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Weight: Energy Balance Model Vs Hormonal Model

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Oryx wrote: »
    That article makes no reference to whether their calorific intake changed. It does however mention that they were very active as part of their 'old' lifestyle. And you have changed your argument from carbs to western diet.

    They got fat from changing to a western (carb processed) diet. Is it that difficult to comprehend?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    I'm gonna throw this out there and I realise it might sound crazy but...what about keeping an eye on your calories in and out AND eating good, unprocessed food?

    #maverick

    In doing the second part there is no need to do the first part.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    In doing the second part there is no need to do the first part.

    I don't have to leave my house to know that is bo!!ix


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    They got fat from changing to a western (carb processed) diet. Is it that difficult to comprehend?
    You lack specifics, you lack evidence. But other than that I get what youre trying to say. But its far too woolly and vague to back up the main argument youve tried to make here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    ford2600 wrote: »
    I don't have to leave my house to know that is bo!!ix

    Counting calories has been around approximately 100 years. Very few people were overweight prior to the twentieth century. Eat real unprocessed food- near impossible to be fat- therefore unnecessary to count.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭thegreatiam


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Counting calories has been around approximately 100 years. Very few people were overweight prior to the twentieth century. Eat real unprocessed food- near impossible to be fat- therefore unnecessary to count.

    starvation and poverty and having to toil 18 hours a day also makes it pretty easy to not care about calories.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    I haven't had a carb since 2006. Why is me so fat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭thegreatiam


    I haven't had a carb since 2006. Why is me so fat?

    hormones, you're riddled with em.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    I haven't had a carb since 2006. Why is me so fat?

    You have


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Counting calories has been around approximately 100 years. Very few people were overweight prior to the twentieth century. Eat real unprocessed foodsible to be fat- therefore unnecessary to count.

    I've eaten hflc in order to compete in ultra endurance cycling where it is highly advantageous "to me" to use my body fat as almost my entire energy supply.

    While eating that way I lost considerable body fat, 16% to 12% approximately.

    Fat loss wasn't a goal.

    At same time my wife wished to lose a little food, and did what you propose. It didn't work.
    Diet was excellent quality food with all grains rice pasta sugar excluded. She is now mixing portion control with a cardio/weight training and seeing results. She eats some good quality carb.

    So as I said I don't leave to leave my house to know what you propose isn't a silver bullet


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    ford2600 wrote: »
    I've eaten hflc in order to compete in ultra endurance cycling where it is highly advantageous "to me" to use my body fat as almost my entire energy supply.

    While eating that way I lost considerable body fat, 16% to 12% approximately.

    Fat loss wasn't a goal.

    At same time my wife wished to lose a little food, and did what you propose. It didn't work.
    Diet was excellent quality food with all grains rice pasta sugar excluded. She is now mixing portion control with a cardio/weight training and seeing results. She eats some good quality carb.

    So as I said I don't leave to leave my house to know what you propose isn't a silver bullet

    You hardly think the fact that you were training for ultra endurance cycling might be affecting your conclusion at all?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    hormones, you're riddled with em.

    Hhhmmmm, I don't remember eating them though! How many hormones are in a Snickers?
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    You have

    No waaaaaaay! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭ford2600


    You hardly think the fact that you were training for ultra endurance cycling might be affecting your conclusion at all?

    I've cycled on a much higher carb diet also. Fat loss, but not weight loss, only occured once I omitted carbs as main fuel supply.

    My conclusions pertain to me only. I'm very open to reasons as to why my example of one went the wsy it did!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    ford2600 wrote: »
    I've eaten hflc in order to compete in ultra endurance cycling where it is highly advantageous "to me" to use my body fat as almost my entire energy supply.

    While eating that way I lost considerable body fat, 16% to 12% approximately.

    Fat loss wasn't a goal.

    At same time my wife wished to lose a little food, and did what you propose. It didn't work.
    Diet was excellent quality food with all grains rice pasta sugar excluded. She is now mixing portion control with a cardio/weight training and seeing results. She eats some good quality carb.

    So as I said I don't leave to leave my house to know what you propose isn't a silver bullet

    I would need to see exactly what she ate before I could comment. On some of the podcasts I listen to it has been discussed that hflc may suit men better than women for some reason.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Any chance of anyone supplying an independent peer reviewed article that would suggest that calories don't matter if you eat high enough fat or you eat under 50 grams of carbs or whatever. Comparing the observational findings of an anecdotal society or one person cannot be considered as evidence, or lack of, of anything. It is far to unreliable and flimsy a source.

    If people believed things without evidence or because one person said something happened, which is what is being asked of people here, society would cease to exist. It's not a big ask.

    If something has an effect it can be measured.

    Just supply a peer reviewed article showing that measurement.

    If you say it can't be measured it should just be ignored using a swift stroke of occom's razor.

    If you say it doesn't have an effect then what are we talking about?

