only as good as strong weakest link so united cork imo is unbreakable

Nelson Mandela rip united country with great francois pienneear to win world cup and as pienarr said it's not for sixty thousands in Ellis park it'd for forty three million south Africans we won world cup


Cork gaa is about every single club no matter how big or small in cork

When I'm asked I'm always sceptical say a club as you do people dismiss you as you have view just cause don't like club

I say cork gaa my club as in truth it's bigger picture what's best cork gaa

You go down Castlehaven some don't like gene o driscoll, go kilmacaba they belive Sean dinneen is just average all because he went to haven
Go cloughduv some will say Kevin Murray just okay as went barrs left them when all are very good but club bias let's emotional context rule the day


I say anyone that has love cork gaa please please please cut this club bias crap and the only thing matters in cork is not where your from its should be based on talent alone.

As for niall cashman I have seen lots him Callaghan and mccormack since we're bout twelve playing even trials cork. And all three brilliant hurlers but cashman is better than them at least equal


Niall lacks raw pace but it'd nonense to say it he slow and anybody says that has no idea what their talking bout imo


As for john I'm huge fan but their could be close calls with minors and just cause didn't get in ie not bias, you could pick three different half back lines cork minors all do job cork next year

Niall should made cork minors two year ago yes.


Best luck mourneabbey ladies, Ballincollig it's on Tg4 live best luck Milstreet also in munster campaign this weekend and great see conor horgan cork u21 this year getting three goals ucc yesterday

Minor playing in barrs tommorrow hurlers trial game also I think and 21 football trying get game midweek also

I heard majority cork minor football panel in training very strong
And so far credit due good signs by it maybee lesson have been learned last year

By all accounts they had minor selector all corn Mhuirí games this week with credit due apparently if true donal o sullivan manager in mallow watching rochestown, long drive from Castletownvere, credit where due, take in that game
One kerry minor selector gone I think last year so may weaken kerry hardly with jack though

I hear donie buckley is indeed with kerry 21 next year.

CORKDOUBLE

TTM I think its Valley Rovers that are playing this weekend .....Millstreet out next weekend .

SchoolsFan

Cork senior hurlers are back next Tuesday night. Few new faces involved, one will be Dayne Lee from Na Piarsaigh and Gaelcholaiste Mhuire AG.

zetecescort

Archdeacon Michael O'Brien RIP.

O' Brien (Innishannon, Co. Cork): On November 14, 2014, peacefully, after a long illness bravely borne, in the loving care of Sr. Catherine and staff at Nazareth House, Mallow, VENERABLE ARCHDEACON MICHAEL G. O' BRIEN P.E., former parish priest of Carrigaline, beloved son of the late William and Nora O' Brien and dear brother of Eileen, Dermot, William and the late John, Mary and Sheila. Deeply mourned by his loving family, sisters-in-law, brother-in-law, nephews, nieces, Bishop John and his fellow priests, relatives and friends. Reception Prayers at 8.00pm on Saturday evening in St. Mary's Church, Innishannon. Reposing in St. Mary's Church, Innishannon on Sunday from 5.00pm, followed by Rosary at 7.00pm. Concelebrated Requiem Mass at 12 noon on Monday, followed by burial in the adjoining churchyard. Family flowers only. Donations, if desired, to the Alzheimer's Society of Ireland.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam dílis.

CORKDOUBLE

FR. Michael O Brien R.I.P. what a wonderfull man.....funny it was only last night i was watching a video of the double homecoming ...."Donkeys dont win derbys " will we ever forget .....next year it will be 25 years since the double ....god rest him.

thinkstoomuch1

Thanks double my apologies

All ireland final tommorrow two weeks midelton schools

Venue will be limerick claughan or Ul north campus I'd guess if it's athenry if it's wexford counsel be templemore or Cashel I'd take a guess

At this stage no one should no no body midelton fear but good counsel will pose all lot challenges like athenry would so toss coin really

Good counsel are winners in lot lad's won all ireland u16 football in may going historic double and I belive bout eight or so I'm told approx if nit mire hurling
They won Leinster u16 beating st Peters but more importantly beat Kieran and last year all ireland champions kilkenny cbs won it two years ago lost u16 all ireland final to tipp team I think it was Thurles not sure though
They have kilkenny lad's and wexford and carlow in side


