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If the UK asked Ireland to rejoin the Union, how would you vote?

  • 20-09-2014 06:03AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭


    If the UK asked Ireland to rejoin the Union, how would you vote?

    1. Yes to accept rejoining the Union.
    2. No to reject rejoining the Union.

    If the UK asked Ireland to rejoin the Union, how would you vote? 346 votes

    Yes to accept rejoining the Union
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    No to reject rejoining the Union
    100%
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭qdawg86


    The whack eh bog off the Irish government.........Id still vote no though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    No to reject rejoining the Union
    A federal Union of the 4 great states who built the Empire. Ireland is unified and old tensions die, a new force to lead the way, two islands united. We're not European we're British and Irish Dammit!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,129 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Good God no !!

    Cannot understand why anyone would entertain such a notion, or even willingly choose not to seize an opportunity to break away from such a union.

    Madness.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,192 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    A federal Union of the 4 great states who built the Empire. Ireland is unified and old tensions die, a new force to lead the way, two islands united. We're not European we're British and Irish Dammit!

    Yeah great Empire it was built on slavery and murder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭Retrovertigo


    Yeah great Empire it was built on slavery and murder.

    Name one that wasn't.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Yes for a federal union with taxation, financial and foreign policy decided in Dublin, Belfast, Edinburgh, Cardiff and London.

    No for a union with everything decided on in London.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    6 replies and nobody's called anyone a West Brit :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    A federal Union of the 4 great states who built the Empire. Ireland is unified and old tensions die, a new force to lead the way, two islands united. We're not European we're British and Irish Dammit!

    Yawn, we are not British. You may be, I'm not. I see no benefit to Ireland having anything to do with the UK, excluding of course good friends and neighbours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,192 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Name one that wasn't.

    I don't have to name one that wasn't because they all were.

    Taking what didn't belong to them and killing anyone who got in their way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    No to reject rejoining the Union
    Deedsie wrote: »
    Yawn, we are not British. You may be, I'm not. I see no benefit to Ireland having anything to do with the UK, excluding of course good friends and neighbours.

    British for those who live on the island of Britain, Irish for those who live on the island of Ireland. It's simple the United Kingdom of Britain and Ireland. Four small North Atlantic nations who've given so much to the rest of the world.

    And they said that the Romans were ahead of their time.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Depends on the nature of the 'union' - if it was a federated republic with a strong upper house where each country had equal representation then I'd could be persuaded to vote for it.

    Also, the NHS would have to replace the HSE - the utility companies would have to be allowed to operate here - education would have to be 'proper' free - and we'd have to get the same motor tax :)

    Queenie would have to go as head of state - she's a nice lady, but the whole idea of monarchies is way outmoded.

    If it simply meant having a parliament in Dublin with the same powers as whatever the Scots get, and us returning a number of MPs based on our population size then probably no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Deedsie wrote: »
    Yawn, we are not British. You may be, I'm not. I see no benefit to Ireland having anything to do with the UK, excluding of course good friends and neighbours.

    I voted 'no' but even I can see the irony of your 'yawn'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Deedsie wrote: »
    I see no benefit to Ireland having anything to do with the UK, excluding of course good friends and neighbours.
    You forget trade.

    Symbiosis and all that, and the world is no longer flat.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Deedsie wrote: »
    Yawn, we are not British. You may be, I'm not. I see no benefit to Ireland having anything to do with the UK, excluding of course good friends and neighbours.

    It's kind of interesting that when we were on our uppers we borrowed from a number of sources including the UK and our European 'friends' - who do you think is charging us the lowest interest (by some margin)? HINT: It's also the same country that adds the lowest margin (0.18%) to it's own borrowing costs to calculate the rate it charges us.......;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    No to reject rejoining the Union
    Name one that wasn't.

    It made Ireland what it is to-day.