    TL;DR If what you talk about exists, then there is evidence of it existing. Show us that evidence in a reliable form such as an article that has gone through the peer review process. If there is no evidence of it existing then any who believes it exists is deluded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭siochain


    Hanley wrote: »
    Native Inuit people don't eat carbs. They're massively fat.

    Discuss.

    Fat and healthier than native [insert what ever nation you like] fat processed carb and trans fat muncher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Any chance of anyone supplying an independent peer reviewed article that would suggest that calories don't matter if you eat high enough fat or you eat under 50 grams of carbs or whatever. Comparing the observational findings of an anecdotal society or one person cannot be considered as evidence, or lack of, of anything. It is far to unreliable and flimsy a source.

    If people believed things without evidence or because one person said something happened, which is what is being asked of people here, society would cease to exist. It's not a big ask.

    If something has an effect it can be measured.

    Just supply a peer reviewed article showing that measurement.

    If you say it can't be measured it should just be ignored using a swift stroke of occom's razor.

    If you say it doesn't have an effect then what are we talking about?

    TL;DR If what you talk about exists, then there is evidence of it existing. Show us that evidence in a reliable form such as an article that has gone through the peer review process. If there is no evidence of it existing then any who believes it exists is deluded.

    Calories do matter- they just don't need to be counted if one eats a particular way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Calories do matter- they just don't need to be counted if one eats a particular way.

    How can you say that when there is no evidence to support your claim?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭thegreatiam


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Calories do matter- they just don't need to be counted if one eats a particular way.

    Driving in a particular way will ensure that you don't go over the limit even if you never look at your speedo. just because you dont track your calories doesnt mean that they are irrelevant.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭siochain


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    This statement is incorrect. It does not differentiate between traditional and modern Inuit diet. Yet it gets three thanks! Nobody dares critique. Herd mentality alive and kicking.

    The were always heavy but in many cases not all year due to the seasonal availability of their food supplies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    How can you say that when there is no evidence to support your claim?

    What- I said calories matter. Calories count but don't need to be counted. What's more important is where the calories come from- fat, protein or carb. There is lots of evidence to support this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭generic2012


    Bruno26 wrote: »

    Two reasons I know you didn't read the article;

    1. You didn't give the direct link.

    2. It doesn't back up your claim in the slightest.

    I can't believe I even bothered reading it. Please at least read some of the sh1te you link to and don't waste peoples' time. Please provide evidence that eating a high fat diet means you don't have to count calories.

    EDIT: Maybe I'm wrong and you did read it, sum it up for us there.
    Bruno26 wrote: »
    What- I said calories matter. Calories count but don't need to be counted. What's more important is where the calories come from- fat, protein or carb. There is lots of evidence to support this.

    If that's the case provide it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭fungie


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    What- I said calories matter. Calories count but don't need to be counted. What's more important is where the calories come from- fat, protein or carb. There is lots of evidence to support this.

    your argument makes little sense, so now calories do matter now?

    counting calories is a completely different thing. Protein and fats are more satiating than carbs per calorie but most defining thing is the amount of calories.

    The definition of a calorie is:

    The amount of heat required to raise the temperature of a kilogram of water by one degree Celsius.

    This is regardless of whether it comes from a carb, protein, fat, lightbulb, etc..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭thegreatiam


    fungie wrote: »
    The definition of a calorie is:

    The amount of heat required to raise the temperature of a kilogram of water by one degree Celsius.

    This is regardless of whether it comes from a carb, protein, fat, lightbulb, etc..

    I heard petrol is 11 calories per gram


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    I heard petrol is 11 calories per gram

    About 3 if you buy it up around Dundalk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭fungie


    I heard petrol is 11 calories per gram

    Hence why I drink loads of it. Its not a carb so I can have as much as I want.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    Two reasons I know you didn't read the article;

    1. You didn't give the direct link.

    2. It doesn't back up your claim in the slightest.

    I can't believe I even bothered reading it. Please at least read some of the sh1te you link to and don't waste peoples' time. Please provide evidence that eating a high fat diet means you don't have to count calories.

    EDIT: Maybe I'm wrong and you did read it, sum it up for us there.



    If that's the case provide it.

    Read it again more slowly this time! I've provided my reasoning on this numerous times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Bruno26


    fungie wrote: »
    your argument makes little sense, so now calories do matter now?

    counting calories is a completely different thing. Protein and fats are more satiating than carbs per calorie but most defining thing is the amount of calories.

    The definition of a calorie is:

    The amount of heat required to raise the temperature of a kilogram of water by one degree Celsius.

    This is regardless of whether it comes from a carb, protein, fat, lightbulb, etc..

    I never said they didn't matter. If most of your calories come from real food you don't get fat.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    I never said they didn't matter. If most of your calories come from real food you don't get fat.

    Im on my phone so I can't check your exact wording but youve pretty consistently implied calories do not matter.


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