They will be tough, play athenry tommorrow

Athenry won three Galway or connaught in row superb team last year and ronan hardiman is involved from last year I think awesome player superb v midelton last year in claughan

Think they have three or four team from there last year
Athenry beaten point last year but want revenge if play midelton
Who ever wins is going to be huge challenge but after today I saw heart of lions warrior braveheart, hunger wolves shine through with hurling talent on dry day that can and will go another level from midelton cbs

I felt they hadn't peaked up today and still feel more them and weather didn't help with awful ground imo

As far I'm aware Tg4 done. A final live as Last April was outside of main Croke Cup so I'm hoping they would do it live as no other games clash it then

And last year this wasn't done live but was played in February but this year schools asked final be brought forward to November
One thing is I saw no preview as far on aware in any cork main papers for today's game imo surely deserved bit profile, on game going ahead as people be aware it on
I don't doubt that echo will do it justice in great report tommorrow as they splendid coverage final win Monday after last year, immense Credit due them and john horgan I think done it,immense Credit him for what was a splendid report imo

I just felt a preview be nice imo
Like today bit bout aussie hybrid game fair enough in papers and have report tlbut midelton cbs in dean ryan surely cork gaa fans delighted read A bit on the game

I saw no preview anywhere game
If there was and I didn't see it fair enough and credit due but I didn't see one
I often read other counties these games in local papers doing bit profile game.
Profile creates interest, interest creates crowds and that's great at any hurling game.




On this great day cork hurling I'm saddened by passing great canon Michael o brien

What a wonderful gaa man, person, he was it all huge huge loss to game, and life in general but legacy will always live on
I think people here should add memories of Michael here tell us strories bout this great legend as he deserves it
Cork must continue with canon Michael o brien cup and ucc also and make these competive also as great game for hes legacy


What a coach what a man
My deepest condalosences to all he's family
May he rest in peace
Zetecescort thank you posting here this.


http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/01/18/english-the-canon-had-a-great-influence-on-my-tipp-career/


This English piece credit testament to hes greatness
I have many memories canon but all ireland winner like English really tells it brilliantly how truly great he was


What a coach ahead of hes time
8in row fitzgibbon cups ten in total, five harty cups franferris two senior all Ireland Dr Croke cups , what a coach many more success he had

thinkstoomuch1

http://m.independent.ie/sport/hurling/the-canon-a-key-contributor-to-cork-honours-list-29950697.html

Orizio

SchoolsFan wrote: »

Cork senior hurlers are back next Tuesday night. Few new faces involved, one will be Dayne Lee from Na Piarsaigh and Gaelcholaiste Mhuire AG.

Thanks for the info. Anyone else involved?

Extremely rare that a lad still playing Harty would be involved with seniors.

thinkstoomuch1

Orizio wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Anyone else involved?

Extremely rare that a lad still playing Harty would be involved with seniors.

No its not extremely rare in fact extremely recent in Michael cahalane was similar scenario last year

zetecescort

Interviews after 1990 final, the Canon speaks from 5.00 into the video

http://www.youtube.com/embed/5YKzCflfEH8?t=5m1s

Breadandbutter

Figsy32 wrote: »

I'll put up a more detailed post later but I think your earlier post actually proves the point.

I'm not arguing that there's an East Cork bias, just that as they're generally in and around best, city clubs don't get a fair proportion at minor and 21.

For instance 2011 to 2013, Blackrock were absolutely head and shoulders above everyone at minor yet never had more than 3 on a panel. (I can name lads who's exclusion mystified from there and elsewhere. TTM I'm sure will also mention a personal favourite of his Niall Cashman.)

My basic point is if there's a borderline decision between a 3rd or 4th player from a city club and from somewhere else, the other guy invariably gets it.

I'm inclined to agree Eddie Gunning Na Piarsaigh and Michael O Halloran Blackrock both got a raw deal with minors last year

Orizio

Breadandbutter wrote: »

I'm inclined to agree Eddie Gunning Na Piarsaigh and Michael O Halloran Blackrock both got a raw deal with minors last year

...and this proves that their is an East Cork bias against the city?

