Ian Paisley has died

ElizaT33 · 13-09-2014 11:02PM

Colinf1212 wrote: »

Someone old fogey dies - 45 pages.

Life is boring.

You must be about 12 years old! It will be a sad day when no one remembers the past and the terrible times that were!

As bad as I think Paisley was, he was excellent at the job he wanted to do. I wish the Government that run Ireland had half the passion he had, we might not have sold our souls to Europe

moxin · 13-09-2014 11:36PM

For the 2nd time, has anyone found out what he died of? Curious

Gael23 · 13-09-2014 11:37PM

Miall108 wrote: »

RIP to Reverend Paisley. A true legend of the Free Presbyterian Church. People should never express delight about the death of a man of god

I agree that no man should rejoice in the death of another but when the same man preached hate to every man that was either Irish or a believer in any other faith than his own then its only natural that people will not be sorry to see him find his mortality

Miall108 wrote: »

Ar dheis de go raibh a anam. A true gael

Im not quite sure what planet you live on. As another poster said, he despised the Irish with every fibre of his being, even more so if you were catholic.
He was in fact a true brit and not a gael as you claim

Karl Stein · 13-09-2014 11:48PM

moxin wrote: »

For the 2nd time, has anyone found out what he died of? Curious

He lost a long fought battle against addiction to megalomania.

moxin · 13-09-2014 11:51PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

He lost a long fought battle against addiction to megalomania.

Thought it might have been laryngitis :P

Colinf1212 · 14-09-2014 01:50AM

ElizaT33 wrote: »

You must be about 12 years old! It will be a sad day when no one remembers the past and the terrible times that were!

As bad as I think Paisley was, he was excellent at the job he wanted to do. I wish the Government that run Ireland had half the passion he had, we might not have sold our souls to Europe

I want you to defend this asap:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Paisley#Opposition_to_the_civil_rights_movement

Closer to home:
The Dublin and Monaghan bombings of 17 May 1974 were a series of co-ordinated car bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, Republic of Ireland. Three exploded in Dublin during rush hour and a fourth exploded in Monaghan almost ninety minutes later. They killed 33 civilians and a full-term unborn child, and injured almost 300.

Talking about the Dublin and Monaghan bombs in the documentary, Mr Paisley said: "I was shocked, very much shocked, that there was anyone going to be hurt in that way.

"But, I mean, who brought that on them? Themselves, it was their own political leaders... at that time the attitude of the south government to Northern Ireland was ridiculous."

Imagine Gerry Adams saying the Kingsmill massacre was brought on by "their own political leaders" in regards to them being completely opposed to the civil rights campaign.

The things Loyalists get away with.

pablo128 · 14-09-2014 02:39AM

moxin wrote: »

For the 2nd time, has anyone found out what he died of? Curious

See post #638. :pac:

Esel · 14-09-2014 03:26AM

pablo128 wrote: »

See post #638. :pac:

You really need to find the Creative Writing forum and post there.

Then, get acquainted with your Return key. Press it twice every so often (or more often).

Paragraphs, and all that.

porsche959 · 14-09-2014 03:39AM

Colinf1212 wrote: »

I want you to defend this asap:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Paisley#Opposition_to_the_civil_rights_movement

Closer to home:
The Dublin and Monaghan bombings of 17 May 1974 were a series of co-ordinated car bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, Republic of Ireland. Three exploded in Dublin during rush hour and a fourth exploded in Monaghan almost ninety minutes later. They killed 33 civilians and a full-term unborn child, and injured almost 300.

Imagine Gerry Adams saying the Kingsmill massacre was brought on by "their own political leaders" in regards to them being completely opposed to the civil rights campaign.

The things Loyalists get away with.

It will be interesting to see if Martin Dillon publishes a new edition of his book "The Trigger Men".

pablo128 · 14-09-2014 03:54AM

Esel wrote: »

You really need to find the Creative Writing forum and post there.

Then, get acquainted with your Return key. Press it twice every so often (or more often).

Paragraphs, and all that.

True story, bud.

And there's 7 paragraphs.;)

Esel · 14-09-2014 03:55AM

moxin wrote: »

For the 2nd time, has anyone found out what he died of? Curious

Take your pick: pulmonary embolism, cerebral hemorrhage, renal failure, myocardial infarction, congestive heart failure - any of a multitude of natural causes at that age.

Does it really matter to you? Why do you care? Morbidly curious, maybe?

Esel · 14-09-2014 04:01AM

pablo128 wrote: »

True story, bud.

