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Count Mondego · 11-09-2014 06:24PM

LivInt20 wrote: »

The target is 50%. If a heavier cow is producing 50% or above then she is hitting the target.

Still other factors to consider though, like land type.

The other factors could be massive. Are they getting nuts or creep grazing ahead of the cows. I have a mixed herd of sucklers, some aax, simx and lim. The calves off aax will outperform all at weaning as they have better milk available to them. Put them in the shed over winter and see them melt. After 29 months breeding always wins out in my opinion.

leg wax · 11-09-2014 06:43PM

lads in the group were selling cattle 100 kgs more than me, but were getting 200 euro less.

just do it · 11-09-2014 07:42PM

Leg wax

What maternal sires are you using these days? Weren't you trying out Part bulls to get a bit more milk back in without sacrificing muscle?

Finally I've cows with 2 generations of AI and willing to relax a bit on calving difficulty. HCA has produced nice weanlings from first calvers so I'm looking forward to seeing what a more advanced bull will produce.

blue5000 · 11-09-2014 08:08PM

LivInt20 wrote: »

Some figures to look at:

What is the average weight of your cows?

Are you weaning at 50% of cow's body weight?

What is the average weight of weanlings sold?

When you say you higher price for your weanlings, are you talking about €/kg?

Remember not to take any comments personally from BTAP meetings.

NZ target is 60% of cow's weight, but it can be overdone, small first calver could be low bcs going into the winter after drying off, It's a good test of how efficient cows are though.

blue5000 · 11-09-2014 08:13PM

Count Mondego wrote: »

The other factors could be massive. Are they getting nuts or creep grazing ahead of the cows. I have a mixed herd of sucklers, some aax, simx and lim. The calves off aax will outperform all at weaning as they have better milk available to them. Put them in the shed over winter and see them melt. After 29 months breeding always wins out in my opinion.

I think Tully found a huge difference(€150??) between cattle sired by a 5 star and a 1 star Terminal bull. 29 months is giving yours long enough to catch up anyway:P A lot of angus cattle would be slaughtered under 24 months.

tanko · 11-09-2014 09:56PM

leg wax wrote: »

lads in the group were selling cattle 100 kgs more than me, but were getting 200 euro less.

Would I be right in saying that your calves went on the boat while theirs stayed in this country?

larrymiller · 12-09-2014 12:49PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

http://www.gpfeeds.co.uk/blends.htm

Just click on blends, add soya ben meal and either citrus or soyahulls. Hulls are going up in price but still 180/ton should get you some depending on how much you want you may need to collect. 75% barlet 20% hulls and 5% hipro soya will give you a 14% mix. 70/20/10 as above a 16.5% mix. I am including a lot of barley as you have it in hand. Tinker away with mixes and you will get a mix that suits you.It has to add to 1000kgs.

Do not put citrus into a bin by itself I think it can clog very easily especially if not a good draw off it. Soya bean meal is best option as a protein source. Even at 15% a ton in bags will go a long way and should be got for about 450 euro

Would beet pulp be a good source of protein?

Farmer Pudsey · 12-09-2014 01:03PM

larrymiller wrote: »

Would beet pulp be a good source of protein?

Beet pulp is a fibre source from a sugar based product similar to sitrus pulp. Soya bean meal is about the only readily available Protein source. The other ones that are available but only in large quanties are distillers grains, rapeseed meal nut, and maize distillers. Also there are Hi protein molasses available but it si hassle handling

larrymiller · 12-09-2014 01:17PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Beet pulp is a fibre source from a sugar based product similar to sitrus pulp. Soya bean meal is about the only readily available Protein source. The other ones that are available but only in large quanties are distillers grains, rapeseed meal nut, and maize distillers. Also there are Hi protein molasses available but it si hassle handling

Ok so soya bean it will be. Are those bags 25 kg? There 11.70 each but I never looked at the weight?

Can't get citrus locally would hulls be ok instead?

mf240 · 12-09-2014 01:33PM

Hulls are better fibre source and cheaper this year.

Youd get away just soya and barley unless feeding a lot per head.

larrymiller · 12-09-2014 01:36PM

mf240 wrote: »

Hulls are better fibre source and cheaper this year.

Youd get away just soya and barley unless feeding a lot per head.

Would be handy just that way for me.
Don't know yet how much I'll be feeding.
What ratio with soya and barley?

mf240 · 12-09-2014 04:28PM

larrymiller wrote: »

Would be handy just that way for me.
Don't know yet how much I'll be feeding.
What ratio with soya and barley?

