Ian Paisley has died

osarusan · 14-09-2014 01:18PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Somehow Republican and nationalists are to blame for all the atrocities this country has been through.

Which posts on this thread said that?

Shakespeare's Sister · 14-09-2014 01:21PM

osarusan wrote: »

Which posts on this thread said that?

That's totally a general consensus on Boards and elsewhere. I once heard someone talking about a loyalist shooting and how awful an atrocity that was by "the IRA".
People have been led to believe down the years here that the conflict in the north was entirely one-sided - the republican one. Nationalists up there have felt terrible alienation from people down here whom they'd have thought would support them.

osarusan · 14-09-2014 01:29PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

That's totally a general consensus on Boards and elsewhere.

I completely disagree.

just as I see more people complaining about vegetarians who won't stop being spouting self-righteous nonsense than I actually see vegetarians spouting self-righteous nonsense, I see more people on boards commenting on West Brit IRA-blaming types than I actually see West Brit IRA-blaming types.

Of course, it all depends on people's definition of West brit IRA-blaming types.

Shakespeare's Sister · 14-09-2014 01:33PM

osarusan wrote: »

I completely disagree.

just as I see more people complaining about vegetarians who won't stop being spouting self-righteous nonsense than I actually see vegetarians spouting self-righteous nonsense, I see more people on boards commenting on West Brit IRA-blaming types than I actually see West Brit IRA-blaming types.

Of course, it all depends on people's definition of West brit IRA-blaming types.

I agree fully on the vegetarian thing

but have a look through threads on the North - the dismissal of the nationalist community is definitely there. Have a look at this thread alone, for nonsensical praising of Paisley.
(I don't use and have never used the term "west Brit" - I don't have any issue with a person being a unionist and I despise the IRA; I am simply referring to Irish people who are massively ignorant about the North, or else want to be Conor Cruise O'Brien/Eoghan Harris types, and deem the atrocities to be republican only; it's definitely there and I find it surprising that you don't see it).

jimmymal · 14-09-2014 01:37PM

Esel wrote: »

You really need to find the Creative Writing forum and post there.

Then, get acquainted with your Return key. Press it twice every so often (or more often).

Paragraphs, and all that.

And i would say unto you, you need to get acquainted with the style of trent! Legend

Any relación pablo, to padraig?
Or are you, like the rest of us, inspired by trents magnificence?

osarusan · 14-09-2014 01:38PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

(I don't use and have never used the term "west Brit" - I don't have any issue with a person being a unionist and I despise the IRA; I am simply referring to Irish people who are massively ignorant about the North, or else want to be Conor Cruise O'Brien/Eoghan Harris types, and deem the atrocities to be republican only; it's definitely there and I find it surprising that you don't see it).

I didn't say it wasn't there. It is there, but I don't think it's remotely close to a 'general consensus on boards and elsewhere.'

Have a look through old threads yourself - you will see that threads started to highlight some less than appealing aspect of republicanism are derailed just as quickly, by just as many posters, and with just as pathetic whataboutery, as the other way round.

I find it surprising that you don't see that.

Shakespeare's Sister · 14-09-2014 01:41PM

osarusan wrote: »

I didn't say it wasn't there. It is there, but I don't think it's remotely close to a 'general consensus on boards and elsewhere.'

Fair point.

Have a look through old threads yourself - you will see that threads started to highlight some less than appealing aspect of republicanism are derailed just as quickly, by just as many posters, and with just as pathetic whataboutery, as the other way round.

I find it surprising that you don't see that.

I didn't say I didn't.

osarusan · 14-09-2014 01:43PM

Now, we may be talking at cross-purposes here.

You might be talking about people who are so ignorant about the north as to actually believe that, for example, Greysteel was a massacre carried out by Republicans - in which case I'd agree that such ignorance exists, but i don't think it's that widespread.

I'm talking about the people who know who carried out these individual atrocities, but blame the other side for everything anyway because 'it's all their fault'.

HeathenWolf · 14-09-2014 01:43PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

People have been led to believe down the years here that the conflict in the north was entirely one-sided - the republican one. Nationalists up there have felt terrible alienation from people down here whom they'd have thought would support them.

It's not the people's fault. The Irish government tried all they could to censor and prevent media coverage of the happenings up here at the time.

Herb Powell · 14-09-2014 02:21PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

It's a bad sign when Martin McGuinness proves himself to have more dignity and respect than half the posters of AH

Paisley deserves no respect.

Fucck him, and fucck all of the people on here trying to defend him. You don't look better for doing that, you look like a cunnt trying to defend a cunnt.

