Weight: Energy Balance Model Vs Hormonal Model

laoch na mona · 05-11-2014 08:06PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Why?

breakfast is fry time

frys are low carb

Bruno26 · 05-11-2014 08:29PM

generic2012 wrote: »

My caloric intake for weight maintenance is 3,000 calories. If I ate 20g of carbs, 100g of protein and 3,000 calories from fat would I;

A. gain weight
B. lose weight
C maintain weight?

One letter answer will suffice

D. Fat loss

Have you finished your reading yet?

Bruno26 · 05-11-2014 08:29PM

laoch na mona wrote: »

breakfast is fry time frys are low carb

I know but that's not what I asked.

generic2012 · 05-11-2014 08:41PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

D. Fat loss

Have you finished your reading yet?

Yes.

None of the articles you've linked show or even purport to show that anyone can lose fat in a caloric surplus. Have you started reading yet?

cc87 · 05-11-2014 09:02PM

What in the name of jebus is the point in this thread??

What possible use is it to the average obese joe on to the street that he needs to keep his hormones in check to lose weight?? "that insulin be wreckin you brah"

So what if it plays a role? So does the mountain of sh!te he eats and the hours he spends sitting on his arse trolling on boards

Which is gonna be easier for him do?? Learn how to sort out his hormones??

Or just move a bit more, get up and walk around, interact with people, develop social skills that will allow him to form meaningful arguments in order to get his point across and not just blindly follow the most recent rant on marksdailyapple without really understanding it or the research behind it

Bruno26 · 05-11-2014 09:16PM

cc87 wrote: »

What in the name of jebus is the point in this thread??

What possible use is it to the average obese joe on to the street that he needs to keep his hormones in check to lose weight?? "that insulin be wreckin you brah"

So what if it plays a role? So does the mountain of sh!te he eats and the hours he spends sitting on his arse trolling on boards

Which is gonna be easier for him do?? Learn how to sort out his hormones??

Or just move a bit more, get up and walk around, interact with people, develop social skills that will allow him to form meaningful arguments in order to get his point across and not just blindly follow the most recent rant on marksdailyapple without really understanding it or the research behind it

You're very confused.

It plays a role in making him fat because of the mountain of **** he eats.

You don't sort out your hormones. You sort out the food you eat.

You cannot out exercise a bad diet.

You then essentially say why learn about the role of insulin but then you go and follow some rant but don't do the research into why you do it. Very contradictory.

generic2012 · 05-11-2014 10:16PM

cc87 wrote: »

Or just move a bit more, get up and walk around, interact with people, develop social skills that will allow him to form meaningful arguments in order to get his point across and not just blindly follow the most recent rant on marksdailyapple without really understanding it or the research behind it

Mellor · 05-11-2014 11:46PM

Bruno26 wrote:

I'd need to know the weight of the person- under or over. The foods they are eating, the time frame. Someone may put weight on easily while another person may struggle to put weight on. To be honest I'm more interested in losing fat / maintaining weight than someone bulking with this method. Hard to say but they may need to eat lots of starch veg and fruit if they want to put weight on.

They are neither under of over weight, lets say a BMI of 23, 75kg, 14% Bodyfat. ie, smack bang in them middle of normal all around. They put on and lose weight at a normal rate.

Lets say daily energy needs are 2,500cals
The eat 3,000 cals daily. All real food, meats veg, eggs, dairy etc.
225g Protein (30%)
167g Fat (50%)
150g Carbs (20%)

They lift heavy stuff, run short distances fast, and jump onto and over stuff.
Killing animal's with spears is kept to a minimum. Animals should be hunted and killed for food when ever possible
Animal edit for generic

Bruno26 wrote: »

Those studies clearly show its the hormonal model.

If the third group was in calorie deficit, even though they were unrestricted, then its reinforces the energy model.

generic2012 · 05-11-2014 11:54PM

[QUOTE=Me

Mellor wrote: »

They are neither under of over weight, lets say a BMI of 23, 75kg, 14% Bodyfat. ie, smack bang in them middle of normal all around. They put on and lose weight at a normal rate.

Lets say daily energy needs are 2,500cals
The eat 3,000 cals daily. All real food, meats veg, eggs, dairy etc.
225g Protein (30%)
167g Fat (50%)
150g Carbs (20%)

They lift heavy stuff, run short distances fast, and jump onto and over stuff.
Killing animal's with spears is kept to a minimum. Animals should be hunted and killed for food when ever possible
Animal edit for generic

A piece of literary genius, in decades people will be going on to forums and using your books where the should be using scientific articles!

28/5

Mellor · 06-11-2014 12:08AM

generic2012 wrote: »

It was believable until I saw the amount of protein and inadequate numbers of animals speared.

3/5

Ok, i've edited that for you. Please update your score and quote.

generic2012 · 06-11-2014 12:25AM

Mellor wrote: »

Ok, i've edited that for you. Please update your score and quote.

Done!

Bruno26 · 06-11-2014 09:07AM

generic2012 wrote: »

[QUOTE=Me

Mellor wrote: »

They are neither under of over weight, lets say a BMI of 23, 75kg, 14% Bodyfat. ie, smack bang in them middle of normal all around. They put on and lose weight at a normal rate.