Christ almighty, what is this **** you lads are on about. A couple of lads here and there maybe get overlooked and their is a conspiracy against Cork city GAA clubs. And its even a conspiracy a manager from Fermoy is in on. :eek: Utterly ridiculous.

I suppose it hasn't occurred to you that certain people rate certain players differently than others?

Or that certain players maybe didn't perform as well as others in training matches?

Or that certain players - Gunning in this case - were injured for large parts of the season?

Or that certain mangers favour certain types of hurlers?

No, I guess not. It just makes far more sense that people like Denis Ring, John Dwyer and Liam Martin are just biased against lads from the city. :pac:

Breadandbutter

Orizio wrote: »

...and this proves that their is an East Cork bias against the city?

Christ almighty, what is this **** you lads are on about. A couple of lads here and there maybe get overlooked and their is a conspiracy against Cork city GAA clubs. And its even a conspiracy a manager from Fermoy is in on. :eek: Utterly ridiculous.

I suppose it hasn't occurred to you that certain people rate certain players differently than others?

Or that certain players maybe didn't perform as well as others in training matches?

Or that certain players - Gunning in this case - were injured for large parts of the season?

Or that certain mangers favour certain types of hurlers?

No, I guess not. It just makes far more sense that people like Denis Ring, John Dwyer and Liam Martin are just biased against lads from the city. :pac:

Jesus you've lost the plot

I'm saying in the last few years on balance I think some of the city players didn't get the nod when they could / should have - and of course there are all sorts of factors as to how you build your team

Gunning was fit and available and had proved his fitness I believe he good enough to start, the way the game unfolded given Ml O Hallorans ability and the ineffectiveness of one of two of our forwards I believe he should have been brought on

That's my opinion

Minor is notoriously political

zetecescort

Best of luck to Ballincollig (on tg4), Valley Rovers and Mourneabbey in the ladies football All Ireland semi.

Figsy32

Breadandbutter wrote: »

Jesus you've lost the plot

I'm saying in the last few years on balance I think some of the city players didn't get the nod when they could / should have - and of course there are all sorts of factors as to how you build your team

Gunning was fit and available and had proved his fitness I believe he good enough to start, the way the game unfolded given Ml O Hallorans ability and the ineffectiveness of one of two of our forwards I believe he should have been brought on

That's my opinion

Minor is notoriously political

+1.

Nobody's mentioned conspiracy and only Seventh brought up anything to do with East Cork.

thinkstoomuch1

Good counsel beat athenry 2-17 to 1-17in the schools semi final . In the all ireland semi u16 to play midelton in the all ireland final but are a very good team, but won against 14 men in which  hickey athenry left half back was sent off after 15 minutes
Quite surprisingly to see good few cork men in crowd,just shows if hurling game on that's good cork will watch it,cork hurling fans always like a good school game and midelton playing them next added to the interest you would think



Huge bonus to good counsel the sending off influence became in Evan Niland clarinbridge at just 15,a Galway minor panelists this year certain be this year if not starting imo, he got 1-12 in scores, bout one six from play but the sending off allowed him be double marked in which Cathal o connor at corner back played the sweeper role outstanding well for good counsel.

From being behind 1-5 to just one point prior to the sending off, the dynamic of the game changed hugely as you would naturally and realistically expect after that as such that both sides were level at half time one nine a piece
They did get a man sent off themselves with around six minutes to go but they already had a four point lead at that stage.

Also they beat a Galway side with two u14 lad's one at centre back, one as a forward with a few u14 on the panel so it was a very young team they beat but majority athenry were made up of clarinbridge players who are strong in Galway underage.

Conor walsh athenry gave a brilliant display at centre back would prove if your good enough you can play at a young age at dean ryan and imo aron walsh Barry for midelton I would be considering as a sub if needs be the next day as captain of rice winners this year he is a brilliant player and could do a job if required.

So while good counsel were very good in which 8 different players scored from play which shows their strengths, they certainly can be beaten and two kilkenny players in particular will certainly to need be watched in which they are major influences for their team.