And there's 7 paragraphs.;)

Needs much more, plus more white space (i.e. 2 x CR) between 'paragraphs'. That is how to make an actual paragraph.

Still the wrong forum.

Is your effort based on some computer game or a TV programme you enjoyed as a child?

porsche959 · 14-09-2014 04:14AM

ryanf1 wrote: »

Im not quite sure what planet you live on. As another poster said, he despised the Irish with every fibre of his being, even more so if you were catholic.
He was in fact a true brit and not a gael as you claim

It is mistaken to equate 'Gael' with 'Irish'. In fact, he self-identified as Irish. Ulsterman first, Irish second.

TeddyTedson · 14-09-2014 06:00AM

You'd want to be a little bit sick to take solace in a persons death, but I think he set things back so much further than most could have. Then again, for me as someone who's lived in Dublin my entire life born in the 80s (the 80s) what could I truly know about the northern Ireland fiasco. It's so easy for people like me to give my opinion about things I really will never fully understand and that's the reality of these situations I imagine.
I think you have to take the good aspects out of such people to really process the situation in a positive way. When I look at it that way, he did finally try and progress the situation up north and I think seeing as there were most likely so many people feeling in the way he did, he truly did help. I'm aware of the contradictions all over that post but I hope my point comes accross.

Esel · 14-09-2014 06:09AM

He lit the blue touchpaper and retired to a safe distance to watch the fireworks.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 14-09-2014 06:21AM

He lived to the letter of his faith in fairness when you take out the politics. Posts about him opening the gates of Hell? I don't think so. A few posters on this site might go but not Paisley. Those who don't accept Christ are damned.

Esel · 14-09-2014 06:25AM

The good doctor is above the above wind-up.

HeathenWolf · 14-09-2014 08:24AM

Esel wrote: »

Take your pick: pulmonary embolism, cerebral hemorrhage, renal failure, myocardial infarction, congestive heart failure

He had a long battle with bitterness.

wendell borton · 14-09-2014 09:39AM

50 years of bigoted hatred and 5 years of reconciliation are Paisleys leagacy. I don't know if that can absolve him of all his **** stirring that turned the troubles up to 11 but one lesson we can learn for sure is that hate is a stupid waste of time that gets you nowhere.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 14-09-2014 09:50AM

Sometimes I feel you people think that there's something wrong with being Unionist, like it's a big insult or something.

Listen I'm an O'Connor and O'Neill more of a true Gael than many of the these southern RA Head mups with planters surnames. I'm very happy with the current state of affairs, if anything I think the ROI should be mature enough to link up with UK again.

When you drop the inferiority complex and the propaganda we find that we'ere very much the same people, especially since the Celtic bull was exposed recently. Look up a true European Celt, do they look like an Irish person, brown eyes dark hair sallow complexion.

HeathenWolf · 14-09-2014 10:06AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Sometimes I feel you people think that there's something wrong with being Unionist, like it's a big insult or something.

Living under the rule of the DUP and the most dysfunctional power-sharing government in history is a HUGE insult though. I'm not just talking about the DUP and UUP, but also Sinn Fein and the SDLP.

.jacksparrow. · 14-09-2014 10:11AM

ElizaT33 wrote: »

You must be about 12 years old! It will be a sad day when no one remembers the past and the terrible times that were!

As bad as I think Paisley was, he was excellent at the job he wanted to do. I wish the Government that run Ireland had half the passion he had, we might not have sold our souls to Europe

Christ I do worry.

.jacksparrow. · 14-09-2014 10:11AM

ElizaT33 wrote: »

You must be about 12 years old! It will be a sad day when no one remembers the past and the terrible times that were!

As bad as I think Paisley was, he was excellent at the job he wanted to do. I wish the Government that run Ireland had half the passion he had, we might not have sold our souls to Europe

Christ I do worry.

Happyman42 · 14-09-2014 10:17AM

ElizaT33 wrote: »

As bad as I think Paisley was, he was excellent at the job he wanted to do.

What?

He lost, magnificently. He presided over the very thing he railed against since he came to prominence. He was 'very bad at his job' and for years was the best PR republicans could get around the world. He convinced the world that oppression was alive and well in N.I.

And I suspect very soon the extent of his religious hypocrisy (like that of the Roman hierarchy) will soon be revealed too. There is a long running rumour that details of stuff he was involved with will come out after his death.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 14-09-2014 10:25AM

HeathenWolf wrote: »

Living under the rule of the DUP and the most dysfunctional power-sharing government in history is a HUGE insult though. I'm not just talking about the DUP and UUP, but also Sinn Fein and the SDLP.

