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Water meter protests

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  • #542
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Maybe not, but they do complain about their ridiculously high cost of living.

    They get ridiculously high wages though, a bit like our sw payments are high, because it is bloody expensive to live here.


  • #543
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,717 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    It's not a catchphrase, it's a logical statement.

    Bollocks it is.

    The VAST majority of people in this country were/are living within their means...BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO.

    It's usually on **** that utter that awful phrase that would have a question over their head.

    The same prick that coined it in the first place, within the Irish context, was fucking off to France to buy 800 quid shirts.


  • #544
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Tony EH wrote: »
    The VAST majority of people in this country were/are living within their means...BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO.

    That would explain the high levels of mortgage and personal debt in the country.


  • #545
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    That would explain the high levels of mortgage and personal debt in the country.

    I see so were are unique to other countries, we take a loan out to buy a house they pay with cash ? Personal debt will be tied in with the massive increase of cost of living, e.g massive price of a house due to property bubble.


  • #546
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I see so were are unique to other countries, we take a loan out to buy a house they pay with cash ? Personal debt will be tied in with the massive increase of cost of living, e.g massive price of a house due to property bubble.

    Personal debt is a separate thing from from a mortgage for a start and it has very little to do with the cost of living. The cost of living involves food, clothing, electricity, heating etc. If you are needing to put yourself in debt to pay for these things then you are doing something wrong.

    And no, we aren't unique in taking out mortgages, we are just collectively idiots about it and overstretched ourselves during the boom years due to a lack of common sense by pretty much all parties involved.


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  • #547
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,717 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    And no, we aren't unique in taking out mortgages, we are just collectively idiots about it and overstretched ourselves during the boom years due to a lack of common sense by pretty much all parties involved.

    Nonsense.

    First of all, people took mortgages because in this country there's no other choice. Renting is not really an option for a normal family life.

    Second they took them out because they saw that paying back the debt WAS within their means, at that time.

    Lastly, they were deemed by the lenders to be able to pay it back.

    What has us in the shit is not the vast majority of the nation's people, it was an unregulated, rampant and irresponsible financial sector that gambled with incredible flippancy.

    Another legacy of of Conservative, centre right, governments who were over fond of privatisation, deregulation and allowed a property bubble explode, knowing full well the aftermath that would follow and which we all have to pay for now.


  • #548
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I see so were are unique to other countries, we take a loan out to buy a house they pay with cash ? Personal debt will be tied in with the massive increase of cost of living, e.g massive price of a house due to property bubble.

    In allot of other european countries people rent long term and don't take out stupid 100% mortgages to buy an overpriced house.
    Everyone going and buying a house is a very irish..spanish...greek thing to do.. spot the trend :P


  • #549
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,717 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    papu wrote: »
    In allot of other european countries people rent long term and don't take out stupid 100% mortgages to buy an overpriced house.

    Renting long term is simply not a realistic option in this country, as their are no rights for renters, or controls in the renter market.


  • #550
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    end of the road wrote: »
    exactly, so they should be honest about that fact

    The government have been. Irish Water haven't been dishonest, they've pointed out some hard facts about our unfit-for-purpose water infrastructure.
    end of the road wrote: »
    apart from things like pools waterslides and so on that people can live without, most people need to use the amount of water they do

    Exactly.
    end of the road wrote: »
    where do you think people are going to get the money to insulate their pipes? i'd love to know, leaving the taps on was a stupid idea but what else could people do, insulating pipes costs money that people don't have

    I dunno, I guess it would be part of the basic maintenance you're expected to carry out when you own a home? There's tax relief on all home improvements in the last few years and there's also SEAI grants for sustainability-related improvements.
    end of the road wrote: »
    you don't need to pay for them, you can avoid them if you really want to, if you can't then you will need to pay, anyway most of the roads were way way overspecked, could have been done without PPP if they were dual carrige ways instead apart from dublin cork/dublin belfast

    Nonsense. The roads were originally HQDC in a lot of cases and cost no more or less to build to that spec than motorway spec. They couldn't have been done without PPP other than with massive upfront exchequer investment which would have resulted in cuts to other things.


  • #551
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Nonsense.

    First of all, people took mortgages because in this country there's no other choice. Renting is not really an option for a normal family life.

    This is utter nonsense that people in this country repeatedly trot out to explain our bizarre Post-Colonial property ownership fetish.


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  • #552
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Renting long term is simply not a realistic option in this country, as their are no rights for renters, or controls in the renter market.

    There are allot of rights for renters , there is no cap in rental increases , and a shortage of housing but the fact is that the Germans actually pay more for housing—as a percentage of disposable income than ourselves...


  • #553
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,717 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    This is utter nonsense that people in this country repeatedly trot out to explain our bizarre Post-Colonial property ownership fetish.

    What a clownish statement.

    It isn't a "Post-Colonial property ownership fetish"

    It's a rightist, Thatcherite ideal adopted and encouraged by centre right parties in this country.

    For fuck sake :pac:


  • #554
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,717 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    papu wrote: »
    There are allot of rights for renters

    Don't be absurd.

    Renting in this is totally stacked in the landlord's favour.


  • #555
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Don't be absurd.

    Renting in this is totally stacked in the landlord's favour.

    Care to back that up? http://www.prtb.ie/home
    These throw away statements are becoming quite annoying.
    For all the naysaying you've never actually given any examples or backed up anything you've said..