That's all I have to say about this.

Dyr · 14-09-2014 02:29PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The whole country was split with people arguing, I always thought the best thing that could have happened here is that the 16 Rising never occurred and the Home Rule Act 14 came in and we got on with it with progressive Parliamentarian Nationalists like John Redmond. To paraphrase they washed out his life's work in a sea of blood in 1916.

The Republicans don't like statesmen like Redmond, there's a whiff of West Brit off him, his family did once own Loftus Hall afterall.

Remind us: How many irish men did redmond send of for slaughter?

Remind us: how long had home rule been delayed by?

Remind us: what happened to redmond and his party when the right to vote in ireland was extended out past middle aged men?

padd b1975 · 14-09-2014 02:44PM

@ Sammy Wilson.

Try not to show up at the funeral bollock naked.

Karl Stein · 14-09-2014 02:49PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The whole country was split with people arguing, I always thought the best thing that could have happened here is that the 16 Rising never occurred and the Home Rule Act 14 came in and we got on with it.

Home Rule would have made things worse. There would still have been a sizeable portion of the population seeking independence who would have considered Home Rule little but an opiate to keep the Irish quiet.

Also with the emergence of the welfare state in England, coupled with Ireland's stunted development, transfers from England would have been needed. In the long term a move toward independence would have been too costly for those benefiting i.e. those with the power and comfortable lifestyles under British paternalism. That would likely have led to a civil war anyway. Think NI in the 70's 80's.

Gael23 · 14-09-2014 03:14PM

I still have not understood the relevance to gay men donating blood and this thread?

R P McMurphy · 14-09-2014 03:39PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

@ Sammy Wilson.

Try not to show up at the funeral bollock naked.

I wouldn't be an ardent supporter of censorship but in the case of photos of Sammy Wilson frolicking naked i would have to make an exception

Nodin · 14-09-2014 03:46PM

ryanf1 wrote: »

I still have not understood the relevance to gay men donating blood and this thread?

You'll see how it ties into 1916, Paisley, free porn and John Redmond shortly.

Miall108 · 14-09-2014 09:55PM

opiniated wrote: »

Personally speaking, I'd hope we can learn from it - and say, never again(No pun intended!:D)

I actually spent quite a bit of time trying to think of something charitable to say about Big Ian, without ignoring the damage that his hate-filled rhetoric inflicted on so many people.

I wouldn't go so far as to express delight at his death, and would offer sincere condolences to his family, who loved him, but to describe him as a "Man of God" - in particular, the Christian God who preaches Love, Tolerance, and Forgiveness, is the single biggest load of hypocrtical, revisionist, downright lying rubbish I've read on this thread so far - and that's saying something!

Did you know Dr Paisley personally in order for you to have any credibility to be attacking my posts? No I highly doubt it. Never judge a book by its cover.

Your username is opinionated, Im expressing my opinion yet your attacking it.

May he rest in peace, a true knight of the Church and a gentleman. A proud Rangers supporter too I believe

Shakespeare's Sister · 14-09-2014 09:58PM

Miall108 wrote: »

Did you know Dr Paisley personally in order for you to have any credibility to be attacking my posts? No I highly doubt it. Never judge a book by its cover.

Your username is opinionated, Im expressing my opinion yet your attacking it.

May he rest in peace, a true knight of the Church and a gentleman. A proud Rangers supporter too I believe

Look up what he did to the nationalist community and get back to us. That is if your self loathing, forelock-tugging self allows you to.
Why would someone be "proud" of supporting the team of a city they're not from, too? Oh yeh because Rangers has historically been a sectarian club.

But you're edgy - so, so edgy!

Miall108 · 14-09-2014 10:07PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Look up what he did to the nationalist community and get back to us. That is if your self loathing, forelock-tugging self allows you to.

The past is the past theres no use dwelling on it now, its not as if we can go back in time and change it. We all make mistakes. A storm in a teacup

.......now leave Northern Irelands favourite son rest in peace and dont let me see you round here again

Miall108 · 14-09-2014 10:09PM

Also Is it necessary for the personal attack?? I thought theres a saying attack the post not the poster. Now feck off you idiot

Miall108 · 14-09-2014 10:10PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Look up what he did to the nationalist community and get back to us. That is if your self loathing, forelock-tugging self allows you to.
Why would someone be "proud" of supporting the team of a city they're not from, too? Oh yeh because Rangers has historically been a sectarian club.

But you're edgy - so, so edgy!

