Cork GAA Discussion Thread

pluszap

Eoin Cadogan will take his first steps into coaching when he links up with the Armagh hurlers next season — despite yesterday committing to Cork’s footballers in

2015.The 28-year-old has agreed to assist manager John Lennon and will combine the duties while lining out for Brian Cuthbert’s side.Cuthbert responded to yesterday’s

news: “I am delighted to have Eoin on board for 2015. Preparations are under way for the year ahead, and we look forward to returning to competitive action.”Jimmy

Barry-Murphy said: “We are disappointed to lose Eoin but we wish him well with the footballers in 2015. The door is always open for his return to Cork hurling, should

circumstances allow.”Cadogan’s only appearance for the hurlers in this year’s Championship came in a cameo towards the end of the Munster semi-final victory over


Clare. However, he was all but ever-present for the footballers, starting in the Munster final, All-Ireland qualifier against Sligo as well as the All-Ireland quarter-final defeat

to Mayo.Cadogan has been part of the football panel since 2007 and joined the hurling squad the following year. He opted away from hurling in 2012 before becoming a

dual player again this past season.Cadogan has been spending more time in Armagh of late as his girlfriend Julie Davis is strength and conditioning coach to the

county’s senior footballers and the Douglas man has been studying for a degree in the same field at Setanta College.This year, Armagh’s hurlers lost to Derry at the

quarter-final stage by six points. They were also relegated to the Nicky Rackard Cup from the Christy Ring competition after losing to Down in a play-off.However, they have twice claimed the Nicky Rackard Cup in the last five years.After Cadogan and Aidan Walsh, Castlehaven and St Finbarr’s man Damien Cahalane is the other dual player facing the decision of whether to once more split his time or stick with one code.The indications are he will repeat Walsh’s action and commit solely to the hurlers. Cadogan’s younger brother Alan is expected to continue with the hurlers despite impressing with the U21 footballers earlier this year.

thinkstoomuch1

Good move for Eoin
He's girlfriend is in coaching set up armagh footballer
Top strength conditions coach meant to be
Was with kildare and I think cavan before

denishurley

TTM, the finalised teams are closer to what you think they should be rather than what you think they will be.

Breadandbutter

pluszap wrote: »

Eoin Cadogan will take his first steps into coaching when he links up with the Armagh hurlers next season — despite yesterday committing to Cork’s footballers in

2015.The 28-year-old has agreed to assist manager John Lennon and will combine the duties while lining out for Brian Cuthbert’s side.Cuthbert responded to yesterday’s

news: “I am delighted to have Eoin on board for 2015. Preparations are under way for the year ahead, and we look forward to returning to competitive action.”Jimmy

Barry-Murphy said: “We are disappointed to lose Eoin but we wish him well with the footballers in 2015. The door is always open for his return to Cork hurling, should

circumstances allow.”Cadogan’s only appearance for the hurlers in this year’s Championship came in a cameo towards the end of the Munster semi-final victory over


Clare. However, he was all but ever-present for the footballers, starting in the Munster final, All-Ireland qualifier against Sligo as well as the All-Ireland quarter-final defeat

to Mayo.Cadogan has been part of the football panel since 2007 and joined the hurling squad the following year. He opted away from hurling in 2012 before becoming a

dual player again this past season.Cadogan has been spending more time in Armagh of late as his girlfriend Julie Davis is strength and conditioning coach to the

county’s senior footballers and the Douglas man has been studying for a degree in the same field at Setanta College.This year, Armagh’s hurlers lost to Derry at the

quarter-final stage by six points. They were also relegated to the Nicky Rackard Cup from the Christy Ring competition after losing to Down in a play-off.However, they have twice claimed the Nicky Rackard Cup in the last five years.After Cadogan and Aidan Walsh, Castlehaven and St Finbarr’s man Damien Cahalane is the other dual player facing the decision of whether to once more split his time or stick with one code.The indications are he will repeat Walsh’s action and commit solely to the hurlers. Cadogan’s younger brother Alan is expected to continue with the hurlers despite impressing with the U21 footballers earlier this year.

