I need feminism because...

allym · 25-09-2014 03:38PM

Candie wrote: »

It takes some amount of hate to use a woman in the way they used Watson. Absolute contempt for her as a person. And the hate it revealed in the comments online in reference to it is horrific.

But whatever you say.

Exactly. When I was talking about hate, I didn't just mean the threatening of leaking pictures, but some of the comments that we're being made about it. And again, even though the site turned out to be fake, the fact that people even believed that it was true, shows that it's something that could happen.

Morgase · 25-09-2014 07:03PM

I need feminism because:

A space engineer, who has prepared to become Russia's first female cosmonaut in years, gets asked questions about hairstyling and her children in the press conference preceding the flight.

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/25/female-cosmonaut-russia-yelena-serova-press-questions-hair-parenting

Russia’s Yelena Serova on Thursday prepared to become the first female cosmonaut in 17 years – but only after having to answer questions about her hairstyle and whether her daughter would cope while she was away.

The 38-year-old space engineer is due to blast off in a Soyuz spacecraft from the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan on Thursday with Russian cosmonaut Alexander Samokutyaev and Barry Wilmore of Nasa. She has spent seven years training for the role.

While the Soviet Union was the first to send a woman into space – Valentina Tereshkova in 1963 – it failed to build on that promising start and Serova will be just the fourth Soviet or Russian woman in space.

Serova has been barraged with questions focusing on her gender and how she will manage to bond with her 11-year-old daughter while she is away. She even offered to give a demonstration of washing her hair in space.

But her patience appeared to run out at a pre-launch press conference in Baikonur on Wednesday when a journalist asked her to comment again on how she would look after her hair aboard the International Space Station and whether she would keep her current style.

“Can I ask a question, too: aren’t you interested in the hair styles of my colleagues?” she said at the televised news conference, flanked by the male astronauts who will accompany her.

She stressed: “My flight is my job. I feel a huge responsibility towards the people who taught and trained us and I want to tell them: we won’t let you down!”

Serova was personally chosen by the then head of Russia’s space agency, Vladimir Popovkin. “We are doing this flight for Russia’s image,” he said. “She will manage it, but the next woman won’t fly out soon.”

The ISS has seen its share of female astronauts, most recently American flight engineer Karen Nyberg, who completed a six-month stint last year.

Serova was born in a village in eastern Russia and studied engineering at the prestigious Moscow Aviation Institute. Before being selected as a future cosmonaut in 2006, she worked as an engineer at the spaceship manufacturers RKK Energia and at the mission control centre.

Rosy Posy · 26-09-2014 04:54AM

Another thread on AH about a man wrongfully accused of rape. I don't condone the actions of the accusers in these cases and feel for the men who have had their reputations and more tarnished. However I hate that it always leads to questioning rape stats and an assumption that false convictions are rife. As a multiple rape survivor I have never reported a rape and of all the people I know who have suffered rape only one has pursued her attacker legally. It seems to me that sexual violence tends to be underreported, but from the attitude on some of these threads you would imagine the opposite. I also hate that I'm put off raising these points in the threads in question because of the undercurrent of misogyny that pervades them.

Annasopra · 26-09-2014 06:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Except the "amount of hate" referred to the fact that people were going to leak photos. Which they weren't.

I don't get your point at all really.

26-09-2014 07:11AM

Don't ever let the available information change your original outraged reaction I guess.

Annasopra · 26-09-2014 07:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't ever let the available information change your original outraged reaction I guess.

I dunno but it seems to me you're attempting to downplay and minimise the hate against her.

26-09-2014 07:32AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I dunno but it seems to me you're attempting to downplay and minimise the hate against her.

Of course it does.

Links234 · 26-09-2014 08:13AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9qVaMhnJB8

26-09-2014 09:44AM

Morgase wrote: »

I need feminism because:

A space engineer, who has prepared to become Russia's first female cosmonaut in years, gets asked questions about hairstyling and her children in the press conference preceding the flight.

The Female Cosmonaut wrote:

My flight is my job. I feel a huge responsibility towards the people who taught and trained us and I want to tell them: we won’t let you down!

The Head of the Russian Space Agency wrote:

We are doing this flight for Russia’s image. She will manage it, but the next woman won’t fly out soon

Whatever about the reporters ... what a vote of confidence from her boss!

The fish truly stinks from the head.

