Matchplay Ireland

Domo1982 · 07-10-2014 04:52PM

princess poppy wrote: »

What was the outcome here, seems like a peculiar situation, very unfair if you're penalised?

Why because he didn't read the rules and T&c's fully and somehow thought if was OK to be playing off 9 when his handicap at the time was 5? Come on princess!

Big error on his part and only one outcome I would imagine

BigChap1759 · 07-10-2014 05:01PM

Domo1982 wrote: »

Why because he didn't read the rules and T&c's fully and somehow thought if was OK to be playing off 9 when his handicap at the time was 5? Come on princess!

Big error on his part and only one outcome I would imagine

Ouch :pac:

bustercherry · 07-10-2014 05:19PM

I'd have to say I wouldn't feel comfortable continuing myself even when it is obvious it was a honest mistake.

I don't buy this the match is over nothing you can do about it either. In my case if the opponent from the previous match could not be reinstated in my place, I would still withdraw and give the next opponent a by. These things suck but there was a clear advantage gained regardless. Other people might feel different though.

On a side note, looking at some of the venom spouted on other threads regarding handicaps etc.... I'm surprised the usual suspects are not calling for Tones69's head. In fact Tones whatever you do don't admit to being a distance member also or this place could go into serious meltdown with red cards all over the shop

Tones69 · 07-10-2014 05:33PM

Domo1982 wrote: »

Why because he didn't read the rules and T&c's fully and somehow thought if was OK to be playing off 9 when his handicap at the time was 5? Come on princess!

Big error on his part and only one outcome I would imagine

As far as i knew (and a lot of others too) ur handicap was frozen from april 28th for the duration of the comp! Its not an error on my behalf at all, as said i should have been informed when i handed my cert in sunday morning but nothing was said to me. All sorted now anyway

Domo1982 · 07-10-2014 05:42PM

Tones69 wrote: »

As far as i knew (and a lot of others too) ur handicap was frozen from april 28th for the duration of the comp! Its not an error on my behalf at all, as said i should have been informed when i handed my cert in sunday morning but nothing was said to me. All sorted now anyway

Excellent - always good to do the honourable thing Tones. It is a gentlemans game after all. There will always be next year.

levitronix · 07-10-2014 05:48PM

Tones69 wrote: »

As far as i knew (and a lot of others too) ur handicap was frozen from april 28th for the duration of the comp! Its not an error on my behalf at all, as said i should have been informed when i handed my cert in sunday morning but nothing was said to me. All sorted now anyway

just wondering did you contact your opponent from sundays match and let him know you got shots that were not due ?

princess poppy · 07-10-2014 06:23PM

Tones69 wrote: »

As far as i knew (and a lot of others too) ur handicap was frozen from april 28th for the duration of the comp! Its not an error on my behalf at all, as said i should have been informed when i handed my cert in sunday morning but nothing was said to me. All sorted now anyway

I'm on your side mr 69!!

Given the amount of spurious handicaps out there I think they are very much overrated:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Dr_Colossus · 07-10-2014 09:05PM

Why is there a two shot distinction made before a new handicap becomes applicable? Either the handicap is frozen or it isn't and this criteria sounds like a proper mess and discouraging for all involved. I only heard about the competition in the last few weeks from a friend that also made the finals and he too was of the impression that your playing handicap right through the event was what you started on. Somewhat similar to a multiday competition that hasn't been closed yet so no handicap adjustments applicable. From what I've heard and read I I think Tones' assumption to play off 9 on the day in question was correct until told otherwise.

What if Tones was playing off 9.4 at the start of the competition but currently was down to 7.5, that would make him OK to play off his starting handicap of 9 throughout? But if he had dropped to 7.4 he would have to play the finals playing off 7, seems very arbitrary with the 2 shot figure seemingly plucked out of the air. I can see the merits of freezing the starting handicap to discourage players from handicap building for the finals but why not have it that you play from your lowest handicap of the proceeding 6 months?

