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Swimming for Tri

  • 26-10-2014 9:18pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭


    I was going too post on another thread but this could be a good topic.

    Primarily set up to support, I'll say one thing first

    Never underestimate the natural resourcefulness of people, particularly with a stretchy goal in mind.

    First question, if you can barely manage a width of the pool or swim oceans, do you like swimming?

    I'm amazed how many triathletes actually don't like swimming. Treating it as a necessary evil. Box ticking aside, if you don't enjoy it, why the hell are you doing it? There are other multi sport races that involve biking and running and no swim or a token splash!

    If you do/did like swimming but are just starting out, I urge you to be patient and consistent with it. Learn slowly and learn to feel the stroke. It is one of the most satisfying skills to learn as an adult.

    Don't do a drill unless you understand what part of the stroke it is for, how it is supposed to feel. Then, can you pin point that drill in your stroke? Do you notice how it benefits the stroke? Are you practising between lessons?

    Does your session involve a half dozen drills, of which you are supposed to wholesale apply to a magically new efficient stroke?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭ToTriOrNot


    Problem with group sessions is that there is no much time to go over what each individual is doing well or not!

    One thing is, swimming in the pool and in open water is very different!! But I have gone from not swimming in the sea, to swim almost 3km in less than a couple of months. Safety first of course, do not swim alone, but get into the open water as soon as possible with experience people. Plenty of meets happening once the "cold" is gone.

    I feel however, that as an adult who already knew how to swim, it's very difficult to correct all the bad bits!!!! I am hoping to get more practice and probably 1 on 1 lessons with the coach, also having a partner/ husband/ friend going to the pool/ sea helps a lot..My husband is the driving force behind my new found love for sea swimming!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    ToTriOrNot wrote: »
    I feel however, that as an adult who already knew how to swim, it's very difficult to correct all the bad bits!!!!

    This +1000, I had no coaching at all from age 13-ish until deciding to give triathlon a go at age 29 and I've needed so much stroke correction it's not even funny. I do actually enjoy swimming though, which helps matters...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    This +1000, I had no coaching at all from age 13-ish until deciding to give triathlon a go at age 29 and I've needed so much stroke correction it's not even funny. I do actually enjoy swimming though, which helps matters...

    There is a difference between knowing how to swim and knowing how not to drown.

    Most adults can't swim but won't drown (too easily)


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    I did about ten lessons as a kid and took up swimming again 5 years ago. My regret is I did not get enough one on one coaching in the initial stages, so I compounded bad technique which is now very hard to undo. Learn the technique well first, nice and slow as shotgun says, so you have a good foundation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭zico10


    I didn't want a new thread for this, so I'll ask here. Has anybody ever used either of these two pieces of kit?

    http://www.swimcyclerun.com/swim-accessories/finis-booster-paddles.html

    or

    http://www.swimcyclerun.com/swim-accessories/finis-forearm-fulcrum.html

    How have you found them? Apart from the strength training benefits of the paddles, would there be much difference between the two? Are they as good as Finis are making them out to be?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    zico10 wrote: »
    I didn't want a new thread for this, so I'll ask here. Has anybody ever used either of these two pieces of kit?

    http://www.swimcyclerun.com/swim-accessories/finis-booster-paddles.html

    or

    http://www.swimcyclerun.com/swim-accessories/finis-forearm-fulcrum.html

    How have you found them? Apart from the strength training benefits of the paddles, would there be much difference between the two? Are they as good as Finis are making them out to be?

    Used the Forearm Fulcrum, I get the idea of what they are to do, but hated them and found they just annoyed me.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Couldnt make much of fulcrums either. I saw little benefit, maybe you have to be strong technically to start with, a friend who is a strong swimmer, reckons they are the best invention ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    fulcrums can be good for some would be total waste for yourself .
    the bolster 1 year ago could have been useful for you but given that you have an issue with 3rd phase i would not have recommneded it either .

