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Beheading

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,203 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Everytime one of the stills from the video pops up in a newsfeed or wherever, I'm instantly hit with the fact that the person on their knees is already dead, had been through an awful experience up until that point, and absolutely died a death undeserving of them.

    Even without watching the videos (which I am not sure if I can, out of respect for the victim and not adhering to what these scumbags want us to see), I am terrified.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Tilly wrote: »
    I wonder are they so calm because they know it's being filmed and they don't want their family ever seeing them cry, struggle, how scared they are, try get away?
    True but I did notice the latest victim closed his eyes as the knife approached his neck


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 140 ✭✭The Rabbit


    Tilly wrote: »
    I wonder are they so calm because they know it's being filmed and they don't want their family ever seeing them cry, struggle, how scared they are, try get away?

    Don't they carry out mock executions on them many times before the actual day?

    The poor bastards have probably been brought out, made read their lines and had a knife held to their throat a few times and don't realise that this is actually it. They're going to die today.

    Would explain the calmness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    Just saw a video of a different beheading, wish I hadn't now. Poor family knowing that's how he died, horrific.

    What did you expect?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭BMJD


    The worst one I've seen is from Chechnya or whatever is called. The victim is spluttering for a while, gasping for air . I don't think the knife was sharp enough or else the lad doing it wasn't very good. Another mad one was the African dude getting burnt alive for stealing bananas or something. That took a long time.

    There's a lot to be said for the old lethal injection, no messing around there most of the time.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    You'd die anyway, that's for sure.

    They don't even give you a quick death either, they hack your throat from the front with a knife, a sword on the back of the neck would be whole lot better, in the grand scheme of things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭Tilly


    The Rabbit wrote: »
    Don't they carry out mock executions on them many times before the actual day?

    The poor bastards have probably been brought out, made read their lines and had a knife held to their throat a few times and don't realise that this is actually it. They're going to die today.

    Would explain the calmness.

    Oh god I probably didn't need to know this :( That's so messed up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    BMJD wrote: »
    There's a lot to be said for the old lethal injection, no messing around there most of the time.

    The last few lethal injections have all been botched as they can't get the proper drugs anymore from Europe. They are taking hours to kill now, with one guy moving about in agony with a burning sensation and another guy suffering a stroke as the struggled in pain as the dosage was wrong.

    I'd take the Chinese method of a bullet to the back of the head every time. Quick and 100% effective even though they do charge the victims family the cost of the bullet used.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    That's not cruel enough for ISIS. Even ti slit their throat like how animals are killed would be more humane


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 102 ✭✭rosedream


    Surely would the person not go into shock after experiencing pain that severe in the neck?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 97 ✭✭EmilyHoward


    Bloody hell this thread is depressing, absolutely no idea why I read all 5 pages. In fact, before clicking this thread I was reading something about Christmas and thinking about Christmassy things like time with family, shopping, ice skating, etc.

    Christmas Carols are enjoyable too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    The Rabbit wrote: »
    Don't they carry out mock executions on them many times before the actual day?

    The poor bastards have probably been brought out, made read their lines and had a knife held to their throat a few times and don't realise that this is actually it. They're going to die today.

    Would explain the calmness.


    They drug them usually, afaik.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    Here's an eyewitness account of France's last guillotining in September 1977.

    It's written by a Judge.

    http://deathpenaltynews.blogspot.ie/2013/10/20-minutes-to-death-record-of-last.html
    wrote:
    This man is going to die, he knows it; he knows that he can do nothing but delay the end by a few minutes. And he became almost like a child that will do anything to delay bedtime! A child who knows that he will be treated indulgently, and who makes use of it. The prisoner continued to drink his rum, slowly, in little sips.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭The Purveyor of Truth


    You know the singer Gabrielle? Yeah, well this one time, her boyfriend, and father of her son, went and beheaded his old man in a row with a samurai sword, straight up, and then went to stay in her place for the night as an alibi. Ya get me. He even burned out the car him and another geezer used when disposing of the body. Proper mad. Innit. Legit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭stateofflux


    im amazed and shocked that people even watched these videos. i mean wtf?


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bloody hell this thread is depressing, absolutely no idea why I read all 5 pages. In fact, before clicking this thread I was reading something about Christmas and thinking about Christmassy things like time with family, shopping, ice skating, etc.

    Christmas Carols are enjoyable too.



    This, in September, is much worse than anything ISIS has ever done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Morbid curiosity I suppose.

    Also watched a family in Iraq execute a guy who was blindfolded and hands tied with an Ak47 as he just stood there. It was for raping a young girl. It took a few shots to kill him from a few family members of the girl as they took turns and he lay on the ground bleeding to death.

    I prefer the auld Netflix myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭cerastes


    krudler wrote: »
    Animals torture their food all the time, cats do it, killer whales are the ocean's assholes. It's not just humans who have a want for inflicting needless pain on each other.

    I understood they do that to weaken the animal/prey, to aid teaching their younger and less able offspring to hunt, which they do as instinct or require to sustain them and is a natural part of the animal kingdom. Its not like they are assholes or politically motivated or are religious fundamentalist extremists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭youtube!


    nlgbbbblth wrote: »
    Here's an eyewitness account of France's last guillotining in September 1977.