I just don't get that at all

thinkstoomuch1

Yeah Denis I done two teams
One my team but one I just second guessing in what I think they will be and did it see how far out I may be with the final selection

Some tough calls to be fair
Imo I could be wrong midfield seems a certainty in donal cronin and kearney
Midfield in football be very close with kiely, Kissane, fitzpatrick pushing hard
Gould likely to create debate, very good v duhallow be fair but I feel others was better


Half back line football tough call
I feel john Hayes will get one at full forward being shortlisted for player of the year imo the biggest game year to be on any team you must perform in a final though. He imo was just okay not great, Seamus was actually better imo and if he got one its deserved

If you even had poor semi for example and great final I'd give player it not other way around
I fee players of cian mac ability at club and intercounty and senior like Hayes should be doing way more from play in these finals and imo under achieved while others performed better.

It's a tough and thankless job picking any all star team in there will be always tough calls.
It's a great idea hopefully it will continue to grow and evolve year on year and its terrific recognition club player

Do many other counties do it?
Limerick are only other ones I think have one If I'm right.

Cadogan wants to go in coaching in doing course it,saw opportunity took it to learn by doing it
I don't see what's hard to comprend b and b to be honest.
It's like students in college going on work placement
This will help him, all book theory fine to point no substitute for real real coaching though
Tis only he who wears the shoe b and b, will know exactly how it fits, a phrase cork could do well to remember when appointing management teams at the elite levels.



I don't think it will clash with football in just training them like playing both last year. NO disrespect to armagh hurling but they won't be playing in croke park in august so shouldn't clash with football if cork manage to get lucky and make it there in the football.

I wish Eoin best luck with that and it's great to see people helping county like armagh in hurling
Armagh got to start from somewhere good to see and so does Eoin

Ireland have some wonderful strength and conditions proven coaches in experienced and up and coming it's a very competitive aera so it makes sense he gets as much as expierence as he can
We have Michael deasy cork Samoa ruby, limerick have Scott daly young coach with qpr football academy in England so that among many examples are proof huge opportunities for these coaches in and out of Ireland etc in the top I mean top now set ups.I could list many more examples.

I'm sure Eoin when playing is over he would be top top class in that role.

Breadandbutter

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Yeah Denis I done two teams
One my team but one I just second guessing in what I think they will be and did it see how far out I may be with the final selection

Some tough calls to be fair
Imo I could be wrong midfield seems a certainty in donal cronin and kearney
Midfield in football be very close with kiely, Kissane, fitzpatrick pushing hard
Gould likely to create debate, very good v duhallow be fair but I feel others was better


Half back line football tough call
I feel john Hayes will get one at full forward being shortlisted for player of the year imo the biggest game year to be on any team you must perform in a final though. He imo was just okay not great, Seamus was actually better imo and if he got one its deserved

If you even had poor semi for example and great final I'd give player it not other way around
I fee players of cian mac ability at club and intercounty and senior like Hayes should be doing way more from play in these finals and imo under achieved while others performed better.

It's a tough and thankless job picking any all star team in there will be always tough calls.
It's a great idea hopefully it will continue to grow and evolve year on year and its terrific recognition club player

Do many other counties do it?
Limerick are only other ones I think have one If I'm right.

Cadogan wants to go in coaching in doing course it,saw opportunity took it to learn by doing it
I don't see what's hard to comprend b and b to be honest.
It's like students in college going on work placement
This will help him, all book theory fine to point no substitute for real real coaching though
Tis only he who wears the shoe b and b, will know exactly how it fits, a phrase cork could do well to remember when appointing management teams at the elite levels.



I don't think it will clash with football in just training them like playing both last year. NO disrespect to armagh hurling but they won't be playing in croke park in august so shouldn't clash with football if cork manage to get lucky and make it there in the football.

I wish Eoin best luck with that and it's great to see people helping county like armagh in hurling
Armagh got to start from somewhere good to see and so does Eoin

Ireland have some wonderful strength and conditions proven coaches in experienced and up and coming it's a very competitive aera so it makes sense he gets as much as expierence as he can
We have Michael deasy cork Samoa ruby, limerick have Scott daly young coach with qpr football academy in England so that among many examples are proof huge opportunities for these coaches in and out of Ireland etc in the top I mean top now set ups.I could list many more examples.

I'm sure Eoin when playing is over he would be top top class in that role.