    I know people that like the fulcrum ,i dont like them , I have only recommended them to 2 people and see only a very small niche market for them .

    instead of bolster b2race have a better paddle - at least in my mind - name has slipped my mind ( approx 9 cm wide 25 cm long and yellow one end is shaped like a triangle ) and would still allow you to focus on good third phase beside an high elbow

    finis makes some really good stuff but both produsts i would call niche products maybe very useful for 10 %





    zico10 wrote: »
    I didn't want a new thread for this, so I'll ask here. Has anybody ever used either of these two pieces of kit?

    http://www.swimcyclerun.com/swim-accessories/finis-booster-paddles.html

    or

    http://www.swimcyclerun.com/swim-accessories/finis-forearm-fulcrum.html

    How have you found them? Apart from the strength training benefits of the paddles, would there be much difference between the two? Are they as good as Finis are making them out to be?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    peter kern wrote: »
    fulcrums can be good for some would be total waste for yourself .
    the bolster 1 year ago could have been useful for you but given that you have an issue with 3rd phase i would not have recommneded it either .

    I know people that like the fulcrum ,i dont like them , I have only recommended them to 2 people and see only a very small niche market for them .

    instead of bolster b2race have a better paddle - at least in my mind - name has slipped my mind ( approx 9 cm wide 25 cm long and yellow one end is shaped like a triangle ) and would still allow you to focus on good third phase beside an high elbow

    finis makes some really good stuff but both produsts i would call niche products maybe very useful for 10 %

    You mean the Finis Freestyler. I was thinking of that for Zico as well for some reason.

    I have the Freestyler and I think it is a nice paddle, as Peter says helps the 3rd phase, but I also find the timing and glide as well, also the high elbow, all round nice paddle, awkward as can be to touch turn with mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I see a lot of the masters and tri groups using the freestyler paddles, including several in your group(s) Peter, I must try them out.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭ToTriOrNot


    What tools can be used to avoid over crossing? (I can't see myself, but I have been told by several people that I have an awful overcrossing!!)

    I have the Speedo Tech Paddles, and I must say it's my least favorite toy in the kit bag!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    ToTriOrNot wrote: »
    What tools can be used to avoid over crossing? (I can't see myself, but I have been told by several people that I have an awful overcrossing!!)

    I have the Speedo Tech Paddles, and I must say it's my least favorite toy in the kit bag!!!

    Paddles, by and large, are not for the newbie swimmer.

    A length of about 12 inches of a broom handle. Swim with one hand always on the very end of the pole. Hold it until the other hand grabs it at the other very end, repeat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭ToTriOrNot


    tunney wrote: »
    Paddles, by and large, are not for the newbie swimmer.

    A length of about 12 inches of a broom handle. Swim with one hand always on the very end of the pole. Hold it until the other hand grabs it at the other very end, repeat.

    hehehe, they just would love it if I turn up to the pool with a broom handle and try to swim with it!!!

    Also, define newbie swimmer??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    ToTriOrNot wrote: »
    hehehe, they just would love it if I turn up to the pool with a broom handle and try to swim with it!!!

    Also, define newbie swimmer??

    will rephrase "a swimmer with poor technique"

    Why not? 12 inches of a broom handle or a bit of plastic piping. bet you the signs don't say
    "No diving
    no petting
    no running
    no mini broom handles"


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭ToTriOrNot


    tunney wrote: »
    will rephrase "a swimmer with poor technique"

    That's more accurate, thanks!!!


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    ToTriOrNot wrote: »
    hehehe, they just would love it if I turn up to the pool with a broom handle and try to swim with it!!!

    Also, define newbie swimmer??
    I guarantee you my bright pink snorkel, and tying my feet together with rubber gets worse looks than a broomstick would.

    Tell the kids in the pool youre a halloween witch on a day off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭ToTriOrNot


    Oryx wrote: »
    I guarantee you my bright pink snorkel, and tying my feet together with rubber gets worse looks than a broomstick would.

    Tell the kids in the pool youre a halloween witch on a day off.

    Witches don't take the day off!!!

    I did struggle with my bilateral breathing, but seem to have got the hang of it now, I even enjoy breathing every 4 or 5..
    Tell me more about your pink snorkel


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    ToTriOrNot wrote: »
    Witches don't take the day off!!!

    I did struggle with my bilateral breathing, but seem to have got the hang of it now, I even enjoy breathing every 4 or 5..
    Tell me more about your pink snorkel
    Its used for drills, so you can focus on what you are doing rather than the need to take a breath.


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭ToTriOrNot


    Oryx wrote: »
    Its used for drills, so you can focus on what you are doing rather than the need to take a breath.

    I get you, so you get your technique right first, and then you just add the breathing?

    Really need to get some one on one soon, or even a video analysis to see where I am going wrong...I know I have poor technique, and that it will take time to correct, but as I can't see what I am doing wrong, it's very difficult just to do the drills and expect the issues will correct themselves!
    Any recommendations for video analysis (if it's not much to ask Munster side, rather than Dublin)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    ToTriOrNot wrote: »
    I get you, so you get your technique right first, and then you just add the breathing?