Morgase · 26-09-2014 11:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Whatever about the reporters ... what a vote of confidence from her boss!

The fish truly stinks from the head.

I know, it's like a pure box-ticking exercise for them. Fingers crossed for her that she doesn't cock up in any way, because if she does, that will be used as a justification for not sending female cosmonauts any time soon. Talk about pressure on her.

26-09-2014 11:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course it does.

Thats the second time you responded to a poster that way, without any proper explanation.

I get that you're implying that we're seeing hate that isn't there, but I just don't see how anyone can look at the way this girl was used and the comments it engendered and not see hate.

Maybe it's you who's choosing not to see the obvious.

TheBeardedLady · 26-09-2014 01:55PM

Rosy Posy wrote: »

Another thread on AH about a man wrongfully accused of rape. I don't condone the actions of the accusers in these cases and feel for the men who have had their reputations and more tarnished. However I hate that it always leads to questioning rape stats and an assumption that false convictions are rife. As a multiple rape survivor I have never reported a rape and of all the people I know who have suffered rape only one has pursued her attacker legally. It seems to me that sexual violence tends to be underreported, but from the attitude on some of these threads you would imagine the opposite. I also hate that I'm put off raising these points in the threads in question because of the undercurrent of misogyny that pervades them.

Yep. I know two women very well who were raped and who didn't report for fear of not being believed. Threads like do nothing to help and as you said, you're fighting a losing battle posting in those threads if you speak out against it. Horrible stuff. Horrible to think people with those attitudes are walking around.

26-09-2014 02:36PM

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Yep. I know two women very well who were raped and who didn't report for fear of not being believed. Threads like do nothing to help and as you said, you're fighting a losing battle posting in those threads if you speak out against it. Horrible stuff. Horrible to think people with those attitudes are walking around.

One case, thousands of miles away, and the usual suspects in AH are behaving as though they're under siege by thousands of lying women trying to ruin their lives.

It really betrays their underlying feelings towards women generally. They think so little of us.

Ironic that if any woman posted anything like the equivalent aimed at men she'd be lit on in a righteous fury.

eviltwin · 26-09-2014 03:03PM

Unfortunately there is still a mentality that real genuine rape is a woman being dragged off a street by some guy in a mask. It's more likely to be raped by someone you know, usually an intimate partner but that doesn't seem to generate the same repulsion. I've worked in the past with many women who were raped by their partner, not once can I recall any of those women reporting it to gardai. Can you blame them?

26-09-2014 03:15PM

Candie wrote: »

Thats the second time you responded to a poster that way, without any proper explanation.

I get that you're implying that we're seeing hate that isn't there, but I just don't see how anyone can look at the way this girl was used and the comments it engendered and not see hate.

Maybe it's you who's choosing not to see the obvious.

I'm not implying there isn't some "hate". What I'm getting at is the retconning of the outrage. So the original reason why that poster had nothing to do with the actual worry that the photos might be leaked, it was because some troll made a joke. The threatened leak is irrelevant now, it's the hate on 4chan.
I just find it amazing that a complete shift in circumstances and available information doesn't cause any change in opinion. It's just odd.

26-09-2014 03:16PM

Candie wrote: »

One case, thousands of miles away, and the usual suspects in AH are behaving as though they're under siege by thousands of lying women trying to ruin their lives.

It really betrays their underlying feelings towards women generally. They think so little of us.

Ironic that if any woman posted anything like the equivalent aimed at men she'd be lit on in a righteous fury.

What proportion of the posts on this thread relate to a specific case thousands of miles away?

iwantmydinner · 26-09-2014 03:23PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Unfortunately there is still a mentality that real genuine rape is a woman being dragged off a street by some guy in a mask. It's more likely to be raped by someone you know, usually an intimate partner but that doesn't seem to generate the same repulsion. I've worked in the past with many women who were raped by their partner, not once can I recall any of those women reporting it to gardai. Can you blame them?

"legitimate rape"

One of most damaging concepts to have ever been dreamt up

26-09-2014 03:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What proportion of the posts on this thread relate to a specific case thousands of miles away?

I think you're in the wrong place.

26-09-2014 03:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not implying there isn't some "hate". What I'm getting at is the retconning of the outrage. So the original reason why that poster had nothing to do with the actual worry that the photos might be leaked, it was because some troll made a joke. The threatened leak is irrelevant now, it's the hate on 4chan.
I just find it amazing that a complete shift in circumstances and available information doesn't cause any change in opinion. It's just odd.