Well viewing it as a work placement / experience put a different perspective on it - and if coaching is his long term goal it's understandable

I suppose I was viewing it as declaring for one code and then coaching another and going well out of his way to do it

To give him his due I presume he had thought it through

Good luck to him

Personally I think he had something to offer to the hurlers this year but clearly he has his decision made

Mountainlad

Correct me if I'm wrong TTM, but did you compare it to being like a student doing a work placement or did you say it was actually a work placement? Because I assume it is the former.

Not to tell him his business, but struggling myself to see how this dual commitment (sound familiar?) is going to work for him given how far away Armagh is.

thinkstoomuch1

Mountainlad wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong TTM, but did you compare it to being like a student doing a work placement or did you say it was actually a work placement? Because I assume it is the former.

Not to tell him his business, but struggling myself to see how this dual commitment (sound familiar?) is going to work for him given how far away Armagh is.

I mean students doing course go on work expierence learn real world this could be similar for Eoin

Dual commitment here nothing like playing both in he will still have recovery he won't be training in both himself body be fine

I'm sure the training sessions won't clash
It's workable
Armagh won't be hands on as not elite level so fine learn trade imo and with armagh hurling it's not beyond possiblty he will be working with coaches know what they're doing unlike cork football

thinkstoomuch1

Bodoyke pulled out munster junior semi

Castlematy would beaten them there poor

Soft east cork men should beat limerick or Waterford in mallow
The way it turned out I expect an all ireland final at least for them before I'd proclaim as great munster now as beating kerry walk over,home final these games you expect cork club win
Some may proclaim munster as greatness needs to be kept perspective
Kerry kenmare poor so imo just one win against stronger team than kenmare in munster hardly hard munster title

They should win soft munster if loose it's a calamity as they will never have as soft munster again

SchoolsFan

TTM I can see what you are saying about Eddie Gunning, I was at the game and he was being moved around by Nash and sucked up into midfield at times.

Agree about Dayne Lee he is a serious talent and needs to be central and on the ball as often as possible. It was great to see him carry the game to Castletroy the last day in the closing stages as in the past he has tended to drop the head in games when things aren't going his way.

There was a third teacher/coach with the the AG on Wednesday. I was wondering who he was so I rang Mick Evans, principal in the neighboring Mon, he informed me the guy is Eddie Cronin. Apparently he coached this team when the won Cork Colleges 14A a few years ago, and also coached a combined AG/North Mon team to an O'Callaghan cup final a few years ago. Possibly not as good a coach as Tim Lordan but apparently very good on the line etc. Tadgh Og of SARS and Padraig Gould of Na Piarsaigh also teaching in the AG so no shortage of dedicated and knowledgeable hurling men. Hopefully this isn't a once off team and they can at least be competitive in the 'A' competitions going forward.

It was good to see Jamie Morrisey coming on at centre forward, another great talent from the conveyor belt they have in Na Piarsaigh. Apparently he is still eligible for next years Dean Ryan.

zetecescort

Milford Camogie team win Munster for 3rd year in a row.

zetecescort

All stars for Angela Walsh, Brid Stack, Vera Foley, Geraldine O'Flynn, Breige Corkery, Ciara O'Sullivan

zetecescort

Sars v Kilmallock on tg4 from 1:30

CORKDOUBLE

Best of luck to Sars today ...to get to the Munster final would be great .

thinkstoomuch1

November 2012 dean Ryan cup final de la Salle in Fraher Field won 11 points. In 2-15 to Ag 0-10.

GAELCHOLÁISTE MHUIRE: Darragh O'Connell; Brian O'Callaghan, Eddie Gunning, Robert O'Meara; Eric O'Keeffe, Colin O'Sullivan, Adam O'Donovan; Kieran Hanafin, Eoin O’Leary; Craig Connolly, Paul White, Liam Coughlan; Dan Gunning, David Braham, Dayne Lee. Subs: Darragh Tuohy for David Braham, Cathal O'Callaghan for Paul White, Evan Sheehan for Dan Gunning.

That core team has progress and evolved since then for Ag and its clear to see the progress they have made great to see.
Liam shorten fitness trainer done superb work credit due with them.

Connell, gunning Callaghan. O meara, o sullivan, Donovan, hanafiin leary, white,coughlan,lee, dan gunning, braham,Cathal O'Callaghan Evan sheehan all made transition from 2012 to now

Morrisey is good hurler after school fan's no surprise Ag mhuire play them young, right in you give them experience, give them time, stick with them and more importantly belive and support in them that in the last year at schools you have mature hurlers at young adult age with lots top class high intensity school hurling behind them.