    Really need to get some one on one soon, or even a video analysis to see where I am going wrong...I know I have poor technique, and that it will take time to correct, but as I can't see what I am doing wrong, it's very difficult just to do the drills and expect the issues will correct themselves!
    Any recommendations for video analysis (if it's not much to ask Munster side, rather than Dublin)

    I don't know of anywhere in Munster but it might be worth checking with STL on gotri.ie. I believe they have a swim flume in Shannon now


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭gerfmurphy


    I'm looking for video analysis and 121 in dublin / Meath if anyone can recommend anyone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    gerfmurphy wrote: »
    I'm looking for video analysis and 121 in dublin / Meath if anyone can recommend anyone

    I've no personal experience but a few people on here have used Eanna in Base2Race for analysis and 1-2-1.

    Personally if I were on the East coast I'd be looking to attend some of the sessions hosted by interested, Peter Kern or Tango


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭mossym


    there is a swim clinic held in athlone, day long, video analysis of your swim, drills training, individual feedback and recommended improvement work. i did it last year and was a big help. not sure if it is still going but i have the contact details somewhere


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    mossym wrote: »
    there is a swim clinic held in athlone, day long, video analysis of your swim, drills training, individual feedback and recommended improvement work. i did it last year and was a big help. not sure if it is still going but i have the contact details somewhere
    I did that too, found it very good, but I would like to have been closer to Athlone to get some follow up after a few weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Mr Tango


    tunney wrote: »
    You mean the Finis Freestyler. I was thinking of that for Zico as well for some reason.

    I have the Freestyler and I think it is a nice paddle, as Peter says helps the 3rd phase, but I also find the timing and glide as well, also the high elbow, all round nice paddle, awkward as can be to touch turn with mind.

    Please learn to tumble turn!!!!!!! Ur pool times will improve (incentive)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    I think the best tool to prevent overcrossinging is to use your brain and think what you are doing (Just in case as some will think iam trying to make fun i really mean it .


    you have to define cross over at arm entry or during the stroke .
    if under the water I would stay away from tyr catalyst paddles then . and the finis agility paddles could help as you will almost lose them if you come to a too akward positon (which most people achieve when they cross over
    a good drill could be using the rope of the pool and do a 1 arm backstroke drill using one arm to propel yourself through the water .



    as for paddles for technique .....
    its an very interesting subject some very good coaches love them ( i guess at the most exteme spectrum brett sutton for pro paddles and some verg good coaches dislike them ( garry rodriguez for instance)

    I understand why sutton likes them as he has a way to make it work for his poor technique swimmer . So i think yes thers is a injury risk but you can find ways around ( you have to eliminate start stop swimming ) and paddles can give good feedback .
    people shoud start to use small paddles ( sometimes it has to be paddles for 8-9 year olds for adults and adapt to them slowly.

    at the same time is somebody hates to swim with paddles dont make your live a missery becasue you think you have to use them ( or maybe try other paddles )

    ToTriOrNot wrote: »
    What tools can be used to avoid over crossing? (I can't see myself, but I have been told by several people that I have an awful overcrossing!!)

    I have the Speedo Tech Paddles, and I must say it's my least favorite toy in the kit bag!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭SucCes09


    This has probably been brought up before, but I would be interested in hearing more about whether kicking should be "active" for those looking to do IM distance swimming. I typically just drag my feet behind, and only kick when breathing to keep the momentum. Mr Tango was kind enough to share some sets with me, and there was a set in most of the drills that was focused on the kick aspect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭BTH


    Mr Tango wrote: »
    Please learn to tumble turn!!!!!!! Ur pool times will improve (incentive)

    I've learned to tumble. But I'm still quicker when I don't tumble. And what's pool times got to do with triathlon racing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    BTH wrote: »
    I've learned to tumble. But I'm still quicker when I don't tumble. And what's pool times got to do with triathlon racing?


    in your case not going swimmng seems to have a lot to do with your results ;-)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    BTH wrote: »
    I've learned to tumble. But I'm still quicker when I don't tumble. And what's pool times got to do with triathlon racing?

    Less recovery with a tumble so more accurate of OW swimming


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    BTH wrote: »
    I've learned to tumble. But I'm still quicker when I don't tumble.

