How Bout Dem Bears?

SameOleJay · 23-09-2014 01:11PM

Be interested to hear what you see.

Sutton was touted a 3rd down pass rusher but he looked amazing against the run at times. Some huge red-zone stops.
Ferguson looked decent too, loved the explosion for a crucial sack.
Fuller. Stud.
Vereen looks decent. McShea marked him one of his favourite picks in the draft and he does look at ease.
Run game is an embarrassment. We need Slauson back BADLY.
Pass pro faded badly after a great start.
Marshall on one leg still commands double coverage. Boss.
Pass rush on the edge was very poor all round.
Happy with the linebackers again

Realt Dearg Sec · 23-09-2014 01:43PM

SameOleJay wrote: »

Be interested to hear what you see.

Sutton was touted a 3rd down pass rusher but he looked amazing against the run at times. Some huge red-zone stops.
Ferguson looked decent too, loved the explosion for a crucial sack.
Fuller. Stud.
Vereen looks decent. McShea marked him one of his favourite picks in the draft and he does look at ease.
Run game is an embarrassment. We need Slauson back BADLY.
Pass pro faded badly after a great start.
Marshall on one leg still commands double coverage. Boss.
Pass rush on the edge was very poor all round.
Happy with the linebackers again

Agree with all of that. On your Marshall comment, his stats show just one reception, but what they don't show is that after his injury he came back in and caught a touchdown pass which was disallowed because of a facemask penalty. The Jets learned their lesson, injured or not he needed tight coverage. Before then I presume they figured they could double up on Jeffery.

Our run game, once again, never really got going, I remember Forte getting a short yardage first down just through pure bull stubborness, but otherwise his main threat was in the passing game, same as the rest. Martellus Bennett (17 fantasy points!) was good, but his second touchdown came from a blown coverage. There was a lot of that and maybe the Jets were overthinking themselves, but more importantly, Cutler was simply on fire. To produce what he did when he was under huge pressure due to O-line problems and relentless Jet blitzing, with a receiver corps that was all banged up. If he keeps this up we will be in the playoffs.

Worrying that after a fantastic start we looked very nervous in the second half, it was really heart attack stuff and Geno Smith, for all the mistakes he made, showed serious nerve to play a pretty steady game in their comeback. Helped no end by his O line which we struggled to get by (I know we had three sacks, but at times it was like he had all day to make his passes).

What else? Fuller, obviously, is a beast. I actually thought our linebackers did pretty well, including Bostic despite some errors. Who'd have thought we'd ever be saying "we'll miss Shea McClellin", but it was looking that way. Still I thought they stepped up. The Jets run game is no joke, Ivory was having a hell of a game (9 fantasy points, and should have been run in for a touchdown only for bad playcalling by the Jets in the red zone at one point), so all things considered I thought we held it fairly well. We were lucky that they seemed to struggle in the redzone, but I felt we played the better football.

Bring on the Packers ta ****!

padraig_f · 23-09-2014 02:24PM

SameOleJay wrote: »

Be interested to hear what you see.

Sutton was touted a 3rd down pass rusher but he looked amazing against the run at times. Some huge red-zone stops.
Ferguson looked decent too, loved the explosion for a crucial sack.
Fuller. Stud.
Vereen looks decent. McShea marked him one of his favourite picks in the draft and he does look at ease.
Run game is an embarrassment. We need Slauson back BADLY.
Pass pro faded badly after a great start.
Marshall on one leg still commands double coverage. Boss.
Pass rush on the edge was very poor all round.
Happy with the linebackers again

Posted my impressions in the week 3 thread, pretty similar to these. I wasn't that positive about the overall performance (Jets outgained the Bears 414 yards to 257, and 5.8 yards-per-play to 4.1), but yeah, the improvment in run-defense is encouraging.

Innish_Rebel · 23-09-2014 02:38PM

I've sky+ the game so looking forward to catching it tonight - I'm very impressed that I've avoided watching the NFL.com highlights as I normally do as it is nice not knowing exactly when those big plays are coming and just watching the game with an open mind... I've avoided reading too many of the normally thorough comments above (sameold, padraig & realt dearg) but I will digest them tomorrow...

Didn't even consider trying to avoid knowing the result though...

kennyb3 · 24-09-2014 10:55AM

Still haven't seen the game (hopefully tonight).

Do wanna say fair play to Jay - no turnovers in 2 games. Hope it's not a false dawn. I'm very critical of him but credit where credit is due.

I think if we have a level or positive turnover ratio we should beat the Packers - so hopefully even if they get an early TD or something Jay doesn't panic and try do some stupid stuff.

aaronm13 · 24-09-2014 01:02PM

Great result but was a nervous finish, Jets shouldn't have got back into the game like they did but the win is all that matters.

padraig_f · 24-09-2014 01:56PM

kennyb3 wrote: »

Still haven't seen the game (hopefully tonight).