I guess all these teething problems will get sorted over time as the organisers gain experience but until then it doesn't sound too appealing with the quite expensive initial entry fee, very expensive practice sessions organised with Carton House, the fiasco as to whether caddies were compulsory and distance measuring devices prohibited and then the terrible "goodie bags" presented to the finalists from having progressed through their county.

mickelson · 08-10-2014 08:40AM

Tones69 wrote: »

As far as i knew (and a lot of others too) ur handicap was frozen from april 28th for the duration of the comp! Its not an error on my behalf at all, as said i should have been informed when i handed my cert in sunday morning but nothing was said to me. All sorted now anyway

i hope your not dq'd for playing honest good golf!!

Domo1982 · 08-10-2014 09:34AM

mickelson wrote: »

i hope your not dq'd for playing honest good golf!!

"Honest Good Golf" - jesus wept!

Tones did not play by the rules - Rule 15 from T&C's to be exact.

The only thing honest here is the mistake - The responsibilty is on the player here and this 'nobody told me' defence is cheap and a little pathetic for a grown man to be hiding behind.

Tones seems like a good guy and is passionate about his golf but he's made an error here with regards to his handicap and has benefited as a result.

The correct decision needs to be reached for the good of the competition and for the sake of Tones reputation

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act

stitcheddepin · 08-10-2014 09:41AM

I played in this this year, up to county semi finals. agreed with some it is a good idea and has potential, but it was very badly run and that dampens it for me.
obviously the handicaps for singles matches are crucial, bringing in a rule about two shots differential or whatever for the finals is just plucking rules from the air. it benefits some and screws others so its simply not just. All players should play off GUI handicap at time of finals or, as stated in the rules (before they were altered), play off the handicap as of 1st may for the entirety of the competition.

mickelson · 08-10-2014 09:54AM

Domo1982 wrote: »

"Honest Good Golf" - jesus wept!

Tones did not play by the rules - Rule 15 from T&C's to be exact.

The only thing honest here is the mistake - The responsibilty is on the player here and this 'nobody told me' defence is cheap and a little pathetic for a grown man to be hiding behind.

Tones seems like a good guy and is passionate about his golf but he's made an error here with regards to his handicap and has benefited as a result.

The correct decision needs to be reached for the good of the competition and for the sake of Tones reputation

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act

Can you be 100% sure rule 15 was there in jan/feb

GreeBo · 08-10-2014 09:55AM

Tones69 wrote: »

As far as i knew (and a lot of others too) ur handicap was frozen from april 28th for the duration of the comp! Its not an error on my behalf at all, as said i should have been informed when i handed my cert in sunday morning but nothing was said to me. All sorted now anyway

but if its been listed in the rules since day 1.....?

Slicemeister · 08-10-2014 10:26AM

Tones did you confirm that rule wasn't in place pre-tournament?

carton1 · 08-10-2014 10:40AM

Seems to me that the handicap system in Irish golf needs to be reviewed .

levitronix · 08-10-2014 10:42AM

Tones69 wrote: »

As far as i knew (and a lot of others too) ur handicap was frozen from april 28th for the duration of the comp! Its not an error on my behalf at all, as said i should have been informed when i handed my cert in sunday morning but nothing was said to me. All sorted now anyway

I will back Tones69 up on this point, it should of been caught at check it, But while i was there i was asked my partner was asked and other people i spoke to were asked if their handicap had changed by more than two shots.

This rule has been in place since day 1 of the comp, the whole dymanics of tones69 match would changed greatly if played of his proper handicap. If i was beat this way id go bloody mental !! And i still wonder if his opponent was told he was robbed

carton1 · 08-10-2014 10:46AM

On the up side I think the matchplay is a great idea and one that should be supported. We don't have any competitions like this and I say fair play to them for doing this .I am going to enter next year (if there is a next year) and all you lads hiding behind your laptops -shame on you.

GreeBo · 08-10-2014 10:47AM

Domo1982 wrote: »

"Honest Good Golf" - jesus wept!

Tones did not play by the rules - Rule 15 from T&C's to be exact.

The only thing honest here is the mistake - The responsibilty is on the player here and this 'nobody told me' defence is cheap and a little pathetic for a grown man to be hiding behind.

Tones seems like a good guy and is passionate about his golf but he's made an error here with regards to his handicap and has benefited as a result.

The correct decision needs to be reached for the good of the competition and for the sake of Tones reputation

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act

Please attack the post and not the poster.