Whats wrong with Rangers? A club steeped in tradition

Gael23 · 14-09-2014 10:12PM

Miall108 wrote: »

The past is the past theres no use dwelling on it now, its not as if we can go back in time and change it. We all make mistakes. A storm in a teacup

.......now leave Northern Irelands favourite son rest in peace and dont let me see you round here again

I agree with mist of this but he won't rest in peace. Rest on a bed of nails more like

tomwaterford · 14-09-2014 10:17PM

Miall108 wrote: »

Whats wrong with Rangers? A club steeped in tradition

for a long long time had a WASP recruitment policy

White
Anglo
Saxon
Prodestant

AFAIK it was on there jerseys

though its all for nothing as rangers are no more....broke up due to being bankrupt:pac:

Miall108 · 14-09-2014 10:19PM

ryanf1 wrote: »

I agree with mist of this but he won't rest in peace. Rest on a bed of nails more like

Thats a very rude comment to make something I refuse to engage in making a mockery of a dead man....But at least your not engaging in personal attacks like that Shakespeares Sister(Crap name by the way) whose only way of countering my argument is to insult me personally cos thats very mature. Maybe should go back and read romantic plays instead of insulting people when they cant put forth a factual argument

Miall108 · 14-09-2014 10:21PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

for a long long time had a WASP recruitment policy

White
Anglo
Saxon
Prodestant

AFAIK it was on there jerseys

though its all for nothing as rangers are no more....broke up due to being bankrupt:pac:

Again all in the past as most of the stuff being put forward. If ye are all going to live in the past then a fairly miserable old age awaits. Sure dont Rangers have Jon Daly playing up front for them now, an Irishman from Dublin

pablo128 · 14-09-2014 10:21PM

jimmymal wrote: »

And i would say unto you, you need to get acquainted with the style of trent! Legend

Any relación pablo, to padraig?
Or are you, like the rest of us, inspired by trents magnificence?

It was something I'd read before, and gave it a few tweaks to suit the occasion. I'm a non drinker, but had a few bottles there last night playing darts with the lads just as a little celebration. Rossi won the MotoGP race this morning, and Man Utd won comfortably earlier too. It was a pretty good weekend all in all.:D

Karl Stein · 14-09-2014 10:21PM

Miall108 wrote: »

The past is the past theres no use dwelling on it now, its not as if we can go back in time and change it.

Considering the maniacal Paisley tried to justify his evil by citing passages from a book made up by people thousands of years ago this is quite the stupid thing to say.

Gael23 · 14-09-2014 10:24PM

Miall108 wrote: »

Thats a very rude comment to make something I refuse to engage in making a mockery of a dead man....But at least your not engaging in personal attacks like that Shakespeares Sister(Crap name by the way) whose only way of countering my argument is to insult me personally cos thats very mature. Maybe should go back and read romantic plays instead of insulting people when they cant put forth a factual argument

He did nothing in life to warrant respect in death. I'll remember him as someone that spend 50 years preaching hatred against those who practiced the catholic faith, and especially irish catholics.

Miall108 · 14-09-2014 10:25PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Considering the maniacal Paisley tried to justify his evil by citing passages from a book made up by people thousands of years ago this is quite the stupid thing to say.

I stand by my original statement. Paisley played a big part in the Peace Process and mellowed as the years went on. There was a good man in there somewhere but no Irish people still chose to weed out faults even when their not there.

Shakespeare's Sister · 14-09-2014 10:29PM

Miall108 wrote: »

Thats a very rude comment to make something I refuse to engage in making a mockery of a dead man....But at least your not engaging in personal attacks like that Shakespeares Sister(Crap name by the way) whose only way of countering my argument is to insult me personally cos thats very mature. Maybe should go back and read romantic plays instead of insulting people when they cant put forth a factual argument

You're the one who called me an idiot love.

I don't think you can possibly be for real - no fecking way. But if there is the tiniest hint that you're genuine, then yeh, you're talking shyte by: pretending he only made a mistake and it's a storm in a teacup, by playing down Rangers' sectarianism, by stating his policy of ostracising and attacking nationalists needs to be left in the past - tell that to the people who suffered because of it and tell me that you honestly think the same about republican atrocities (that they should be left in the past).
I think though that, if you're not a loyalist, you're either a self flagellating Irish person so desperate for loyalist approval (as if they'd give it to you) or you're just trying to wind people up. Yep, the last one methinks.
You can express your disingenuous opinion and others can express their opinion that praise of Ian Paisley and glossing over what he did, is disgusting.

Ian Paisley has died

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