Why is hate in quotations? Is it somehow faux? People were looking at the hate involved in the original scenario, then as the information changed they continued to wonder at the amount of hate from many quarters.

I hope that explains for you, why in a thread about why women need feminism, women are concerned about the display of hate involved in the Emma Watson case. Y'know, her being a woman and all.

We also need feminism because sometimes, this sort of hostility towards women is not only disbelieved and minimised, but any woman commenting on it can be called on to explain themselves to people who patently don't believe that a girl being used as a pawn to gain hits on a seedy website aimed at harassing and intimidating her, and who don't seem to think that woman haters on the internet calling her a whore whos' getting what she deserves for speaking about feminism, is worthy of comment or anger.

Lucyfur · 26-09-2014 07:42PM

MOD

Candie and Buttonftw, you're here long enough to know the rules. Back seat modding, whataboutery and mentioning other forums are against the forum charter. If you've an issue with a post, REPORT it.

Thanks.

nicowa · 26-09-2014 10:25PM

Because an intelligent capable female fighter pilot received comments on not being able "to park it", to receiving a "salute" and to being "boobs on the ground" on Fox News.

And yes, I know... It's Fox News but that doesn't mean we should ignore it.

http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/9/25/6844297/fox-news-commentator-calls-female-pilot-leading-isis-air-strike-boobs

The female presenter who told the story was fairly good initially but didn't cut the comments down well enough. Probably because then she'd be told she"couldn't handle a good joke!"

iwantmydinner · 27-09-2014 02:31PM

^^^ RAAAAAGE

Lyaiera · 27-09-2014 06:52PM

Because I was going into a club the other night and the bouncer read me as male. I asked if the attached pub was busy. He told me no but the club is "packed with fanny" and that's where I want to be. Disgusting prick.

paddy1990 · 27-09-2014 07:37PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

Because I was going into a club the other night and the bouncer read me as male. I asked if the attached pub was busy. He told me no but the club is "packed with fanny" and that's where I want to be. Disgusting prick.

I'd say a lot of lads do go out looking for places "packed with fanny" to be fair.

Him reading you as male was probably an honest mistake as well. Although if you seriously looked feminine and he was taking the piss by reading you as male, then he is a prick for sure.

Lyaiera · 27-09-2014 07:39PM

paddy1990 wrote: »

I'd say a lot of lads do go out looking for places "packed with fanny" to be fair.

Him reading you as male was probably an honest mistake as well. Although if you seriously looked feminine and he was taking the piss by reading you as male, then he is a prick for sure.

I have no issue with him reading me as male. That's not a problem to me. It's more what some men will say about women when they don't think any women are around. Or when they think they have a supportive audience. I thought he was very disrespectful to what must have been 50% of the people in the club.

paddy1990 · 27-09-2014 07:43PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

I have no issue with him reading me as male. That's not a problem to me. It's more what some men will say about women when they don't think any women are around. Or when they think they have a supportive audience. I thought he was very disrespectful to what must have been 50% of the people in the club.

I think you underestimate how many men would have absolutely no issue with his comment but we can agree to disagree.

Ice Storm · 27-09-2014 07:47PM

paddy1990 wrote: »

I think you underestimate how many men would have absolutely no issue with his comment but we can agree to disagree.

I think you are missing the point that it was disrespectful to women and if many men would have "absolutely no issue" with this, then that makes it all the more depressing.

Tigger99 · 27-09-2014 07:50PM

Thankfully most men I know wouldn't say that paddy.

GarIT · 27-09-2014 07:51PM

Lyaiera wrote: »

Because I was going into a club the other night and the bouncer read me as male. I asked if the attached pub was busy. He told me no but the club is "packed with fanny" and that's where I want to be. Disgusting prick.

Have you never heard the term sausage fest, it works both ways, its not a problem either way for me. He possibly could have been more correct and said "The club is packed with potential mates" but people like to use slang.

Lyaiera · 27-09-2014 08:00PM

Because this thread is further evidence of why I need feminism.

Edit: And by that I mean the casual way guys in here are reducing women to "things to be ****ed."

Second edit: And the attitude that clubs are for finding "potential mates." (*gawk*) I was there as part of a class party to have fun with my class mates, have a few drinks, and dance. And I presume so were many other people, my group were certainly there for that reason.

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