    The Germans would not have done that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    Public poll nice touch :eek:

    We should do that in real life too. None of this secret ballot b0llox:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    We're already in a union of a European variety. That'll do pig that'll do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    Depends on what's in it for us. I wouldn't dismiss it completely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭I said


    And que at foreign exchanges to go on holidays.No from me.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    A federal Union of the 4 great states who built the Empire. Ireland is unified and old tensions die, a new force to lead the way, two islands united. We're not European we're British and Irish Dammit!

    This is what would make more sense. It is strange that we had no problem joining the EU but a question about Commonwealth or a Union of the British Isles is out of the question for vague nationalistic reasons of old. Like it or not we are economically, culturally and lately politically more closely aligned the the UK than any where else in the world. It seems the French try and screw us over, given any opportunity to talk about our tax rates but the Brits have our back in regards this matter. Yet, cognitive dissonance reigns in Irish Republican circles.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    jank wrote: »
    This is what would make more sense. It is strange that we had no problem joining the EU but a question about Commonwealth or a Union of the British Isles is out of the question for vague nationalistic reasons of old. Like it or not we are economically, culturally and lately politically more closely aligned the the UK than any where else in the world. It seems the French try an screw us over given any opportunity to talk about our tax rates and the Brits is seems has our back in regards this matter. Yet, cognitive dissonance reigns in Irish republican circles.

    I think politically the main stumbling blocks would be having a monarch as head of state and that unless there was huge political reform any federation / union would be dominated by the English - hence my suggestion for an upper house where each country has equal representation.

    The only 'down' side I can see is that we lose an EU Commissioner - but given the latest gombeen we've just sent out there, maybe that's not such a bad thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    jank wrote: »
    This is what would make more sense. It is strange that we had no problem joining the EU but a question about Commonwealth or a Union of the British Isles is out of the question for vague nationalistic reasons of old. Like it or not we are economically, culturally and lately politically more closely aligned the the UK than any where else in the world. It seems the French try an screw us over given any opportunity to talk about our tax rates and the Brits is seems has our back in regards this matter. Yet, cognitive dissonance reigns in Irish republican circles.

    That's simply not true. Politically the Irish are very pro European Union, the British on the other hand are one of the least and could potentially withdraw from it in the near future. Fine Gael are the most right of centre party in Ireland but would be seen as Lefties by the Conservatives. Our Labour Party is to the left of their Labour Party. Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein are quite different to the Lib Dems.
    Irish people don't want a Euro skeptic right wing government.

    We have the Common Travel Area which means there are no added conveniences to having a union with Britain.

    We would have to harmonise our corporation tax with the rest of the UK. Bye bye FDI!!!

    We would have to send our troops to Iraq and Afghanistan. We would become a more legitimate target for Islamic extremists.

    We could see a rejuvenated New IRA drawing Republicans from all corners of the island to violently fight against it.

    The Queen would be our head of state.

    My local TDs voice would be diluted by having a larger core of politicians ( who would be mainly English and simply don't care about Ireland).

    Should we join a union with Britain? GET DA FUK...!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    No.

    although I'm pretty sure a decent proportion of the media would try and convince us to rejoin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Henry Sidney


    No to reject rejoining the Union
    We don't want you anyway. Bad enough having the North, which we would gladly get rid of tomorrow, without taking the baggage of the South too.

    It's really about time you stopped thinking we care about it to be honest. Stupid amount of UK related threads on here. Is there nothing else to talk about in Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    What'd be the difference? Our government copies everything the British government does except with a bit of 1950s sexism and racism thrown in.

    We probably wouldn't even notice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    That's simply not true. Politically the Irish are very pro European Union, the British on the other hand are one of the least and could potentially withdraw from it in the near future. Fine Gael are the most right of centre party in Ireland but would be seen as Lefties by the Conservatives. Our Labour Party is to the left of their Labour Party. Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein are quite different to the Lib Dems.
    Irish people don't want a Euro skeptic right wing government.