Evan sheehan must been only 13 or so playing dean Ryan back then, dan gunning 14 or so also.
Evan will have this year playing harty, doing great, possible three more at harty left. Brian corcoran was 15 he played minor cork, but played harty ist, helped transition.

Aron walsh Barry captain midelton rice cup 2014 winning team sub this year dean ryan cup finalist imo will be starting next year may see game time yet.
John gardiner doing U21 will help na piarssigh down line

I hear Brian cocranan brother john coaching eirins own at minor , trying get Brian involved at senior, I doubt he go, as look new management
John was some hurler but for an accident actually better than Brian at he's age, captain midelton to rice cup and dean Ryan cup, goal v tipp minor in 1986 force replay, tlyes that good would imo made superb senior hurler bar injury from accident as never same hurler after it.
Padraig has Ag u14 doing great with them.
Gould is a terrific player real dog and bite terrible unlucky with injury though.
Exactly warrior type hurlers cork looking for,real city swagger arrogant attitude you need also.
He's got it all.
Only 25 I'd have him recall to the panel over lawton, Cian mac, bud hartnett any and every day of the week 365 days a year.
School fan I'm a big believer like yourself harty cup success and school success is crucial rucial to cork success at minor.

Below is an extract from donal og cusack mastermind genuine sublimity of a magnified utter brilliant  article imo regards cork hurling in august
[

Cork won the first Munster minor championship in 1928. In the 80 years until 2008, they appeared in 44 finals and won 32 of them. Haven’t been in a final since 2008. A record.

For the last six seasons, this year’s Munster senior title and Newtownshandrum’s last Munster club title are all that are saving us from a bare cupboard. Not a single appearance in a Munster minor final, let alone a title. No Harty Cups. No U21 titles. Do we have to be winning at underage to have senior success? The Mushroom Men would say no. Our history shows a different correlation. What is important is that young hurlers get exposed to top level competition. In the last six seasons the Cork minor hurlers have played 15 championship games in all. Three of those were easy wins against Kerry. Of the other 12 games we won just two.

That means six years where no minor hurler has graduated having played in a Munster final or having played in Croke Park. In that period Waterford minor teams have played 26 championship games and won an All-Ireland title. Tipp have played 21 games, Clare have played 25, Limerick with this year’s All-Ireland final to come have played 18.

That lack of exposure leads to a lack of confidence which percolates upwards and outwards. We struggle at Harty Cup level now. We struggle at U21 level. We have played nine U21 championship games in the last six seasons, winning four and never getting outside Munster.

Somewhere, something went wrong. From 1994 to 2008, there were 15 Harty Cups played; Cork won eight. In the same period, we won eight Munster minor titles, appeared in six minor All-Irelands and won three of them. We won the U21 All-Ireland in 1997 and 1998 and lost four finals in that 15-year period. All that got us to five All-Ireland senior finals of which we won three.

The world around us has changed. We have just stood still.

Take the schools. Traditionally our schools have been our production line and our pride. In 1995 I played on the Cork minor team which won the All-Ireland. We beat Kilkenny by 11 points in the final. 12 of us (from Midleton and the Mon) had extensive Harty Cup experience from that and previous years. Underage club hurling doesn’t give you anything approaching the same intensity.

In terms of leadership, belief and experience, I believe Harty Cup was a huge part of the Cork hurling story.

In 2011, CBS Charleville had the bad luck to lose a Harty Cup final by 25 points. They are the only Cork school to have contested a Harty final in the last six years. In the years since the competition started in 1918, Cork schools had won the Harty Cup 40 times. Now nothing.

Take the last four minor hurling All-Ireland titles Cork have won. 1985/95/98 and 2001 (yes, we have won four minor titles since 1979). In three of these years Cork teams won the Harty Cup and the other year, 1998, Cork minors drew upon students who had been successful with St Colman’s in 1997 when they won both the Harty Cup and the Dr Croke Cup.

There has always been a strong link between the winning of the Harty Cup (Munster) or the Corn Uí Dhuill (Leinster) or the Dr Croke Cup (All-Ireland) with good minorperformance. Galway who have most of the summer to get ready for the All-Ireland minor series, are an exception in that trend. The last three schools to lift the Dr Croke Cup have all contributed to county teams who went on to lift the All-Ireland that year. This year’s Dr Croke Cup final was an all-Kilkenny game. Ardscoil Rís in Limerick won the Harty Cup. Kilkenny and Limerick contest the minor final on September 7.

