Beheading

Gael23 · 14-09-2014 7:10pm #1

So ISIS chopped off another guys head last night. But would something that looks so gruesome actually cause pain to the victim or would the die almost instantly from blood loss?

Tilly · 14-09-2014 7:12pm

Try it with your own and let us know how you get on, buddy.

Birneybau · 14-09-2014 7:12pm

I imagine it to be quite painful, wouldn't be an instant death unless brain stem was immediately severed.

Fr_Dougal · 14-09-2014 7:13pm

It would be a sore dose.

BlibBlab · 14-09-2014 7:14pm

Its an absolutely barbaric practice. Looking at a picture today its hard to understand how they do it, and whats worse is they're surrounded by children.

There doesn't seem to be as much about it this time as there was in the past though, or is it just me? Around the time of Ken Bigley it seemed to be bigger news

Nib · 14-09-2014 7:14pm

I was beheaded once and I can tell you it's extremely painful.

Tonto86 · 14-09-2014 7:15pm

I heard before they tested this back in the days when beheading was all the rage. People were asked to blink as a sign of consciousness. There's reports of people blinking up to 30 seconds.

MagicMarker · 14-09-2014 7:16pm

No op, having your own head cut off slowly with a knife wouldn't hurt a bit.

Captain Chaos · 14-09-2014 7:16pm

If they used a sharp sword it would be instant but they used knives and hack away so yeah it would be painful and dragged out more that what's needed.

Like being hanged to death by being dragged up on the rope instead of the sudden drop and the noose breaking the neck.

14-09-2014 7:17pm

Apparently, during the French revolution, A doctor asked one of the victims to blink his eyes as many times as possible after the guillotine had done its job!
He managed about 14...

krudler · 14-09-2014 7:17pm

ryanf1 wrote: »

So ISIS chopped off another guys head last night. But would something that looks so gruesome actually cause pain to the victim or would the die almost instantly from blood loss?

Well it's not like they do it with a guillotine where it's done in one clean motion, some dude sawing at your neck with a knife until your head comes off is a gruesome way to go and I'd imagine it's incredibly painful until the point you die. Plus you might not die immediately either..

FloatingVoter · 14-09-2014 7:17pm

Tonto86 wrote: »

I heard before they tested this back in the days when beheading was all the rage. People were asked to blink as a sign of consciousness. There's reports of people blinking up to 30 seconds.

There are also reports that Charles I gave a 20 minute speech condemning his executioners after his beheading. Coincidentally, people drank a lot back then.

Da Shins Kelly · 14-09-2014 7:17pm

I can't imagine they take the head off in one clean cut like with a guillotine, they probably have to saw a bit for it to come off. So yes, I would imagine it's pretty damn painful.

MadYaker · 14-09-2014 7:18pm

Fyi it isn't one clean swipe like you've seen in Game Of Thrones or whatever, I haven't watched any of the videos but from what I've heard it took quite a bit of hacking to get through the spine, with quite a bit of gargled screaming from the victim....

Captain Chaos · 14-09-2014 7:18pm

Tonto86 wrote: »

I heard before they tested this back in the days when beheading was all the rage. People were asked to blink as a sign of consciousness. There's reports of people blinking up to 30 seconds.

Debunked, as there would not be enough blood or oxygen left in the brain long enough for this to happen. It was all reflex reactions.

youtube! · 14-09-2014 7:18pm

When a guillotine is used it was common that the bodies would get up and run around for a few seconds before dropping.

The Rabbit · 14-09-2014 7:18pm

They start at the front. It would certainly hurt.

Give me the Saudi sword method every time.

JeffKenna · 14-09-2014 7:19pm

Are they cutting it off slowly or in one go? That would make a huge difference to the pain inflicted. Has anyone actually seen the full video?

Gael23 · 14-09-2014 7:19pm

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I can't imagine they take the head off in one clean cut like with a guillotine, they probably have to saw a bit for it to come off. So yes, I would imagine it's pretty damn painful.

Agreed but I imagine the carotid artery would be severed rather quickly causing a swift death

Pwindedd · 14-09-2014 7:20pm

Whilst a pretty gruesome question, I can't help but admit I have often wondered this myself in the past. Unfortunately very few survivors of beheading to recount the experience.

Except this guy.!

http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/what-does-beheading-feel-like/

14-09-2014 7:20pm

The Rabbit wrote: »

They start at the front. It would certainly hurt.

Give me the Saudi sword method every time.

You'd only get the choice once!

DazMarz · 14-09-2014 7:20pm

That's what people forget about these scummers in ISIS or the Mexican drug cartels. These beheadings are not what we would always imagine.