Do wanna say fair play to Jay - no turnovers in 2 games. Hope it's not a false dawn. I'm very critical of him but credit where credit is due.

I think if we have a level or positive turnover ratio we should beat the Packers - so hopefully even if they get an early TD or something Jay doesn't panic and try do some stupid stuff.

Yeah, interesting evaluation on Jay for that one, he threw one or two dodgy ones that could've been intercepted, but I think he handled the blitz pressure well in the absence of a running game. Other point to note is they were 14 points up, with 6 yards of offense. Not saying it was easy, but it is somewhat easier to play QB from ahead.

When you have bad habits, they tend to come out in the pressure situations...when you're playing from behind, when you're playing Green Bay, when you're in the playoffs; so they're the acid test. I give him a generally positive rating for that game, but to borrow a phrase from Denny Green, I'm not ready to crown his ass just yet

Listening to Tom Thayer, he had an interesting take on the running game that I hadn't considered: that it's generally easier to run the ball at home. Because of the reduced crowd noise, you can make more adjustments at the line of scrimmage and you can do more with the snap count to give your linemen a better jump. For that reason, he thinks the running game will be better on Sunday.

Innish_Rebel · 24-09-2014 01:59PM

kennyb3 wrote: »

Still haven't seen the game (hopefully tonight).

Do wanna say fair play to Jay - no turnovers in 2 games. Hope it's not a false dawn. I'm very critical of him but credit where credit is due.

I think if we have a level or positive turnover ratio we should beat the Packers - so hopefully even if they get an early TD or something Jay doesn't panic and try do some stupid stuff.

My recording turned out to be extended highlights - damn thought I had the complete game, but still not too bad. Fuller looks good, high tackle count, my God though our secondary is decimated...

Red zone defense was great. Rookies on defense - all stood up and were counted, Ferguson, Vereen, Sutton & Fuller.

I'm quite impressed by Allen too - might not be piling up the numbers sack wise, but he hustles & was up against in D'brick Ferguson (3 x pro bowl), added to the fact you need to contain Smith so can't just go all in for the sack every time. Smith I felt had a few occasions where he had just too much time in the pocket...

On the Jets - Jeez Rex Ryan throws some amount of looks at you, they are a tough team to play. The line deserves some credit & i was impressed how Jay shrugged of a few sacks - lucky one fumble was returned for TD, but we escaped, also Jeffrey was very (very) lucky to get a PI penalty, it should have been against him. On the other side in the Jets final drive (I think) the penalty on Bostic was incredibly harsh - so referee decisions tend to even out over season.

After the start against the bills with a run of @ 49ers, @ Jets, Vs Packers - I was picturing a potential 0-4 start, not there is a great chance of 3-1... One fear is A-Rod against such a banged up secondary...

Innish_Rebel · 24-09-2014 02:01PM

padraig_f wrote: »

Listening to Tom Thayer, he had an interesting take on the running game that I hadn't considered: that it's generally easier to run the ball at home. Because of the reduced crowd noise, you can make more adjustments at the line of scrimmage and you can do more with the snap count to give your linemen a better jump. For that reason, he thinks the running game will be better on Sunday.

Also easier to run the ball when you're not facing the Jets D... I thought they were an impressive unit

Oat23 · 28-09-2014 02:39PM

Kyle Fuller Already Ahead of Schedule in Bright Young NFL Career
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2210533-kyle-fuller-already-ahead-of-schedule-in-bright-young-nfl-career.

Matt Bowen tape break down. Good read.

crunchie44 · 28-09-2014 06:24PM

Scandalous calls by officials here. Questionable personal foul call gives Packers new set of downs after Bears had stopped them and then officials give Green Bay a 1st down when ball never came close to crossing the line and two plays later here TD. Officials making life really hard right now.

Realt Dearg Sec · 28-09-2014 08:18PM

Yeah but Cutler didn't exactly cover himself in glory either. Bad day.

Lee_Torre · 28-09-2014 09:00PM

Detroit Lions 3-1, stuff it Bears....

Oat23 · 28-09-2014 09:47PM

Lee_Torre wrote: »

Detroit Lions 3-1, stuff it Bears....

Go to an American sports forum if you want to act immature. We don't behave like that on Boards.

Realt Dearg Sec · 28-09-2014 09:57PM

Lee_Torre wrote: »

Detroit Lions 3-1, stuff it Bears....

What a productive addition to the conversation. You suck. No you suck. It's like being on youtube...