In Cork, we have lost that link. It’s not until recent years that people have registered the drop in standards of hurling in the city. Farranferris closed to boarders at the turn of the millennium and closed entirely in 2006. The school hadn’t competed at top level since the 80s but it was one more hurling outlet to vanish.

North Mon went into severe decline after winning the Harty Cup and Dr Croke Cup in 1994 but that absence was disguised for a while by the rise of St Colman’s in Fermoy, who won five Hartys between 1996 and 2003, and appeared in three back to back Dr Croke finals, winning the first two. Since then, the college has closed its boarding section which has taken away a lot of its competitiveness at hurling.

The Mon still compete but with the Irish (Gaelcholáiste Mhuire) and English speaking sectors of the school fielding separate teams, the place isn’t an academy of hurling any longer.

If I look at the landscape and how it has changed even since I played Harty Cup in the early to mid 1990s the population shifted and the county board did nothing to prepare for that and nothing to stop the sharp decline in city schools hurling.

Schools in Rochestown, Youghal, Bandon, Charleville and my ownMidleton CBS look like being the future. Midleton’s Dean Ryan Cup win promises a revival. The job is to make sure there is no valley after that.

In the city, is it time to bite the bullet and enter an amalgamated team (leaving Rochestown out to develop on their own) with one full-time games development officer being helped by teacher coaches. There is no shame in amalgamating. Just reality. Dublin hurling did it and now Coláiste Eoin compete in Leinster as a single college while Dublin North and Dublin South both field teams meaning a good number of young Dubs sample good colleges hurling every winter. In Waterford, amalgamation was hugely successful for Dungarvan and the game grew in strength to the extent that Dungarvan CBS now compete as an individual school again after the amalgamated team won back to back Hartys. In Limerick, West Limerick Colleges entered an amalgamated team in this year’s Harty Cup. With Ardscoil, Doon CBS, Castletroy College all competing well as individual schools, there is a lot of Limerick lads getting exposure to good hurling.

In Cork, sadly we have the history of recent failure and decline that makes us entitled to look at amalgamation. Would Bandon be stronger if they threw in their lot with other colleges in the area?

] end of extract

Harty cup is key to minor and dean is huge stepping stone to dean imo as it rice to white, white to dean etc,so their imo all part of a jigsaw, miss just one piece and the jigsaw is flawed the final picture of sustainable excellent cork underage hurling won't happen then.
Thankfully cork schools beginning like hammies and charville winning b munster colleges moving up to dean Ryan cups then harty making progress etc with midelton leading way in rice cups, whyte and dean's Ryan cups.Hammies I'd disagree with cusack in almagamating just yet
Three years in after gap since 94 or so IN HARTY more than holding their own.

Charville won white cup good progress at dean,two years strong harty cup team
Rochestown building on last year doing good and will evolve.
Since 2012 we have had three cork teams in finals, midelton last and this year against Waterford limerick and tipp elite.
The way it should be every year or at least almost every year imo.
I see countless games underage last five years, believe me folks talent is in cork, I eat lots and lots of carrots, real real carrots organic  the best of the best,so I have great I mean great great eyes now, eyes of a cat if not better in fact, I see wonderful I mean truly wonderful young hurling talent in cork crying out to be developed in to future stars of cork hurling future

Cork schools are turning the tide dean Ryan cup finalist possibly five from seven qualify for harty cup Quater finals but it be terribly naive and fatal to success if work was not developed further and cork imo still needs at least 20 gdos and more money in underage as lot work still to do to prevent like cusack said any valleys occurring in cork hurling.
You cant afford to rest on laurels for one moment in modern hurling. It's just too competive now with a lot of big players compared to the old days.

Again though like I consistently preach imo winning rice cup Dean, white,harty will count for nothing at all If you have inept, poor incompetent minor and 21 coaches at intercounty level that have no skillset to harvest the talent in to winners which was the order of the day in cork underage last few years in cork hurling bar this year minor team being the exception to the rule the cork county board enforced.