    Either you're a crap tumbler or you haven't really learned. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭pgibbo


    BTH wrote: »
    I've learned to tumble. But I'm still quicker when I don't tumble. And what's pool times got to do with triathlon racing?

    Are you quicker or were you just pushing harder at the end of the session when you stopped tumble turning? Maybe you were conserving energy earlier in the session?

    The turns looked decent enough to me but heh, what do I know


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    gerfmurphy wrote: »
    I'm looking for video analysis and 121 in dublin / Meath if anyone can recommend anyone

    I've been to a swim analysis day in Athlone Sports and Regional - should be another one in November. Underwater from the front, back and side and overwater cameras to watch your swimming. I did it back in April then had very little time in the pool between then and august so probably not very effective for me but would recommend if you're going to view and use your videos. Think Oryx has done same course.

    The lads will give analysis of your stroke also and pinpoint what you should work on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I've done the same course - last November in fact - with Charlie Naughton and David Warby, both recognised swimmers. Good day out, decent video footage, and a drill pack to work out your own plan or speak to your coach about. You can get details about the next one on the Athlone Tri Club website.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭BTH


    peter kern wrote: »
    in your case not going swimmng seems to have a lot to do with your results ;-)

    I'm actually back swimming again and, touch wood, swimming pretty well.
    tunney wrote: »
    Less recovery with a tumble so more accurate of OW swimming

    Yep, hence the attempts to learn to tumble.

    Dory Dory wrote: »
    Either you're a crap tumbler or you haven't really learned. ;)

    I'm a crap tumbler, yes. 2600m into last night's session my tumbles were getting slow and sloppy, so I stopped doing them and started getting a little faster. I'll keep at them though.
    pgibbo wrote: »
    Are you quicker or were you just pushing harder at the end of the session when you stopped tumble turning? Maybe you were conserving energy earlier in the session?

    The turns looked decent enough to me but heh, what do I know

    I stopped tumbling when they got sloppy and slow. Was then able to turn quicker without them, but probably was pushing a little harder towards the end too but I'd argue it was easier to push on when not wasting time with craps turns.

    At least they looked ok :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Touch-turns = calf cramps
    Tumble-turns = no calf cramps

    I tried a lot of calf-cramp remedies before coming to this conclusion.
    (Still can't tumble when moving with quick traffic though, need more practice!)


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    I might as well ask this here... how close to the wall should you be when doing a tumble?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭joey100


    I'm only learning to tumble turn too, I've found you go alot closer to the wall than you think. No real marker for me, just when I think 'that wall is a bit close' is when I try. I'd say it makes me faster, even though they aren't the prettiest tumbles in the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,007 ✭✭✭griffin100


    tunney wrote: »
    Less recovery with a tumble so more accurate of OW swimming

    In my very first coached sessions the coach used to remove some of the lane ropes and get us to swim in a big loop never touching the pool walls (we had the whole pool booked). Makes you realise how much of a rest touch turning can give you (as does going from a 20m to a 50m pool).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    Oryx wrote: »
    I might as well ask this here... how close to the wall should you be when doing a tumble?

    Honestly, I never think of this as I've flipped my entire life :) , but generally speaking, you'll want to start thinking about your tumble when the "T" on the bottom of the pool is directly below you - which (after looking this measurement up) is 2 meters away from the wall. I, myself, have never bothered to break this down to such a degree (nor do I honestly know if I do in fact start my flip when the "T" is directly below me as I don't think about it as I do it)...but....I measured the distance from the tip of my fingers to my eyes, and that is 15 inches. So, as my eyes cross the "T", then that means the wall is approximately 63 inches from my finger tips, or, approximately one body length for me at my height....which seems a reasonable distance considering there will be forward momentum. However, finding that perfect distance to maximize push/thrust/efficiency is a bit of trial and error, but the "T" is a good starting point.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    When the one person crazy enough to try to get me to tumble turn was 'coaching' me...they told me to turn on the T...but have yee seen the height of me? WAY too far away from the wall...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    When the one person crazy enough to try to get me to tumble turn was 'coaching' me...they told me to turn on the T...but have yee seen the height of me? WAY too far away from the wall...

    And that's exactly why I used the terms: "generally speaking"..."trial and error"...and "good starting point". ;):)


  • Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Mr Tango


    When the one person crazy enough to try to get me to tumble turn was 'coaching' me...they told me to turn on the T...but have yee seen the height of me? WAY too far away from the wall...