  • #556
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,717 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Are you fucking serious?

    Rents let soar out of control.

    Upward only rent reviews.

    One year leases being the norm.

    No real comeback for renter complaints.

    Get your head out of the dirt and take a look around you.


  • #557
    jo06555
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭jo06555


    Is it true halting sites will not be getting water meters or charges?


  • #558
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    I got a flyer in the door tonight saying there'll be a protest in cabra tomorrow night.

    I'll supply the deck chairs and popcorn if anyone wants to watch :)

    I just hope they keep the noise down and don't wake my kids.


  • #559
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    Is it a protest against those resisting the water meters introduction and cooking up any crazy logic to justify trying to not pay their bill to IW ?


  • #560
    Anatom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Anatom


    jo06555 wrote: »
    Is it true halting sites will not be getting water meters or charges?

    For the moment yes. It impossible to accurately meter each site due to transient nature (i.e. comings and goings) of residents / mobiles etc. It'll be tackled at some stage but for now its a local council issue and decision as far as I know, not IW...


  • #561
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    hmmm wrote: »
    I'm all for people paying for what they use. If someone spends all day watering their gardens, I shouldn't have to pay the same amount in tax for water as they do. I'm even more in favour of people who pay no tax at all making some contribution to the costs involved.

    Are you opposed to someone breathing more air than you do, like maybe athletes?

    Are you opposed to th guy who plays for 7 hours in the public park as opposed to your 1 hour or the guy who reads 10 books a month from the public library as opposed to your 2?

    What about the dude who listens to twice the amount of radio broadcasts as you?


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  • #562
    dutopia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭dutopia


    Alf. A. Male wrote: »
    Well-intentioned but futile. Trying to combat any move like this, bin charges, water charges etc. is pointless at the stage when the bin lorry is outside or they're installing a meter, the horse has bolted. In general, Irish people need to become more informed, active, engaged and organised about protesting, not shouting at a workman when it's too late.

    Very well put indeed. There is a lot of complaining at the stage when people hear about plans like this but not enough action until it's too late.


  • #563
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    Anatom wrote: »
    For the moment yes. It impossible to accurately meter each site due to transient nature (i.e. comings and goings) of residents / mobiles etc. It'll be tackled at some stage but for now its a local council issue and decision as far as I know, not IW...


    Of course they won't get meters. Travellers wouldn't pay for water and the authorities would be scared sh!tless of trying to make them.


  • #564
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Are you opposed to someone breathing more air than you do, like maybe athletes?

    Are you opposed to th guy who plays for 7 hours in the public park as opposed to your 1 hour or the guy who reads 10 books a month from the public library as opposed to your 2?

    What about the dude who listens to twice the amount of radio broadcasts as you?
    None of this costs me. If someone is out watering their 4 acres of garden it does cost me (under the old system). Particularly if that someone pays little or no tax.


  • #565
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Personal debt is a separate thing from from a mortgage for a start and it has very little to do with the cost of living. The cost of living involves food, clothing, electricity, heating etc. If you are needing to put yourself in debt to pay for these things then you are doing something wrong.

    And no, we aren't unique in taking out mortgages, we are just collectively idiots about it and overstretched ourselves during the boom years due to a lack of common sense by pretty much all parties involved.

    You don't know what you are talking about.


  • #566
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    papu wrote: »
    In allot of other european countries people rent long term and don't take out stupid 100% mortgages to buy an overpriced house.
    Everyone going and buying a house is a very irish..spanish...greek thing to do.. spot the trend :P

    People rent in other countries because the rental market is regulated and tenants are protected. After spending a few years on the housing list it is possible to be able to rent a mouth-watering canal house apartment in Amsterdam for a weeks wages and have it capped like that for years.

    Stop saying the Irish are stupid for being obsessed with buying. The alternative to buying is getting fcuked. Can't you get that into your head?


  • #567
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    Is it a protest against those resisting the water meters introduction and cooking up any crazy logic to justify trying to not pay their bill to IW ?

    My household paid €45,000 in taxes and stealth charges last year, thats my 'crazy' logic for not giving IW a cent. That and the fact they are creating a monster quango monopoly for no reason that is soaking up good money that should have been used as capital. Care to argue with that justification?

    Don't be so self righteous and assume the moral high ground is yours.


  • #568
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    do people on social welfare pay these charges also?


  • #569
    Anatom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Anatom


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    do people on social welfare pay these charges also?

    Yes. The amount will depend on your individual circumstances. Read Conor Pope's article today in The Irish Times, or the IW website for info.


  • #570
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    Egginacup wrote: »
    People rent in other countries because the rental market is regulated and tenants are protected. After spending a few years on the housing list it is possible to be able to rent a mouth-watering canal house apartment in Amsterdam for a weeks wages and have it capped like that for years.

    Stop saying the Irish are stupid for being obsessed with buying. The alternative to buying is getting fcuked. Can't you get that into your head?

    Can't you get into your head that taking out huge loans with massive interest rates to pay for hugely inflated house prices was a F*king bad idea?


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  • #571
    blastman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭blastman


    hmmm wrote: »
    None of this costs me. If someone is out watering their 4 acres of garden it does cost me (under the old system). Particularly if that someone pays little or no tax.

    You really don't understand how taxation works....


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