    Maybe, maybe not, but if for the sake of argument someone did, how should they cast their vote?
    We would have to send our troops to Iraq and Afghanistan. We would become a more legitimate target for Islamic extremists.
    We do anyway. Admittedly we don't send them but there are a lot of Irish/Irish descent in UK forces.
    The Queen would be our head of state.
    Yep we'd lose that 5 yearly bumfest of the political parties putting up there favourite gob$shoite.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    That's simply not true. Politically the Irish are very pro European Union, the British on the other hand are one of the least and could potentially withdraw from it in the near future. Fine Gael are the most right of centre party in Ireland but would be seen as Lefties by the Conservatives. Our Labour Party is to the left of their Labour Party. Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein are quite different to the Lib Dems.
    Irish people don't want a Euro skeptic right wing government.

    Simply not true - the Scots (are they not also British) are very pro-Europe, and the Welsh Cornish (are they not British) - moderately pro-Europe. The British are more than the 'Home Counties' parochial English.
    We have the Common Travel Area which means there are no added conveniences to having a union with Britain.

    True
    We would have to harmonise our corporation tax with the rest of the UK. Bye bye FDI!!!

    Not true - the reforms proposed for the Scots include tax varying powers - the simple idea being that the Parliament in Edinburgh would have the power to set many of it's own taxes, with a the block grant being varied accordingly.

    If anything that retained power combined with unfettered access to the financial services sector in London would boost FDI.
    We would have to send our troops to Iraq and Afghanistan. We would become a more legitimate target for Islamic extremists.

    We would enjoy a shared defence that's true - but it's not like Irish men (including personnel from the PDF) haven't already served there.

    We'd be part of NATO, but our defence costs would be covered.

    I think you misunderstand what 'Islamic' extremists are interested in targeting.
    We could see a rejuvenated New IRA drawing Republicans from all corners of the island to violently fight against it.

    If it was the expressed democratic will of the people I doubt there would be any significant reaction - you'll still have the headbangers but nothing except some kind of Marxist/Leninist north Atlantic state will ever satisfy them.
    The Queen would be our head of state.

    Not necessarily - you'd assume if this did come to pass there would be a process of negotiation. It would be a deal breaker, I agree, but there's plenty of support for a republic in England, Scotland and Wales - so it's not impossible to imagine herself being relegated to something less relevant where the institution would have nothing to do with the governing of this new imaginary federation!
    My local TDs voice would be diluted by having a larger core of politicians ( who would be mainly English and simply don't care about Ireland).

    Should we join a union with Britain? GET DA FUK...!!!

    An end to the parish pump politics that have plagued and retarded this country for generations? - no more getting the roads fixed, the medical card sorted, de Minister down to open the local supermarket / offlicence / garden shed etc. Government in the national interest sounds like a bad idea alright :rolleyes:

    Easy enough to counter the mainly English parliament by setting up a strong upper house with each country given equal representation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    We don't want you anyway. Bad enough having the North, which we would gladly get rid of tomorrow, without taking the baggage of the South too.

    It's really about time you stopped thinking we care about it to be honest. Stupid amount of UK related threads on here. Is there nothing else to talk about in Ireland?

    If you don't like it then why don't you leave - have a referendum with yourself ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    Maybe, maybe not, but if for the sake of argument someone did, how should they cast their vote?

    Are the Christian Party? If there was a large core vote out there for a right wing Euro sceptic party I'm sure that space would be filled by someone, it's not though.
    We do anyway. Admittedly we don't send them but there are a lot of Irish/Irish descent in UK forces.

    Irish people fighting under the tricolour are not engaged in active combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. I like that, the Islamic extremists like that, everybody is happy. :)
    Yep we'd lose that 5 yearly bumfest of the political parties putting up there favourite gob$shoite.

    It's 7 years. I'd prefer having an Irish hobbit as our national figure head rather than an Anglo/German hobbit as our national figure head. :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Also, the NHS would have to replace the HSE

    Reporter: Minister, is this true? What are your thoughts on health harmonisation?

    Reply: "That would be an EU medical matter."


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