One part soya to nine parts barley is around 15/16 %

Thats four 25 kgs bags in each ton of mix. (900kg barley and 100kg soya.) A bag of minerals per ton would be no harm either.

leg wax · 12-09-2014 04:37PM

tanko wrote: »

Would I be right in saying that your calves went on the boat while theirs stayed in this country?

i dont know where the other cattle went ,but they were sold for average of 2 euro a kg at heavy weights,i have sold 4 so far that stayed at home,and i still have 10 to sell of which 6 will stay at home unless they go to spain at 2 euro .

larrymiller · 12-09-2014 06:22PM

mf240 wrote: »

One part soya to nine parts barley is around 15/16 %

Thats four 25 kgs bags in each ton of mix. (900kg barley and 100kg soya.) A bag of minerals per ton would be no harm either.

What's the story with minerals glanbia sell them?

sandydan · 12-09-2014 09:58PM

can anyone tell me what Copra is a source of, its nearest thing ive seen to black powder slag ,nasal spray and sinutabs required for month after, before loading,id close windows turn off air intake to cab close windows and doors and run out of store,with nose covered.

Cavanjack · 15-09-2014 09:51AM

Whats the best feed to finish bullocks and hefiers off grass? Is rolled barley sufficient or would I be better off with a mix?

mahoney_j · 15-09-2014 09:55AM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Whats the best feed to finish bullocks and hefiers off grass? Is rolled barley sufficient or would I be better off with a mix?

Barley/soya hulls and maize meal mix

Cavanjack · 15-09-2014 10:22AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Barley/soya hulls and maize meal mix

Thanks. What sort of money could that be got for? Suppose depends on percentage of dearest ingredient.

Farmer Pudsey · 15-09-2014 12:52PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Whats the best feed to finish bullocks and hefiers off grass? Is rolled barley sufficient or would I be better off with a mix?

mahoney_j wrote: »

Barley/soya hulls and maize meal mix

I agree as above however you might get a very good price for a hulls/barley mix. So I price both. 1/3 hulls rest either barley or barley/maize mix.

Cavanjack wrote: »

Thanks. What sort of money could that be got for? Suppose depends on percentage of dearest ingredient.

You should be able to get for around 200/ton or a bit with it. It depends on how much you are taking. If only taking a few tons consider collecting hulls, barley and maize sperate in half ton bags direct from mill.

just do it · 15-09-2014 03:26PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I agree as above however you might get a very good price for a hulls/barley mix. So I price both. 1/3 hulls rest either barley or barley/maize mix.

You should be able to get for around 200/ton or a bit with it. It depends on how much you are taking. If only taking a few tons consider collecting hulls, barley and maize sperate in half ton bags direct from mill.

How much would you need to get a mix from them?

Farmer Pudsey · 15-09-2014 06:22PM

just do it wrote: »

How much would you need to get a mix from them?

3-4 ton.

just do it · 15-09-2014 06:32PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

3-4 ton.

Would that be alright in a dry shed rather than a meal bin? I suppose it would looking at pictures of grain stores in the journal

mf240 · 15-09-2014 08:16PM

just do it wrote: »

How much would you need to get a mix from them?

Some mills will do a ton mix if you ring and collect it when its made.

Reggie. · 15-09-2014 09:04PM

mf240 wrote: »

Some mills will do a ton mix if you ring and collect it when its made.

I get 700kg at a time in mine

larrymiller · 15-09-2014 09:12PM

I'm after buying 5 bags If soya bean to mix with my rolled barley.
Still dunno what way I'm gonna mix it!

Muckit · 15-09-2014 09:25PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Whats the best feed to finish bullocks and hefiers off grass? Is rolled barley sufficient or would I be better off with a mix?

If you have only a few, buy bags of rolled barley. It's the best value energy feed when you factor everything in. You don't need anything else with good grass.

Muckit · 15-09-2014 09:31PM

Even the way things are going, l'd question the viability of feeding at all. If they are not fit at this stage, mart them.

Feckthis · 17-09-2014 07:29PM

What way are FR bullocks going in the mart now?!

dharn · 17-09-2014 08:06PM

Next to nothing in ballinasloe

Feckthis · 17-09-2014 08:11PM

dharn wrote: »

Next to nothing in ballinasloe

None in the mart or poor prices?

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