When most people imagine beheading, we would think of the guillotine or the sinister, hooded executioner wielding a huge sword or axe. The victim has their head restrained or placed upon a block. The razor-sharp blade of the guillotine slams down with incredible force. The executioner swings the sword/axe down with all their might. The head is (usually) severed in one, quick, fluid motion. Death is instantaneous and (relatively; allegedly) painless. That is the "classic" image of beheading from days of yore.

Nowadays, however, beheading is as much about instilling horror and terror in others than it is about actually killing the victim. And to instil said horror, a slow, gruesome death is the way that these animals in ISIS/drug cartels operate. For sure, beheading is gruesome. But the horror of the quick beheading is diluted by the merest fact that it is quick. Blink an eye, it's over. The victim does not appear to suffer and the horror is limited by the thought of "At least they didn't suffer much".

With modern beheadings, they are done in a slow, deliberate manner. Videos often show the blood and final screams/whimpers of the unfortunate victims. This is absolutely sickening, horrifying and is exactly what these subhumans want to happen; instil terror and horror. The visceral and slow nature of these beheadings makes for terrifying viewing to normal people.

Judging from the screams, whimpers, gurgling and moaning of the victims in those videos... yes, it is a painful, agonising death. And it by no means happens quickly. Victims can linger for minutes if the cut is not completed fully.

At least with the guillotine and the medieval beheading, it was quick (unless the executioner had poor aim), but largely it was far, far quicker than the atrocity of these modern beheadings.

Captain Chaos · 14-09-2014 7:21pm

JeffKenna wrote: »

Are they cutting it off slowly or in one go? That would make a huge difference to the pain inflicted. Has anyone actually seen the full video?

They hack away like mad things with a knife. It takes about 12-15 seconds to get though the neck, starting at the front and then a bit of time to get through the spine. Not pretty at all.

Jake Rugby Walrus666 · 14-09-2014 7:21pm

In another 19th century test, scientists asked subjects to indicate they were experiencing pain by bleeding out of their severed head. All those tested bled.

Killer Wench · 14-09-2014 7:22pm

youtube! wrote: »

When a guillotine is used it was common that the bodies would get up and run around for a few seconds before dropping.

Makes sense. Relates to the old saying, "running around like a chicken without its head".

JeffKenna · 14-09-2014 7:22pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

They hack away like mad things with a knife. It takes about 12-15 seconds to get though the neck, starting at the front and then a bit of time to get through the spine. Not pretty at all.

But how do you know that or is it pure speculation?

14-09-2014 7:23pm

Beheading is survivable (if you're a chicken)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken

On September 10, 1945, farmer Lloyd Olsen of Fruita, Colorado, United States, was eating supper with his mother-in-law and was sent out to the yard by his wife to bring back a chicken. Olsen chose a five-and-a-half-month-old cockerel named Mike. The axe missed the jugular vein, leaving one ear and most of the brain stem intact.[2][3]

Despite Olsen's failed attempt to behead Mike, Mike was still able to balance on a perch and walk clumsily; he even attempted to preen and crow, although he could do neither. When the bird did not die, Mr. Olsen, who was surprised, decided to continue to care permanently for Mike, feeding him a mixture of milk and water via an eyedropper; he was also fed small grains of corn.

His crowing, though, consisted of a gurgling sound made in his throat. Mike also spent his time attempting to preen and peck for food with his neck.[2]

myshirt · 14-09-2014 7:23pm

Lads, something a bit unsettling about this thread...
there's an answer, but I don't think we should be sweating it out... what is to be gained... it's sick... very, very barbaric

Gael23 · 14-09-2014 7:23pm

Pwindedd wrote: »

Whilst a pretty gruesome question, I can't help but admit I have often wondered this myself in the past. Unfortunately very few survivors of beheading to recount the experience.

Except this guy.!

http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/what-does-beheading-feel-like/

I don't believe a word of that.

salamanca22 · 14-09-2014 7:24pm

It all depends on where they started to cut, how sharp the instrument they used was and how long it took them to do the deed.

Once the carotid artery is severed then there will be no pain as the brain is instantly starved of blood and oxygen causing death.

A quick cut with a very sharp knife would mean very little to no pain at all. While gruesome it would be a quicker and easier death for people on death row. Not that I would agree with the practice of the death penalty anyway.

stimpson · 14-09-2014 7:26pm

ryanf1 wrote: »

I don't believe a word of that.

Lightlybraisedturnip.com is a legitimate news site.

