Beef General Thread

Nettleman

just do it wrote: »

Details please? !

http://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2014/3288/Fluke_Sept2014.pdf

Charliebull

just do it wrote: »

Details please? !

nettleman posted link below, seems a worthwhile exercise

tanko

Charliebull wrote: »

anyone going to have a go at the Teagasc Beef Free Liver Fluke Testing

Does a Farmer have to be a client of teagasc to avail of that?

on the river

tanko wrote: »

Does a Farmer have to be a client of teagasc to avail of that?

Yes, sadly:(

tanko

The Gene Ireland Autumn 2014 beef catalogue is up on the ICBF website. Don't know how to put a link to it. Maybe someone would oblige.

just do it

tanko wrote: »

The Gene Ireland Autumn 2014 beef catalogue is up on the ICBF website. Don't know how to put a link to it. Maybe someone would oblige.

Anything you fancy?

tanko

just do it wrote: »

Anything you fancy?

Just had a quick look, the lim bull keltic handsome is an interesting looking bull.

just do it

tanko wrote: »

Just had a quick look, the lim bull keltic handsome is an interesting looking bull.

That and the blonde bull

sandydan

http://issuu.com/niall_kilrane/docs/icbf_autumn_catalogue_2014/0


does that link work

Reggie.

sandydan wrote: »

http://issuu.com/niall_kilrane/docs/icbf_autumn_catalogue_2014/0


does that link work

Yeah

Milked out

Do ye get to chose the bulls ye want from gene Ireland or do ye get a random pack?

tanko

Milked out wrote: »

Do ye get to chose the bulls ye want from gene Ireland or do ye get a random pack?

You pick the bulls you want. Popular ones don't be long going tho usually.

Milked out

tanko wrote: »

You pick the bulls you want. Popular ones don't be long going tho usually.

Don't get the choice withe the dairy programme, just get a pack of 5 or 7 bulls

tanko

Milked out wrote: »

Don't get the choice withe the dairy programme, just get a pack of 5 or 7 bulls

The unknown calving difficulty is the snag with it.

bogman_bass

Milked out wrote: »

Don't get the choice withe the dairy programme, just get a pack of 5 or 7 bulls

You can't really get away with that with beef since there is a much smaller number of bulls spread over a much bigger number of breeds

Charliebull

how reliable is the gestation length for HCA and FTY on ICBF website

HCA is showing 286-289 days, I have a heifer 279 days in calf to him

FTY is showing 288-290 days, I have a heifer 274 days in calf to him

Nettleman

Charliebull wrote: »

how reliable is the gestation length for HCA and FTY on ICBF website

HCA is showing 286-289 days, I have a heifer 279 days in calf to him

FTY is showing 288-290 days, I have a heifer 274 days in calf to him

In general, I think heifers have slightly different gestation period from "All cows" average shown on icbf. Thems some super bull choice, especiallt F?TY
what breed are heifers?

bogman_bass

Charliebull wrote: »

how reliable is the gestation length for HCA and FTY on ICBF website

HCA is showing 286-289 days, I have a heifer 279 days in calf to him

FTY is showing 288-290 days, I have a heifer 274 days in calf to him

HCA has 6025 gestation records and FTY only has 110

Charliebull

Nettleman wrote: »

In general, I think heifers have slightly different gestation period from "All cows" average shown on icbf. Thems some super bull choice, especiallt F?TY
what breed are heifers?

yea its hard to call with them, have to go away with work for a few days and they are still out, one of them is starting to spring well

FTY on SIMX Heifer
HCA on HERXSIM Heifer

Charliebull

seen that bogman and would presume HCA to be fairly accurate, but as i have never used him i was just wondering had anyone else experience with dates

bogman_bass

To be honest it's just a guide. there are so many other factors such as the cows genetics and if the calf is a bull or heifer.