Midelton Must get at least five crucial match ups corrrect imo, that they can win it but they will have to be have on the top of their game as this is a well coached very good team under Declan wall and paduric Cullen and this management made numerous positions in mid game that helped them also which shows they can read and adapt crucially to a game in flow imo

The final Is in two weeks likely in Waterford, Id guess dungarvan etc very likely a Waterford venue I'd imagine given the geographical location of both teams but then again you cant be sure as ard scoil v midelton was in Cashel last year

They have a Panel of 34, they are very strong,they won the football last year u16 all ireland and Their injured captain may be back so there formidable opponent most definitely but at same time not unbeatable.
This game was moved from templemore and played on astro turf so it facilitated a high scoring fast flowing game as unlike grass their was naturally no water logging

The shame for both teams in the final is its unlikely that they will play astro turf again its likely to be on grass Which means if there is heavy rain then it will affect ground conditions.

Imo this being a final this game should be played in carrignore in wit where astro turf ptich all weather Is present.
Both teams deserve a surface that will do their hurling talents justice.

Good news regards dayne lee, a poster said he joined cork panel if true, it's welcome news but imo Sean Hayes must be added also and groomed for cork panel down the line as also a core of other promising youngsters won't have much games at u21 and it's down to jbm to bring them to senior and groom for two or three years and save the day as u 21 is unikely to do that imo

a city club are looking for a manager and are looking outside county apparently even imo they don't need to.
imo they shouldn't do what barrs done, for example yes they had the right idea with a long term plan but going up to kilkenny to seek guidance on creating such a long term plan Is fine but when plenty of their own men or cork men could have told them what they needed to do to correct their many wrongs imo it would have sufficed.
It's fine to go outside the county but you should avail of the scources within where at all possible.

The minor job imo in cork is huge concern if landers goes and I doubt very much some will be happy and imo rightly so he the leaving minors with one year left in the concerns over loosing momentum.


It leaves a massive void to fill.
I don't think he's loss to the set up can in the slightest bit be underestimated imo.
I'd be hugely worried for them and they have to have get the next appointment right for a replacement for landers if indeed he does go imo.

No one seems to know who is in the running for intermediate manager
Let's hope they get it right.
Minors, u21, seniors, and the intermediate teams could all have key coaches in 2015 with huge concerns imo in senior coach totally unproven at this level,21 likely set up no real proven success, the minor and intermediate if wrong appointments are made which leaves cork heavy reliant on college hurling to bail them out again and as proven as much as it hugely helped Cork it isn't enough, cork needs more structure to stand on, a table can't stand on legs, it needs support of all four legs for reliable sustainability ,cork are the same imo it needs all four, it needs the support of minor, senior, intermediate and u21 to
become a sustainable real force in cork hurling in the future again.

Breadandbutter wrote: »

I'm inclined to agree Eddie Gunning Na Piarsaigh and Michael O Halloran Blackrock both got a raw deal with minors last year

Eddie Gunning was injured and missing for a lot prepartion and while he was fit in the end he had missed large part of the preparation also in hallorans case who would you have dropped from the forwards that started.
It's important to remember cork were playing to a particularly system also.
Also it seems city lad's here are keeping one argument going but when it comes to others no consistency for example Alec luttrel would have been in strong contention but again had suffered foot injury so he misses key prepartion.
He's a real talent.
Nobody seems to thinks he got a raw deal, oh as he's not from the city.No mention. He didn't get a raw deal, was injured for a while.
Paul lepold also etc,many more included.


Simple fact is landers and Ring and martin a glen selector all had consistency in their selections all year long.


Five of lee, kinery, kingston, meade, casey had harty cup expierence so when it came to very close calls harty cup was going to get the edge plus casey and meade were trackers from a forward something halloran is not in that he is an out an out scoring forward line



And in Bourke and cian walsh case in the full back line both had been starting senior championship either intermediate or senior for club where the expierence at harty cup was yes missing they still filled that void to a degree ,but o brien had harty cup expierence with midelton cbs.



Yes if gunning was fully fit he would have made it with proper game time but based on that cian walsh, Bourke, o brien were better calls to start taking all in to consideration imo.

I'd have used gunning as a sub but at the same time David doolin senior glen this year like gunning at club had a fine game replacing o brien when he came on to be fair to him.Doolin had an outstanding year at corner for the glen so the selection justified great call by minors in they saw this lad had massive potential.