Lord mayo cup is very good but shouldn't hide  for the need of more gdos in cork,paid to solely do a job.
The future starts today or else tomorrow will never come for cork hurling and cork hurling on legacy ,jbm christy ring, liam mccarthy, jack lynch,Brian cocranan,Sean Og Halpin, cusack,rock many many more legends deserves way more than what cork hurling has come to accept now.
We the fans, players,every man, woman, child of cork hurling truly deserves more.
Schools hurling is really huge part of the future of cork hurling.

Just one brief note, Ireland not given any chance against world second best team,loads injuries but won,in rugby, all because as every pundits said Great coaching the team  had a game plan.
Players believed in schmidt, even not get carried away after win,it was like they expected to win.

Seems similar lines dricoo saying irelands don't do moral victory all blacks,because that drive, attitude, will,  to change culture irish rugby
Again sooner cork football, some fans not all but some can't see the wood from the trees, until ex pundits start questions defeats cork football, not paper over cracks we will remain in shambles we currently are in.
Great coaching you cant beat it proven coach.
Ireland down the years had some awful coaches, in Ashton, kidd,Murphy,Fitzgerald etc,now top top coaches we have but a real tactical genuis

Another point I find that stands out like a sore thumb is eammon fitzmaurice, cody,schmidt always play down their role in media as lucky, and just belief passion etc and praise players, where likes  mcgegennys, cuthbherts,other poor cork managers talk the tactical game with  plans and visions etc etc but can't walk the walk in key games.

Schmidt is genuis said I'm guy just made odd sub, I'm just spectator playing down he's role after the match , like cody saying I don't do tactics or you cant read a game from sideline, belive them you would swallow and anchor.Great I mean great, now lad's I mean great managers.

The managers that do less talking themselves up are the really great ones,shut mouth always catches no flies imo.
It stares us in face day after day in elite sports tactical coaching is king and lot of overhyped coaches out their in gaa, rugby, soccer you name it are dreadful tacticians

Liverpool again showed up one today   despite some media love affair with him while mourinho the guy they love to hates proves he's a top top coach.
People just need to see what it's front of them it's not rocket science to identify poor coaching and great coaching.And call a spade a spade.
Cork had a appalling season under cuthbhert not a whisper of discontent in pundits.

Wales lost again to wallabies and 25th out 26 loss southern England hemisphere top three. Gatland came in for criticism in BBC match report
And he has three six nations and lions success but correctly so record appalling v aussie he's questioned

I read on tipp gaa west side columnist, Michael Ryan appointment was questioned correctly so next year even before unfolds.
Yet cork football we see before us a truly appalling year yet immunity criticism is astounding baffling imo. Surely cork have right to question on the year we had.

Congrats to Millford in Camoige fantastic win, great club.
Any team with aisling Thompson warrior, and Anna geary also are going to be hard to beat. Congrats on cork ladies all stars.
Best of luck to mililstreet tomorrow, should win.

Best of luck to sarsfields no excuses if they loose.
This is at best average Kilmallock side.
Tight small confines of Kilmallock will suit ray Ryan, Craig leahy who isn't very quick but is strong, Cian mac lack of pace,sars will play a sweeper

Yes their Is large hostile home crowd but ray Ryan fraggie.,Tadhg o Murphy,kearney,conor sullivan all have big game expierence

Conor sullivan should play sweeping role will, kearney at midfield will give robbie Hanley limerick minor fine hurler baptism fire

Scores could be sarsfields problems
Cian mac has no excuse today slow game, heavy ground, must perform

Paudie o brien isn't a forward, Gavin o mahony, Eoin Ryan dangerous but Jake mulchay and ghraham are main ones

Conor sullivan if needs be for ghraham mulchay who's a terrific hurler but imo I play conor as sweeper and they won't concede much

I expect sarsfields to win but i don't have burning confidence either
This could be a dour, slow, physical slog fest and may if weather is poor may not be pretty on the eyes

If people are travelling be aware diversions may nrin place through doneraile due to roadworks and will add to the trip journey

Must win game no excuses if they loose
I hope they win cork hurling needs them to.

zetecescort

Millstreet game on 103fm at 4pm

ShamoBuc

SARS up by 1 at ht. Played against strongish wind. Don't think much of kilmallock so far. Ref is a bit off as well!

thinkstoomuch1

Two dreadful poo teams this like I said Is dour struggle who are limited even in small pitch are poo