    It's written by a Judge.

    http://deathpenaltynews.blogspot.ie/2013/10/20-minutes-to-death-record-of-last.html



    What a fascinating article I am shocked that the last execution by guillotine in France was as recently as 1977 though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    I read the OP and thought it was a new reg starting a thread. Then I saw it's a poster who's been here since 2008. Moments like this would really make you lose all hope for humanity.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    I read the OP and thought it was a new reg starting a thread. Then I saw it's a poster who's been here since 2008. Moments like this would really make you lose all hope for humanity.

    Because he's supposed to have learned something from posting on here?

    That's adorable :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    catallus wrote: »
    Because he's supposed to have learned something from posting on here?

    Who said anything about learning anything?
    catallus wrote: »
    That's adorable :D

    Very creepy and I'm guessing this is you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    I saw Cameron banging the war drum earlier on tonight, rattling on about bringing the scum who beheaded David Haines to Justice.

    He referred to Haines as a British hero but where the fcuk was Camerons conviction to send a rescue team at some point in the last 7 months and prevent this horrible torturous death.

    I know the topic of this thread is discussing the act of beheading itself but I guess I needed to rant.
    The whole thing is absolutely sick and I think Cameron was purposely fanning flames. Cue the misguided racist attacks on muslims in Britain. And I'm not optimistic that this'll be the last beheading we hear about in the next few weeks either.

    It's a very fúcky situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    Are they cutting it off slowly or in one go? That would make a huge difference to the pain inflicted. Has anyone actually seen the full video?

    Based on video evidence, these type of beheadings are slow and painful. The victim is bound and the killer just starts sawing away at the side of the neck. It takes a good few seconds for the victim to pass out from blood loss, shock or pain.

    Religion is a mental illness, and some people have a really bad dose, allowing them to justify this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭cerastes


    aidoh wrote: »
    I saw Cameron banging the war drum earlier on tonight, rattling on about bringing the scum who beheaded David Haines to Justice.

    He referred to Haines as a British hero but where the fcuk was Camerons conviction to send a rescue team at some point in the last 7 months and prevent this horrible torturous death.

    I know the topic of this thread is discussing the act of beheading itself but I guess I needed to rant.
    The whole thing is absolutely sick and I think Cameron was purposely fanning flames. Cue the misguided racist attacks on muslims in Britain. And I'm not optimistic that this'll be the last beheading we hear about in the next few weeks either.

    Who knows what negotiations were going on? I doubt these groups are too willing to engage, although I suspect they may take money to release a hostage, given there was a mention that the family couldnt legally try gather funds to secure his release.

    In any event I dont think a rescue attempt would achieve much, even if it was possible to pin down a location, which Id suspect is very difficult if not impossible, Id say they know well enough to not carrying or turning on mobile phones or even transmitting anything using even a secured radio,

    Any rescue would be over hostile territory, could be used to ensnare a rescue or down any aircraft, of which helicopters would be needed and very vulnerable to missles, rpgs and AA guns, the latter of which cant really be defeated. Add to that, they could easily have moved him around or execute him at the last moment on the appearance of any rescue attempt.

    I do think certain govts should keep their beaks out of certain places, as they are only fanning the flames of instability and war. Not long ago the British were supporting these types along with France and the US and their other allies in the region, they've armed some of them and who knows how many weapons have been released into their hands?
    Gaddaffi and Assad dont look so bad from what I can see, at least their was some form of stability and they held control, whats going on now?? chaos, but thats what some elements seem to want, divide and conquer, defeat their opposition without firing a shot, having innocents murdered seems to suit some agenda of those involved except those trying to achieve peace, stability and normality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,929 ✭✭✭Calibos


    This kind of barbarity isn't anything new in these kind of conflicts. Was reading that book on the Middle East by Robert Fisk. After the Algerians kicked out the French the Fundies broke away from the new regime, civil war started and beheading men, women and children and heads on spikes as warnings etc was their modus operendi.

    Remember the first I heard of the 'Arab Spring' and western support for same, I thought to myself, have they learned nothing from the Iranian revolution. Ie. broad based secular student revolts against the dictators in power but theopular revolts always taken over by the religious nut jobs in the end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Fyi it isn't one clean swipe like you've seen in Game Of Thrones or whatever, I haven't watched any of the videos but from what I've heard it took quite a bit of hacking to get through the spine, with quite a bit of gargled screaming from the victim....

    Jesus lads. Why the fcuk would anyone want to watch that:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    There's a video of a group of Russian conscripts captured by the Chechen rebels. Two were shot at once as they tried to run from their truck, the rest hauled away. The Chechens then started to cut off the heads of the rest, once they were away from the main road. One guy was grabbed, said not a word and was slowly cut from ear to ear as the Chechen sawed away at him and eventually cut off the head. The other Russians moaned a bit but none moved and were, in turn, given the same fate, except one who leapt up at the last monent and ran. He got a few yards before being cut down by rifle fire. The back story was that the conscripts were unarmed because their own unit had so brutalised them that they were denied rifles in case they turned them on their alleged comrades.
    All I can say is that I sincerely hope that the IS beheaders get vapourised by a Hellfire missile from a Predator, real soon.


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ^^^
    It's like waiting on two buses for ages, and then two show up at once.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    youtube! wrote: »
    When a guillotine is used it was common that the bodies would get up and run around for a few seconds before dropping.

    You're confusing the guillotine with jagermeister I think.

    krudler wrote: »
    killer whales are the ocean's assholes. .

    Ooh look at the big tough guy, I bet you wouldn't say that to ones face. You'd be all would you like another seal pup sir and whatnot:D


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