Kingston, kinery,lee, Sean Hayes were undroppable as forwards.
Meade is better at midfield but was in there to do a job in half forward in a tracking role and casey was in there to simply crowd midfield not play as a out forward and cork knew limerick were very strong in the middle third extremely strong in fact.

John Good didn't have great game and had be subbed after being a sub himself but he was there to do casey role in listed as a forward but not playing like the normal orthodox role, where as the majestic halloran is a pure forward but can't do that tracking role and cork had no choice but to set up with essentially four main scoring forwards as if they went in a shootout with limerick they would have lost so that's why halloran wasn't brought on for good imo and that's why john looney did come on next and had a great game.

Four real ace shooters we say in scoring wise say were kingston, lee, kinery, Hayes, three all had harty cup and were flying where's in halloran didn't have harty cup so in tight calls was likely loose out on that basis imo.

Also Hayes one of the four that did not  have harty cup expierence but he had played senior championship with avondu v ucc having a blinder something halloran at senior hadn't yet done.

Having played u21 parts this year at club and also munster with old christians while it's not harty cup he imo will be better position this year and will be automatic starter.
I don't believe it had anything to do with bias against city clubs last year in any call.
No one can prove that conclusively if so list clear clear I mean clear examples.
It will be rather difficult as Imo they are simply No examples of such bias with this year minors selection imo.
What I found truly amazing, was a cork did question why one cork minor didn't get a game when they felt he could have where as the U21 management were not questioned once despite an appalling shambolic defeat to clare and like wise under ger Fitzgerald he had this immunity from criticism despite woeful team selections and appalling tactics and organisation of teams in hes four years as manager Just winning around two games against top counties which was a truly truly dismal statistic for cork u21 hurling.
You wan to see club favouritism look no further than 2011 munster u21 final, Seamus harnedy on the bench, in 80 minutes couldn't get a second of game time, but midelton haughney was a from the same club as ger, worse still lehane who was clearly not fully right for this game was taken off, correct call but then readded again and haughney was appalling overlooked when he could have been a replacement twice and he was well on the radar at that stage as even Denis walsh had him in cork development trial gam v lit in cork in which he was outstanding against davy fitzgerald lit and on cork intermediate scene also.
People say harnedy developed late as an excuse he didn't play , yes he did but at the same time he had more than enough talent to start for cork u21 team at least as a sub in a game crying out for physical toughness in he's hurling and games would have developed him.

Ring has imperious record in the game, just look at Fermoy, countless other club success, Colmans, cork minors in past yet some have the need to mention he does calls against city in close calls. I can go through every club or team he coached or school if anybody wants me to.
Complete rubbish imo,even hint club bias.



No body questioned calls previous minor set up, Sean Hayes should of started for cork minors last year,overlooked but for ring and landers he wouldn't got a game.




This year Kingston, lee, Hayes had brilliant games so justified selection, kinery is better half forward yes but I though he had a good game against paddy loughlin and it was a close decision you make arguments for both.
Wasn't Imo clear cut raw deals

So raw deal assessment is way way way off the mark,,and if some actually study it realistically and closely you will find in these calls were very close and like the gunning case the calls were close calls based on real judgement influenced by circumstances in case of injury etc than any raw deals perception of the matter matter makes out to actually What happened imo.
Raw s deals such utter utter complete nonense in all fairness and anybody barks that tree clearly imo hasn't any idea what there talking about with the greatest of respect.



Just to say this in advance the team next year will have many close calls imo based on competition there so once it's same management you can categorically imo rule out any club bias but don't you know it will cause some critsim here which is fine but leave club bias nonense out of it as ring doesn't do such rubbish imo.



Go through every team Denis ring ever coached cork or Colmans and there was no club bias at all at all in fact ring gives lad's clubs chance wouldn't get a sniff under previous reigns despite talent justifying they get game time.

Landers like wise imo hasn't done club bias in u17 or u16 squads he was involved in which they were all very successful with the u16 in 2012 going down by two points to all ireland champions limerick at that grade with the bulk of that team involved in this year year minors with limerick.