    Id say once u go over the t one stroke and flip. Some people it is 2 strokes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 263 ✭✭Mr Tango


    SucCes09 wrote: »
    This has probably been brought up before, but I would be interested in hearing more about whether kicking should be "active" for those looking to do IM distance swimming. I typically just drag my feet behind, and only kick when breathing to keep the momentum. Mr Tango was kind enough to share some sets with me, and there was a set in most of the drills that was focused on the kick aspect.

    I would always advocate a small kick set as part of the session.

    Found nealry all triathletes dont.

    Any views???

    I think it helps for body position and efficiency in the water.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Mr Tango wrote: »
    I would always advocate a small kick set as part of the session.

    Found nealry all triathletes dont.

    Any views???

    I think it helps for body position and efficiency in the water.

    I've started doing this over the past while- do the warmup, then something like 10*(25kick, 25swim/drill, 10sec rest), then main set. It helps elevate the heart rate which feeds nicely into the main set. Beyond that, there are great long term benefits like you mention above. Kick in the latter part of a Tri swim is a great weapon.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    I tried flipping at the t today (god that sounds rude) and missed the wall completely. :) I think I lack the forward momentum certain other fish have! I need to be much closer to the wall.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Oryx wrote: »
    I tried flipping at the t today (god that sounds rude) and missed the wall completely. :) I think I lack the forward momentum certain other fish have! I need to be much closer to the wall.

    That's what happens to me. End up trying to push off water. It's far too much co-ordination for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Oryx wrote: »
    I tried flipping at the t today (god that sounds rude) and missed the wall completely. :) I think I lack the forward momentum certain other fish have! I need to be much closer to the wall.

    You need to be closer to the wall than you think, IMO. I watched the club kids do their turns and saw they turned much closer than the T; copied this myself and got better turns. Turn when you could almost touch the wall with your outstretched arm.

    Also, forward momentum is important, you'll turn better when travelling faster. Speed up before the turn by increasing your stroke/kick, or by doing a dolphin kick before the turn.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    When I was shown ages ago the turn started quite close. And my kid who turns really well told me to flip really close to the wall. As for momentum, I know it helps but in my case I have to fight the feeling that I'll end up pasted against the wall. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    Mr Tango wrote: »
    I would always advocate a small kick set as part of the session.

    Found nealry all triathletes dont.

    Any views???

    I think it helps for body position and efficiency in the water
    .

    certainly true

    and at the end of the day kicking even in triathlon can be very important at the start or around buoys or get the blood flowing at the end of the swim.

    some coaches would advocate that kicking isa good way to flash out the legs after a hard trainig session the day before .

    gernerally I think overall we can say that kiccking in pool swimming is more important than for openwater swimming and even more important than for wetsuit swimming .

    I think to determine for the individual if it is effective or not so effective one needs to consider what stroke one swims. ie if it is total immersion you need to be able to kick and to kick sets if you swim more like swim smooth ( to use the 2 biggest marketing brands in swimming) than you need less kicking once you are able to get your legs floating .


    essentially overall swiming is about to start stop as little as possible during the stroke and you have 6 ways to work on it
    -faster arm turn over or more kick,
    -holding the water better,
    -geting more streamlined
    -get fitter
    -or use toys like a wetsuit etc
    in reality its a mix of the 6main points )
    so there is not just one way of gettinga better swimmer
    ( i happen to think for TRI swiming the kick is the least important of the 6 if we can work on the other 5 aspects especially since in a wetsuit the kick becomes less effective but nobody can deny that its not an important part and there is parts of a race where i kick for my live)

    something a good coach told one of my clientes was do whatever you like,( question was why do you like cycling answer because i don thave to think about it so now most swiming is done that athelte has to think as little as possible) if you enjoy it you are going to get better. and the truth is the athlete is now enyojing swimming for the first time and this is the most important step of all of them . you wont get better if you dodnt enjoy it ( unless you have a real talent for it) for for most swimming is tough to learn so you better have a good time .

    to translte this inot the tuble turn question
    if BTH does feel better without tumble turning why would we change it since its not a game changer. what is more important is him getting into the pool ( am glad that sseems to be the case) and this is a game changer. at the same time for somebody else to learn to tumble turn can be very satisfacory and challenge and i can see no negaive effect whatsoever to be able to tumble turn. the positve thing is you realy learn what you can do with streamlining yourself.


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