The whole country was split with people arguing, I always thought the best thing that could have happened here is that the 16 Rising never occurred and the Home Rule Act 14 came in and we got on with it with progressive Parliamentarian Nationalists like John Redmond. To paraphrase they washed out his life's work in a sea of blood in 1916.

The Republicans don't like statesmen like Redmond, there's a whiff of West Brit off him, his family did once own Loftus Hall afterall.

HeathenWolf · 14-09-2014 10:38AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I always thought the best thing that could have happened here is that the 16 Rising never occurred and the Home Rule Act 14 came

The act wasn't worth the unionist backlash and inevitable civil war between the unionist and nationalist militias that it would have caused, and that would have been the last thing the British government needed while World War I was going on.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 14-09-2014 10:54AM

HeathenWolf wrote: »

The act wasn't worth the unionist backlash and inevitable civil war between the unionist and nationalist militias that it would have caused, and that would have been the last thing the British government needed while World War I was going on.

The Government of Ireland Act is where partition stemmed from, the Union majority in the North would still be ruled by Westminster while the south would run from Dublin, the idea was that they'd fall in to one another.

Shakespeare's Sister · 14-09-2014 11:04AM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

You'd want to be a little bit sick to take solace in a persons death, but I think he set things back so much further than most could have. Then again, for me as someone who's lived in Dublin my entire life born in the 80s (the 80s) what could I truly know about the northern Ireland fiasco. It's so easy for people like me to give my opinion about things I really will never fully understand and that's the reality of these situations I imagine.
I think you have to take the good aspects out of such people to really process the situation in a positive way. When I look at it that way, he did finally try and progress the situation up north and I think seeing as there were most likely so many people feeling in the way he did, he truly did help. I'm aware of the contradictions all over that post but I hope my point comes accross.

I don't understand this thing of not being alive at the time rendering a person's view invalid. How come people don't say it about everything else that occurred through history? If people don't know their facts and just blurt stuff out, that's obviously not a very worthwhile view, but if they do their research and understand how nuanced things could be, well that's all that's required surely.
It's people who act as if there was no discrimination towards nationalists and it's all the IRA's fault, that are the ones who haven't a clue. He did indeed contribute towards the betterment of NI towards the end of his life, but because he had no choice, and he never displayed any remorse for his appalling behaviour for many decades.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He lived to the letter of his faith in fairness when you take out the politics. Posts about him opening the gates of Hell? I don't think so. A few posters on this site might go but not Paisley. Those who don't accept Christ are damned.

No, "Love thy neighbour" and "Judge lest not ye be judged" and all that - no, he didn't live to the letter of his faith. Silly winding up that the rest of your post is ("Those who don't accept Christ are damned") is as transparent as can be. If you're an a la carte catholic by the way, he would have had a big problem with you, so why the sad licking up to him?

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Sometimes I feel you people think that there's something wrong with being Unionist, like it's a big insult or something.

Do explain who "you people" are. Thank you. Try also to differentiate between having a problem with Ian Paisley, and having a problem with unionism in general. You'll find they're two different things. Go on, you can do it. Bear in mind also that there are unionists who have a problem with Paisley.

When you drop the inferiority complex and the propaganda

Which propaganda would that be now? In the context of this thread about Paisley... nah, everything about him in his bigot days is true. No propaganda. Inferiority complex - that would... be... applicable to the Irish people who pretend Paisley was all right.

.jacksparrow. · 14-09-2014 11:20AM

This thread just shows the sheer madness of some people.

Somehow Republican and nationalists are to blame for all the atrocities this country has been through.

But it has always been a factor throughout history.

Divide rule, and turn the people on each other through sheer propaganda. Keep telling people they are something and they will eventually believe it.

Lingua Franca · 14-09-2014 01:02PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

He lived to the letter of his faith in fairness when you take out the politics. Posts about him opening the gates of Hell? I don't think so. A few posters on this site might go but not Paisley. Those who don't accept Christ are damned.

What would Jesus do? Jesus would wind people up to beat, burn and butcher taigs for having the audacity to live in their ancestral homeland instead of converting to someone's own private religion or becoming a refugee.

Hey, you know who else accepted Christ? Fred Phelps. Fred Phelps gets to sit at the right hand of your god but people who disgree with DEFTLEFTHAND on the internet are going to hell.

This is what you sound like.

Ian Paisley has died

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