SameOleJay · 28-09-2014 11:22PM

Worst pass rushing display you'll ever see.

And yeah, our safeties are still hot trash.

kennyb3 · 29-09-2014 07:53AM

Jay could have had his first 3 game streak with no Interceptions, ah well. Instead he kept up his 2 interceptions per game average against them.

The sad thing is that's not a particularly good Packers team and we got mauled by them, at home.

crunchie44 · 29-09-2014 10:43AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Yeah but Cutler didn't exactly cover himself in glory either. Bad day.

Jay was outstanding in first half. Stood toe to toe with Rodgers trading scores. Then the officials made some silly calls and Bears were on back foot. We got caught trying to force the game and INT happened when we were being aggressive trying to get back in the game.

l find it hard to believe in this day and age that there is only 1 Camera facing along goal line.Bennett last play of 1st half looked like it may have crossed line but a Packers player was obstructing the camera view of the line. Surely they should have camera's covering the line from more than 1 spot. Had that been giving as TD, Bears would have been in front at HT. Thought the calls from officials were terrible

kennyb3 · 29-09-2014 11:02AM

crunchie44 wrote: »

Jay was outstanding in first half. Stood toe to toe with Rodgers trading scores. Then the officials made some silly calls and Bears were on back foot. We got caught trying to force the game and INT happened when we were being aggressive trying to get back in the game.

Yeah but why force it? There will be plenty of games we'll go behind - no excuse.

Outstanding the first half? It's a game of 2 halves - our offense laid a big duck egg (0.00 points) in the second half.

His stats prior to last night against the packers;

17 interceptions, a 65.1 passer rating in nine career regular-season games and has lost six straight games to them.

The passer rating might have improved a bit but not much else.

That's an awful packers D and for all the yards we put up, we only put 17 points on them.

I don't know why anybody bothers defending him at this stage tbh. We are going to be a nearly playoff team for the rest of his time here. We might sneak into one and be one and done. He just doesn't have the consistency - it's from the sublime to the ridiculous each week and back again. I find it all incredibly frustrating.

padraig_f · 29-09-2014 02:20PM

That was disappointing to say the least, I hate losing to the Packers.

- Pass-rush was particularly disappointing, Allen and Ratliff out, but thought there was enough depth there against an o-line that has struggled against other teams. Made zero impression.

- Major breakdowns in coverage. You think if you're not getting a pass-rush, you at least have decent coverage, but this wasn't the case (no pass-rush, plus breakdowns in coverage is a bad combination). Have to look to the DC here, more than one case where receivers ran completely free from the snap, seemed like mix-up in assignments. Plus if you're not getting a pass-rush with 4, blitz more.

- Run defense was decent.

Offense...

- On the interception to Marshall, Trestman said afterwards that Marshall ran the wrong route. Should've been a comeback and he ran a go-route. I guess a result of not practicing the last couple of weeks. Don't think there's anything the QB can do here, you have to throw it before he turns.

- Other interception to Morgan. It was a shallow slant route that the DB read and jumped. I saw some criticism of Morgan for running a bad route, but seemed to me it was one that Jay shouldn't have thrown. What do you guys think?

- Play before half-time, think it was 9 seconds left with no timeouts. Commentators said 'you throw it in the end-zone or you throw it away'. They threw it short of the end zone. Maybe partly on Bennett for running the wrong route, but having run the bad route, Jay probably shouldn't have thrown it to him.

- Apart from that, Bennett was good.

- Running game was good.

General...

- Refs were awful and I think the Bears came off worse from that.

- I liked the onside kick. Where your defense can't stop anything, giving up 20 yards is worth the risk to get the ball back.

- Pity they couldn't hold onto Rod Marinelli. I notice Dallas shut down the Saints' offense last night.

- 2-2, same as the Packers. It's probably fair, got some breaks against the 49ers and Jets, didn't get them yesterday.

- 2nd game in NFL history with no punts. At least the Packers have the excuse that they got 2 takeaways.

- 496 yards of offense, it's not all doom and gloom.

SameOleJay · 29-09-2014 02:28PM

First intercept is on Jay. We were walking through their D at will. Absolutely no need to take those chances. Second is on Marshall if what Trest and Jay are saying is true. It was a decent performance from Jay, this one is almost entirely on D.

Tucker mirrored the Lions’ template taking on Rodgers. Rush with 4 and go heavy in coverage. Problem is Frey, Jennings, the safeties and our linebackers couldn’t cover in a phonebox. And the Lions’ d-line is on a different stratosphere to ours. SO TRY SOME OTHER LOOKS FFS. Tucker mared it yesterday. Just awful.

Carey looks a player which is a positive. And I really like our offense still. To get by we need a full deck on the defense. Hopefully we get that in Charlotte.