Charliebull

bogman_bass wrote: »

To be honest it's just a guide. there are som amany other factors such as the cows genetics and if the calf is a bull or heifer.

yea i know, found them accurate on a bb bull previously,

only good thing is heifers heifers tend to be sick that bit longer

Willfarman

A lot of people after running into bother with losing cows from grass tetany in South east this last week or so.

Nettleman

I know were in a crisis, but seems if you avoid dealing with factories, ya might not feel the brunt of it.
trade naa too bad in carnaross this week...I woulda lost out agreeing to give me cattle to the factory...commissions all recovered !!!
Factories got 2k more cattle last week than in same week 2013, and this cant continue much longer. Lads must be betting factory price will recover fast, when supply drops like a stone, pre xmas maybe.

on the river

Nettleman wrote: »

I know were in a crisis, but seems if you avoid dealing with factories, ya might not feel the brunt of it.
trade naa too bad in carnaross this week...I woulda lost out agreeing to give me cattle to the factory...commissions all recovered !!!
Factories got 2k more cattle last week than in same week 2013, and this cant continue much longer. Lads must be betting factory price will recover fast, when supply drops like a stone, pre xmas maybe.

I think you need a pint !!!:rolleyes:

Farmer Pudsey

Nettleman wrote: »

I know were in a crisis, but seems if you avoid dealing with factories, ya might not feel the brunt of it.
trade naa too bad in carnaross this week...I woulda lost out agreeing to give me cattle to the factory...commissions all recovered !!!
Factories got 2k more cattle last week than in same week 2013, and this cant continue much longer. Lads must be betting factory price will recover fast, when supply drops like a stone, pre xmas maybe.

At this stage it is likly that kill will drop fast at some stage pre Christmas. Nearly 130k cattle extra kill compared to last year. Hard to believe it is continuing so long. Demand must be very strong as usually processors in a case like this would be limiting kill by backing up cattle.

Maybe the good summer has caused older cattle that migh hang around to finish but 30K above normal numbers is unusual. Cows and Bulls very scarse so it all steers and Heifers taht are making up numbers. Anybody with 2013 cattle should be holding them as long as possible

Brass Tag

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

At this stage it is likly that kill will drop fast at some stage pre Christmas. Nearly 130k cattle extra kill compared to last year. Hard to believe it is continuing so long. Demand must be very strong as usually processors in a case like this would be limiting kill by backing up cattle.

Maybe the good summer has caused older cattle that migh hang around to finish but 30K above normal numbers is unusual. Cows and Bulls very scarse so it all steers and Heifers taht are making up numbers. Anybody with 2013 cattle should be holding them as long as possible

Sold my dirty arse weanlings (another thread) out of the yard to fella who buys 600 weanlings every fall.
€2.70kg fully weaned already. I have to hang on to them for 9 or 10 days till he collects.
Anyway, he's intending on buying a lot more than normal this fall, as he reckons cattle for grass next spring will be very dear. Demand to well outstrip supply he estimates.

Reggie.

Brass Tag wrote: »

Sold my dirty arse weanlings (another thread) out of the yard to fella who buys 600 weanlings every fall.
€2.70kg fully weaned already. I have to hang on to them for 9 or 10 days till he collects.
Anyway, he's intending on buying a lot more than normal this fall, as he reckons cattle for grass next spring will be very dear. Demand to well outstrip supply he estimates.

That's good to hear

Nettleman

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

At this stage it is likly that kill will drop fast at some stage pre Christmas. Nearly 130k cattle extra kill compared to last year. Hard to believe it is continuing so long. Demand must be very strong as usually processors in a case like this would be limiting kill by backing up cattle.

Maybe the good summer has caused older cattle that migh hang around to finish but 30K above normal numbers is unusual. Cows and Bulls very scarse so it all steers and Heifers taht are making up numbers. Anybody with 2013 cattle should be holding them as long as possible

any word if factory feedlots are ready to kill yet or are the using them already??

AP2014

Reggie. wrote: »

That's good to hear

Not if your buying. I'll have to get in early next year so. May buy early Feb and get a few bales of hay off a neighbour.