If cractlloe or Thurles Sarsfields get them Thurles in Thurles blow either team out the gap if dry day

Cian mac dreadful bar two catches woeful goal miss and nit doing it Paudie o brien holding him
Yet the naive foolish i'm sorry but there's no other words it think this guy is worth panel place, no way

He may come in to it but awful ist half. Mobility huge problem for him in winter

Cussen took goal well, but I said loughlin I's poor defender during week, Philip isn't much better
If Kilmarnock bring in paddy the limerick minor he's much much better than two brothers

Cussen missed another golden goal chance
Has been out fought most balls.Yet cork football see him as the saviour
One one, typically he starts well. Flatter to decive then, when need I's greatest will he perform!?second half


Kearney superb game with sullivan and quigley.
But find scores hard to come by and got soft goal just as Kilmallock
They should win this as Kilmarnock awful full back line may conceded more goals but at same time there struggling against a poor Kilmallock could even loose it leahy having a nightmare under any high ball at full back.
If I call it go just for sarsfields as pat Ryan imo better than sparrow but Ryan has nothing imo to work with in limited panel.
They should be winning it well.

thinkstoomuch1

What did I say bout leahy
Being destroyed inside
Move him out fast

ShamoBuc

A draw, 3-15 v 3-15 extra time now.
Poor second half from sars. Kearney was good in first half but was very quiet in second.
Can Mc was excellent from placed balls but did little else.
They came back from 6 down to draw so on that I think they will go on and winnow hopefully.

thinkstoomuch1

Cian mac so called great should get or got more game time cork by some fans to stand up from play

Just one point from play just like county final jbm watched both games must drop him from the panel

I rate pat Ryan but woeful leaving Craig leahy in at full back
Cost them two goals
Sarsfields the should win day but there awful against team just as bad
There struggling and may scrape it purely heart courage that pat Ryan install team
Haven't hope winning all ireland, munster seems tall order

Cian fine frees nothing from play
Cussen sporadiclly but consistently not winning ball again a poor opponent
If harnedy was here today or cooper would be destroyed loughin

You cant play cian for cork on frees alone
Cork carry horgan on frees as it is

ShamoBuc

Lost by 2 very late points. Draw would have been a fair result.
Neither team would have won the final.
Cork club teams poor results in Munster continues.

CORKDOUBLE

TTM whats your problem with Cian McCarthy ?

The White Feather

Teams were level near the end and Cussen gets a chance but hits a weak shot and it ends up barely trickling over the end line. This about sums him up.

I dont mind someone missing but at least go all out for it and not a half hearted effort.He has no bite at all or determination to get the winning score. Neither team seemed great tho

Rebel norrie

Very poor game. SARS only for Kearney would have been hammered. Cork hurling very poor. A lot if this is due to refs constantly blowing their whistle for stupid things. Even at juvenile level rucks are not allowed to develop. So how can they learn to win the dirty ball. We areoles behind all of the other counties on physicality game. Lovely wristy skill full players but that's it.

thinkstoomuch1

ray Ryan been average today
They have no forwards.

Michael cussen got 1-2
Let's keep in perspective goal he got shouldered poor loughin over line wouldn't do any top full back like English, lawlor, club full back mannix, colm Spillane

Two points were breaking balls he had ocean space
How many balls win air???? One for goal but in and out When battle started he went missing in the game
Misses two golden chances goal
Woeful from so call hurler expected play cork 14 this year
Need greatest couldn't get point woeful miss experienced guy right at end just like Waterford munster final drawn gam 2010 win it for cork
I asked??half time in post would he need greatest stand up and perform
No he didn't again

Paddy loughin is super hurling I said it many times here's

If I was Kilmallock id put limerick minor paddy loughin on him start he would held him as young paddy has balls steel great in air bite in he's hurling
Yes this is hurling but same weak areas game he will carry football, no way will he do in killarney yet some cork media blow him up no end just like they blow up sarsfields

I said after county final they were average, I thought they could won this more so Kilmallock being poor but jesus this is awful indictment cork club hurling
I said at half time could loose

They talk talk every year bought winning munster but they fail
To hear the utter utter nonense. Drivel bought being great cork teams up their newtonshwndrum after winning four cork titles in six years is a disgraceful insult imo to a great I mean great club in newtown actually won munster club all irelands contested one and should not be compared same level them imo

They wouldn't come close tying shoelaces of newtown
Cork county championship is poor that's why they win but stronger this year but glen being tired helped them.
Glen would beaten them two weak break

I'm a realistic and I won't be fooled by four county's, I'll judge them as average team, best bad lot in cork but out of their depth in munster
I hope they don't win county for the foreseeable future as no good cork hurling in munster

Minors and 16 are good and in time English Murphy Hackett lepold be very good.