In relation to the club scene
What you would hope to see done today is every cork management set up go knowlan park and watch intensity the senior finals and physicality and compare it to the shambles in cork club scene today



Ballincollig imo have great chance to beat Austin stacks I'd think they can win it and I will go for them
If there beaten it won't be like sarsfields in the hurling in its their ist time in this munster in kerry notorious hard win games football but jenninags, Miskella, Kelly, kiely they have warrior to do it with Galvin also and donoughue.
Big game for George durrant, in lot cork people feel is a prospect for cork, I dont, today is the chance to prove otherwise in good simply won't do,he must imo have a brilliant game to be considered better than o rourke, collins, Kelly,Brian o driscoll, possibly James loughrey in half forward tracker back role.
I don't rate colm o driscoll much as a player but id have him over durrant.
Durrant had one good season but the hype machine has gone way in to over drive just as he is kerry.
A fine club player but lot more to do to show he's better than what we currently have.



Who marks donaghy
I'd worry bout jennings on him, I'd have donoughue drop back on him with jennimgs to centre back and with Kelly dropping back deep to launch counter attacks donoughue loss at six is negated, as in its simple donaghy must be Marked

Also I'd have golden rule in don't over commit on him, stand off him if needs be but swarm him when In possession, in don't let him shoot as unlike kerry forwards I don't believe rest this full forward line are anything really Unmarkable

Ballincollig need to believe they can win it and not be beaten before a ball is kicked
Good management do that and so far management have done all asked of them.

Orizio

Breadandbutter wrote: »

Jesus you've lost the plot

No one has the plot but the two lads banging on about supposed bias over Cork city players, and you agreeing with them. Now you are backtracking but nonetheless you agreed with and co-signed a lad that believes there is an bias at work in Cork underage hurling that ensures non-city lads get picked over city lads.

This of course is bollocks, and its funny the two lads banging on about this bias have bizarrely disappeared from this thread when challenged to proof their accusations.

ShamoBuc

15 mins gone and 'Collig are 1-03 v 0-01 up. At this early stage it is clearly evident, stop Donaghy and you stop Stacks.

Orizio

Figsy32 wrote: »

+1.

Nobody's mentioned conspiracy and only Seventh brought up anything to do with East Cork.

My bad, instead you actually believe...

Figsy32 wrote:

My basic point is if there's a borderline decision between a 3rd or 4th player from a city club and from somewhere else, the other guy invariably gets it.

...that its a county wide, not just an East Cork, bias against Cork city players. Which is even more insane then the crap Seventh came up with.

And again, you have done nothing to prove your above accusation against Cork underage managers as true. You didn't even bother replying to my post talking about the Rockies lads. But I guess I'll keep waiting.

Producer Ben

ShamoBuc wrote: »

15 mins gone and 'Collig are 1-03 v 0-01 up. At this early stage it is clearly evident, stop Donaghy and you stop Stacks.

O'Donoghue is doing a great job on him.

ShamoBuc

Some wayward kickouts has allowed Stacks back into it. Needs a few shorter kickouts to maintain possession.
Losing O'Sullivan in midfield didn't help. Donaghy going to midfield helped Stacks
Ht they still lead 1-04v 0-06.
All to play for.

Figsy32

Orizio wrote: »

My bad, instead you actually believe...



...that its a county wide, not just an East Cork, bias against Cork city players. Which is even more insane then the crap Seventh came up with.

And again, you have done nothing to prove your above accusation against Cork underage managers as true. You didn't even bother replying to my post talking about the Rockies lads. But I guess I'll keep waiting.

Honestly, you're reading way too much into what I wrote. I haven't once used the word bias. If you look at my first post on the topic I said there wasn't bias.

All I argued was that there seems to be a trend that there isn't as many players from these clubs as their club form suggests. That's all I've tried to get across. Is that really insane?

I wouldn't say its down to bias but familiarity through development squads, divisional squads etc.

The quote you highlighted was an observation, not an "accusation". I'm well aware many of these are close calls. It's just noticeable that there hasn't been more than 3 (if i'm remembering correctly from Friday) from the one club in the teams you listed.

I'd disagree with your assessment of Rockies lads. I'd find it hard to see which players who did make it, you feel shouldn't have but feel free to pm names.

I was travelling Friday so didn't get my point across maybe as well as I could have but I don't see how that's so controversial.