Slicemeister · 08-10-2014 10:48AM

carton1 wrote: »

On the up side I think the matchplay is a great idea and one that should be supported. We don't have any competitions like this and I say fair play to them for doing this .I am going to enter next year (if there is a next year) and all you lads hiding behind your laptops -shame on you.

Why?

levitronix · 08-10-2014 10:53AM

Slicemeister wrote: »

Why?

Well i think it great because its one of the only events in Ireland were the comp is not team based and golf is not really a true team sport. Id love more comps like this, id love to see a West of Ireland style comp for handicap golfers. lord mayors is only one that comes to mind

Slicemeister · 08-10-2014 10:57AM

levitronix wrote: »

Well i think it great because its one of the only events in Ireland were the comp is not team based and golf is not really a true team sport. Id love more comps like this, id love to see a West of Ireland style comp for handicap golfers. lord mayors is only one that comes to mind

Yeah I'd agree totally. Ill seriously consider entering myself as it's a challenge I'd love to set myself too.

Was asking why carton felt some posters had something to feel ashamed about.

carton1 · 08-10-2014 11:19AM

Seems like these guys are trying to provide amateur golfers with a platform to challenge themselves. I for one sometimes get sick to the back teeth listening to the blazer brigade telling us how important they are. Not enough young blood or ideas in golf and waaaaaay too many begrudgers . ( usually hiding in the locker rooms or commenting on websites where no one can see their blazers !)

Slicemeister · 08-10-2014 11:27AM

carton1 wrote: »

Seems like these guys are trying to provide amateur golfers with a platform to challenge themselves. I for one sometimes get sick to the back teeth listening to the blazer brigade telling us how important they are. Not enough young blood or ideas in golf and waaaaaay too many begrudgers . ( usually hiding in the locker rooms or commenting on websites where no one can see their blazers !)

I'm lost.

Where in this thread is there any begrudgery or likewise evident? I don't see it. A poster is unsure as to whether his handicap stood on competition day. So far he hasn't come back with an outcome ( nor is he obliged to).

I don't begrudge him anything as long as it's all proper. In fairness to him he's come a long way from being ridiculed to a serious golfer in under 2 years.

Tones69 · 08-10-2014 11:42AM

Dont really feel the need to be here justifying this and justifying that, its already sorted. As already stated, as was in rule 4 that all hcaps are frozen from april 28th for the duration of the comp. A LOT of people thought this was the case, and originally it was.
An awful lot of confusion and andrew confirmed that for me on the phone. People on the desk taking hcap certs on the morning knew the scenario on letting people know on hcaps but nothing was said. There was no talk of the 2 shot drop allowance over the whole tournament which has been goin on a long time now. And to that domo lad there im not retaliating to that or i will be banned, AGAIN

PARlance · 08-10-2014 11:43AM

Tones69 wrote: »

Dont really feel the need to be here justifying this and justifying that, its already sorted. As already stated, as was in rule 4 that all hcaps are frozen from april 28th for the duration of the comp. A LOT of people thought this was the case, and originally it was. There was no talk of the 2 shot drop allowance over the whole tournament which has been goin on a long time now. And to that domo lad there im not retaliating to that or i will be banned, AGAIN

Sorted being what Tones?

Tones69 · 08-10-2014 11:45AM

PARlance wrote: »

Sorted being what Tones?

Off 5 for wknd

Miley Byrne · 08-10-2014 11:48AM

Tones69 wrote: »

Dont really feel the need to be here justifying this and justifying that, its already sorted. As already stated, as was in rule 4 that all hcaps are frozen from april 28th for the duration of the comp. A LOT of people thought this was the case, and originally it was.
An awful lot of confusion and andrew confirmed that for me on the phone. People on the desk taking hcap certs on the morning knew the scenario on letting people know on hcaps but nothing was said. There was no talk of the 2 shot drop allowance over the whole tournament which has been goin on a long time now. And to that domo lad there im not retaliating to that or i will be banned, AGAIN

But was that rule about the 2 shot drop in from the beginning or was it added after you signed up do you know?

Slicemeister · 08-10-2014 11:54AM

Tones69 wrote: »

Off 5 for wknd

What did you play off in the last round?

Tones69 · 08-10-2014 12:00PM

Slicemeister wrote: »

What did you play off in the last round?

26

Slicemeister · 08-10-2014 12:04PM

Tones69 wrote: »

26

Thought as much.

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