Lets say daily energy needs are 2,500cals
The eat 3,000 cals daily. All real food, meats veg, eggs, dairy etc.
225g Protein (30%)
167g Fat (50%)
150g Carbs (20%)

They lift heavy stuff, run short distances fast, and jump onto and over stuff.
Killing animal's with spears is kept to a minimum. Animals should be hunted and killed for food when ever possible
Animal edit for generic

A piece of literary genius, in decades people will be going on to forums and using your books where the should be using scientific articles!

28/5

Regardless of lifting or running with a diet like that they ain't getting fat.

Mellor · 06-11-2014 10:16AM

Bruno26 wrote: »

Regardless of lifting or running with a diet like that they ain't getting fat.

I never mentioned fat.

I said would their weight increase, decrease or stay the same?

Bruno26 · 06-11-2014 11:16AM

Mellor wrote: »

I never mentioned fat.

I said would their weight increase, decrease or stay the same?

Same or slight increase if they are of normal weight.

MaceFace · 06-11-2014 11:40AM

Bruno26 has sidetracked so many threads on this forum with the same mantra - 150g of carbs per day or less is all you need to worry about. Eat less, lose fat. Overall calorie intake is irrelevant.

In every single thread he has never explained why 150g is the magic number.

Every single thread ends the same way - dragging the argument into edge cases that no one really cares about.

Bruno26 · 06-11-2014 12:45PM

MaceFace wrote: »

Bruno26 has sidetracked so many threads on this forum with the same mantra - 150g of carbs per day or less is all you need to worry about. Eat less, lose fat. Overall calorie intake is irrelevant.

In every single thread he has never explained why 150g is the magic number.

.

I've explained it numerous times. It limits insulin production- this is why low carb works.

It's called offering an alternative viewpoint.

fungie · 06-11-2014 01:22PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

I've explained it numerous times. It limits insulin production- this is why low carb works.

It's called offering an alternative viewpoint.

Alternative viewpoints are to be encouraged I believe but you need a decent amount of evidence to back them up. That you don't have.

Bruno26 · 06-11-2014 01:23PM

fungie wrote: »

Alternative viewpoints are to be encouraged I believe but you need a decent amount of evidence to back them up. That you don't have.

6 links provided yesterday concluding low carb approach is best.

ford2600 · 06-11-2014 01:27PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

6 links provided yesterday concluding low carb approach is best.

If a group of people consumed 60-70% of their calories as carbohydrate for life would they be lean/overweight/obese?

If a such a group of people existed and weren't fat but lean and in rude health, where does that leave your 150g a day mantra?

Brian? · 06-11-2014 01:28PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

6 links provided yesterday concluding low carb approach is best.

Articles are not evidence. Studies are evidence.

Otherwise my Masters would be a lot easier.

Bruno26 · 06-11-2014 01:42PM

Brian? wrote: »

Articles are not evidence. Studies are evidence.

Otherwise my Masters would be a lot easier.

They were all studies.

Bruno26 · 06-11-2014 02:14PM

ford2600 wrote: »

If a group of people consumed 60-70% of their calories as carbohydrate for life would they be lean/overweight/obese?

If a such a group of people existed and weren't fat but lean and in rude health, where does that leave your 150g a day mantra?

It means they don't have IR.

Oryx · 06-11-2014 02:16PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

It means they don't have IR.

I still dont get this insulin resistance thing. Can you explain it better, please?

Brian? · 06-11-2014 02:52PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

They were all studies.

Then don't call them articles. I'll look back and find them.

MaceFace · 06-11-2014 03:33PM

Bruno26,

Nothing I have ever seen from you talks about 150g.
Low Carb is not a vague description. 150g is exact.

What happens the body below 150g that causes fat loss?

Is there a formula that can be applied assuming that 150g is for an average person and as we know, no one is truly average?
What should my limit be?

Bruno26 · 06-11-2014 04:42PM

Brian? wrote: »

Then don't call them articles. I'll look back and find them.

I said links (should have said links to studies). You called them articles- go back and check.

fungie · 06-11-2014 04:55PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

I said links (should have said links to studies). You called them articles- go back and check.

This thread is going nowhere fast.

Bruno26 · 06-11-2014 04:56PM

MaceFace wrote: »

Bruno26,

Nothing I have ever seen from you talks about 150g.
Low Carb is not a vague description. 150g is exact.

What happens the body below 150g that causes fat loss?

Is there a formula that can be applied assuming that 150g is for an average person and as we know, no one is truly average?
What should my limit be?

This expains it.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/press/the-primal-blueprint-diagrams/#axzz3IHue1EtF

Many critics of this guy on here but whatever works for people.

thegreatiam · 06-11-2014 05:02PM

so we've gone from eat what you like and you can't get fat. to maximum 150g of carbs to whatever works for you.

Oryx · 06-11-2014 05:03PM

Bruno26 wrote: »

This expains it.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/press/the-primal-blueprint-diagrams/#axzz3IHue1EtF

Many critics of this guy on here but whatever works for people.

It explains the theory, but doesnt prove it works!

Weight: Energy Balance Model Vs Hormonal Model

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