Captain Chaos · 14-09-2014 7:30pm

JeffKenna wrote: »

But how do you know that or is it pure speculation?

I've watched a few since Ken Biggley got done about 10 years ago.

My name is URL · 14-09-2014 7:31pm

Pwindedd wrote: »

Whilst a pretty gruesome question, I can't help but admit I have often wondered this myself in the past. Unfortunately very few survivors of beheading to recount the experience.

Except this guy.!

http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/what-does-beheading-feel-like/

It took me longer than I care to admit to figure out that was a satirical site

Gatling · 14-09-2014 7:34pm

It's safe to say we have some some seriously sick curious puppies on AH

Tilly · 14-09-2014 7:34pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

I've watched a few since Ken Biggley got done about 10 years ago.

Why?

Tail Docker · 14-09-2014 7:37pm

youtube! wrote: »

When a guillotine is used it was common that the bodies would get up and run around for a few seconds before dropping.

No. Same as a shot through the mouth straight through the spinal cord- drop like water, no time even to pull a trigger if they are holding a gun. You are thinking of chickens.

Captain Chaos · 14-09-2014 7:38pm

Tilly wrote: »

Why?

Morbid curiosity I suppose.

Also watched a family in Iraq execute a guy who was blindfolded and hands tied with an Ak47 as he just stood there. It was for raping a young girl. It took a few shots to kill him from a few family members of the girl as they took turns and he lay on the ground bleeding to death.

Rightwing · 14-09-2014 7:38pm

An animal wouldn't do it. Of course an animal wouldn't do it.

Pwindedd · 14-09-2014 7:39pm

My name is URL wrote: »

It took me longer than I care to admit to figure out that was a satirical site

I got as far as head baskets.....then the penny dropped. I know it's not a laughing matter, but I think we can separate our horror at the actual act from our curiosity into the mechanics of it.

krudler · 14-09-2014 7:40pm

Rightwing wrote: »

An animal wouldn't do it. Of course an animal wouldn't do it.

Animals torture their food all the time, cats do it, killer whales are the ocean's assholes. It's not just humans who have a want for inflicting needless pain on each other.

Jake Rugby Walrus666 · 14-09-2014 7:41pm

If it's a really cold day its going to sting a lot more worse.
Like when you stub your toe when it's cold hurts real bad.

evo2000 · 14-09-2014 7:44pm

ryanf1 wrote: »

So ISIS chopped off another guys head last night. But would something that looks so gruesome actually cause pain to the victim or would the die almost instantly from blood loss?

gettin ur head sawed off... id imagine itd be abit unpleasant, prob somewhere in between stepping on a plug and a tooth ache on the pain scale...

JeffKenna · 14-09-2014 7:44pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

I've watched a few since Ken Biggley got done about 10 years ago.

I see where the name Captain Chaos comes from!!

pablo128 · 14-09-2014 7:45pm

JeffKenna wrote: »

But how do you know that or is it pure speculation?

Just go onto Liveleak and look up beheadings. They cut the throat first so the victim can't scream, although you can see that they are trying to.

Captain Chaos · 14-09-2014 7:46pm

JeffKenna wrote: »

I see where the name Captain Chaos comes from!!

Nah, that's because I'm a walking disaster zone. I should be covered in health and safety warnings and bubble wrap.

Gael23 · 14-09-2014 7:47pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's safe to say we have some some seriously sick curious puppies on AH

Its morbid curiosity

sentient_6 · 14-09-2014 7:48pm

What gets me is how resigned to their fates they seem to be......they must have given up all hope a long time ago. You'd like to think you'd go down f**king roaring at least. The thought of having total resignation scares me the most.

JeffKenna · 14-09-2014 7:50pm

pablo128 wrote: »

Just go onto Liveleak and look up beheadings. They cut the throat first so the victim can't scream, although you can see that they are trying to.

I did but they seem to have all the actual footage banned.

Gatling · 14-09-2014 7:51pm

ryanf1 wrote: »

Its morbid curiosity

Just felt the need to share that curiosity.

To sit and watch some animal hacked somebody's father , brother , son, head off while they read some stupid propaganda for a camera is beyond curiosity but that's just me

folamh · 14-09-2014 7:52pm

Tonto86 wrote: »

I heard before they tested this back in the days when beheading was all the rage. People were asked to blink as a sign of consciousness. There's reports of people blinking up to 30 seconds.

I remember people telling me that Ken Bigley's eyes look around a bit after the severance.

evo2000 · 14-09-2014 7:56pm

JeffKenna wrote: »

I did but they seem to have all the actual footage banned.

And rightly so.

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