Oat23 · 29-09-2014 11:39PM

He can't do anything right it seems. He doesn't smile, he gets attacked for that.

https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/516713391424278528

kennyb3 · 30-09-2014 08:14AM

Oat23 wrote: »

He can't do anything right it seems. He doesn't smile, he gets attacked for that.

https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/516713391424278528

Stuff like that is just pure stupid - couldn't give a f'uck about his personality it's his performance and stat lines that matter.

padraig_f · 30-09-2014 07:22PM

All 22 slideshow:
http://chicagofootball.com/photos/2014/09/30/96582612/index.xml?view=1

Most of it ugly, but I do like the stuff they're doing off the Jeffery end-around. A bit similar to what the Seahawks are doing with Percy Harvin and the jet sweep. Shows in the first slide how they use it to open up the middle for a run.

Shango · 30-09-2014 08:46PM

Conte he just breaks my heart every time, needs to step up or step aside...

Any bears interested:
www
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kennyb3 · 02-10-2014 01:12PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2216519-marc-trestman-proving-to-be-great-offensive-mind-but-average-nfl-head-coach

Some interesting points - don't agree with all but do agree with the overall thought - great that he's nice and has made some improvements but it's time to put up the wins.

At the moment he seems like a reverse Lovie - can't hire the D staff to get results. (went through 3 D co-ordinators in Canada before hitting on one).

It's also disappointing that despite the yards put up this year we've put up 20, 28, 27 & 17 points. (23 PP per game average)

kennyb3 · 02-10-2014 01:32PM

Also you have to register now but this thread pretty much shows just how truly shocking our DC truly is.

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/showthread.php/54015-Mel-Tucker-still-****ing-sucks/page2

(ignoring the s'hite talk and focussing on the quality information)

We clearly needed to play some man coverage and not purely cover 2 zone.

The images are horrific watching, truly horrific - that isn't mix ups - it's pure f'ucking ineptitude from our DC.

Oat23 · 02-10-2014 05:48PM

kennyb3 wrote: »

Also you have to register now but this thread pretty much shows just how truly shocking our DC truly is.

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/showthread.php/54015-Mel-Tucker-still-****ing-sucks/page2

(ignoring the s'hite talk and focussing on the quality information)

We clearly needed to play some man coverage and not purely cover 2 zone.

The images are horrific watching, truly horrific - that isn't mix ups - it's pure f'ucking ineptitude from our DC.

It would be a great forum if they would ban the idiots like that Omelet guy. He was intolerable on the Bears official forum too before they shut it.

These things have been happening for over a year now. He should never have been brought back. Fairly sure I posted here around 12 months ago saying injuries are no excuse when you watch the tape. They aren't doing the basics right and anyone on an NFL roster should be able to do the basics.

kennyb3 · 03-10-2014 07:33AM

You were dead right anyway - some of the pictures on that thread are truly horrific - like a 5 year old trying to coach.

I caught a good few of the games last year but missed quite a few too as we had a new born. Had no time to rewatch properly so I can admit I was prepared to give him another chance with new personel etc.

However it's blatantly obvious from this season he is terrible - even though the defence did well in patches against the 9ers and Jets, it seems we are purely trying to stop the run (after last year). Teams were still moving the ball easy in the air (the Fuller interceptions against the 9ers papered a lot of cracks). That beating and points total was coming.

We've no hope of the playoffs with Tucker as DC imho. The Atlanta game will show it up again - i'm sure of it.

On CSS - I really like it, some great posts, posters and threads but likely all really active forums it tends to get off topic quickly and there are some real idiots and real meatballs. It's a matter of trying to sift through the rubbish.

padraig_f · 04-10-2014 12:08PM

50/50 type of game tomorrow the team needs to win if it wants to make the playoffs. Carolina a bit banged up, down a few running-backs, d-line is apparently not what it was, and Newton is not 100%.

I noticed Kelvin Benjamin beasting it in the pre-season, and kicking myself I didn't go after him more in my fantasy teams. He's just moved into favourite for offensive rookie-of-the-year, with his early season performances. 6-5, big physical receiver, looks more like a tight-end than a WR.

Bushrod out at left-tackle after a training-ground injury and Michael Ola moves across, which could be a problem. Will probably call more running plays because of this. Let's hope they can repeat some of the running success from last week.

Marshall and Jeffery in full practice all week, which is good.

Ratliff still out, Allen probable, but I guess won't be 100%.
Slauson questionable, Garza doubtful. Bit thin on the o-line there on top of the Bushrod injury.

Should still have enough to win if they put together a competent performance. Would be nice to get a 60-minute performance, which I don't think we've seen yet this season.

How Bout Dem Bears?

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