Paddy loughin made superb impact for Kilmallock as sub in unfamiliarity role forward role
I said this guy should start
Got winning score, as over when mulchay pointed

Hers young Lad playing harty cup charville minor again this year not forward, gets winning point. No excuse cian mccarthy poor displays play or cussen easy miss end
Loughin point was from awful angle I said Many times limerick thread he is super talent
I'm very rarely wrong I must admit when judging a player or manager
Cratloe will beat them handy though

Most sarsfields scores from frees. Refs in cork too soft
I said it during week Fergal horgan let's lot go
He does so tough non basket ball referee doesn't suit some sarsfields hurlers imo
He gave them a soft free imo and should blown free against them when drew game imo so they can't have any complaint imo
Kilmallock tired and sarsfields fitness couldn't do it still
Woeful day for cork club hurling

Cork double no offence but please don't do this crap with me

Let's be crystal clear if player great I say it if bad I say it.
This is real sport and here many shrewd posters give no nonsense real analysis


What's my problem?cian mac
Usual what's your agenda nonense some go with, just cause you critical. I had same rubbish at me over Andrew sullivan, Hayes, john mcloughlin last year.
I was unfortunately right my criticism on field play.

Player purely field play I judge
My problem as so kindly put it is on field play today, was poor from play, forget bout frees
Let me enlighten you, frees not justifiable alone to wear cork shirt one point in normal time play, I dont know what you expect cork players, I expect more lad five years senior intercounty expierence

Two points plays in extra time bit late in day for me to say wow well done great game
Plucked few balls but was poor enough
This is real hurling with respect cork double do me favour cut crap what's my problem cian mac as if it's personal
It's not, I judge him hurling alone
In fact as many testify here I advocated he get games two year ago, but he's got he's chances
Tg4 have game on player, I suggest you rewatch it,me like many, shamboc here are valid in saying from play he was poor


This Is hurling not American football where you have luxury bringing on guys just dead balls then take them off again
Must perform in open play
So to answer your question in a nutshell my problem is field play today imo he had a poor game.
I hope that answers your question


White feather totally agree with you

thinkstoomuch1

Rebel norrie wrote: »

Very poor game. SARS only for Kearney would have been hammered. Cork hurling very poor. A lot if this is due to refs constantly blowing their whistle for stupid things. Even at juvenile level rucks are not allowed to develop. So how can they learn to win the dirty ball. We areoles behind all of the other counties on physicality game. Lovely wristy skill full players but that's it.

Short but sweet superb post lot harsh truths there

sean mac

sars record outside cork is appalling considering they have been dominant in the county for the last 6 years, once I saw the tightness of the pitch I new they would be in trouble but at least unlike some other years they gave it everything this time. All the usual talk coming out of glanmire for the last few weeks about doing it in munster etc not good enough unfortunately, not entirely their fault, physicality free hurling like the cork senior championship don't help teams for the real world of hurling.

thinkstoomuch1

I'd agree Sean but ptich.Then should suit their lack of pace and Ryan martin fraggie cussen cian mac twas made for them
Sean how do you rate cussen today cian mac cork perspective

Dan kearney was immense best player all year them and cork v tipp best midfielder cork up there anything in country imo bar Hogan who is class above every one

Should nominated all star
Imo cork players year on merit I hope cadogan doesn't get it

Rebel norrie

Take Kearney out of the SARS team and they are very very average. Cork hurling needs to be rebuilt from the grassroots. Starting with club championship. Four groups of four clubs only. Top two in each group into 1/4 finals. Bottom four play in relegation battle. All matches mean something. Higher intensity matches. Improves players. Refs must let more flow in games at all levels. Young kid must learn how win a ball while under pressure. It might take a few years but it has to be done. I coach young kids and love doing it but unless refs stop been whistle happy what's the point in teaching them how to shoulder break tackels , pull on the ball in the air .Hurling is a mans game. But in cork it's whistle happy refs game.