Ian Paisley has died

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 05:01PM

P_1 wrote: »

What does it matter what piece of coloured cloth is flying above the city halls at the end of the day. We're all human

It means a great deal to some people not enough is the problem. Humans gave their lives for the same cloth.

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 05:03PM

caustic 1 wrote: »

Are you really going to argue with someone who has just created a name and has 5 posts in order to get folk to rise to the bait and get an argument started?

I'm not looking for an argument. I wanted to give my opinion on ian paisley. So what if I have five post you joined once too

Donkey Oaty · 12-09-2014 05:09PM

The Daily Mail's Ruth Dudley-Edwards says in a piece headlined "Shed no tears for this roaring bigot":

As political leaders in Britain and Ireland fell over each other in their anxiety to praise this great peacemaker, they sounded like abused wives piteously thanking their brutal husbands for having finally put away the stick.

Ouch!

Karl Stein · 12-09-2014 05:10PM

"Catholic homes caught fire because they were loaded with petrol bombs; Catholic churches were attacked and burned because they were arsenals and priests handed out sub-machine guns to parishioner"

Ian Paisley at a loyalist rally in 1968 following the burning of Catholic homes.

barneystinson · 12-09-2014 05:13PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

There isn't peace in NI go there on 12th July it's not peace. Go there when a flag is erected somewhere or removed. There will never be peace when ireland is unfree

What freedom is lacking?

Hunter456 · 12-09-2014 05:15PM

a bitter man.

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 05:15PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

"Catholic homes caught fire because they were loaded with petrol bombs; Catholic churches were attacked and burned because they were arsenals and priests handed out sub-machine guns to parishioner"

Ian Paisley at a loyalist rally in 1968 following the burning of Catholic homes.

People wonder why the IRA took up arms then. When that was the carry on their own people had to suffer and listen to from that disgusting man

My name is URL · 12-09-2014 05:16PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

The Daily Mail's Ruth Dudley-Edwards says in a piece headlined "Shed no tears for this roaring bigot":

Ouch!

Famous contrarian goes against popular grain shocker

I'm sure there won't be many to shed a tear when that horrible self-hating cunt dies either

Iwasfrozen · 12-09-2014 05:16PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

It means a great deal to some people not enough is the problem. Humans gave their lives for the same cloth.

Stupid people give their lives for a piece of cloth.

A rich Irish man has far more in common with a rich British or French man than he does a poor Irish man.

Just remember that narrow nationalism is worth nothing at the end of the day.

Fat Christy · 12-09-2014 05:17PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

"Catholic homes caught fire because they were loaded with petrol bombs; Catholic churches were attacked and burned because they were arsenals and priests handed out sub-machine guns to parishioner"

Ian Paisley at a loyalist rally in 1968 following the burning of Catholic homes.

'Catholics - They breed like rabbits and spread like vermin.' He came out with some absolute gems, the ol cnutbag. :L

P.S.: I'm not mad for the Jaffa cakes so leave me alone.

Brian? · 12-09-2014 05:17PM

whippet wrote: »

he was in my list of the top three people i'd have loved to have a pint with. I'd say he had some stories to tell.

As for his young fella .....

He was tea total and vehemently pro temperance.

Yellowblackbird · 12-09-2014 05:18PM

ardle1 wrote: »

Not getting at this post in particular!
But there's a lot of people on here comparing him to Adams and McGuinness...
I'd just like to point out that Adams and McGuinness realised at a fairly young age and not basically feeling/looking for 'death bed' guilt/forgiveness, that maybe there is a better way!? Unlike Paisley who decided to 'turn' a very slight bend in what was basically his final few years on earth!?

Adams and McGuinness didn't have and don't have any moral qualms about what they were doing. They realised strategically it wouldn't get them what they wanted - it wouldn't achieve their goals. They could bomb to the end of time and the English still wouldn't leave. One million protestants still wouldn't dissappear into thin air. The situation with civil rights which was the real impetus of the provo movement improved by degrees. There were changes in the demographics and in political representation and economic opportunities.
Ending the conflict - as they call it - was deliberate and pragmatic business.

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 05:20PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Stupid people give their lives for a piece of cloth.

A rich Irish man has far more in common with a rich British or French man than he does a poor Irish man.

Just remember that narrow nationalism is worth nothing at the end of the day.

You say and call them stupid people. Others call them heros and patriots

Iwasfrozen · 12-09-2014 05:22PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

You say and call them stupid people. Others call them heros and patriots

Stupid people call them heros and patriots.

Stupid people give up their lives for a piece of cloth and stupid people call them heros.

twinytwo · 12-09-2014 05:22PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

People wonder why the IRA took up arms then. When that was the carry on their own people had to suffer and listen to from that disgusting man

He was the best recruiter the IRA ever had.

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 05:24PM

twinytwo wrote: »

He was the best recruiter the IRA ever had.

Very true

twinytwo · 12-09-2014 05:25PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Stupid people call them heros and patriots.

Yet there are people like you who call them stupid, but yet are still willing to let die in your place for your freedoms and rights.

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 05:26PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Stupid people call them heros and patriots.

Stupid people give up their lives for a piece of cloth and stupid people call them heros.

Well maybe we need more stupid people and less weaker people so

Iwasfrozen · 12-09-2014 05:27PM

twinytwo wrote: »

Yet there are people like you who call them stupid, but yet are still willing to let die in your place for your freedoms and rights.

Dieing for a piece of cloth isn't dieing to preserve my freedom and rights.

joseph brand · 12-09-2014 05:28PM

I want to play 'devil's advocate' and say something nice about Ian, but I'm having trouble.

He didn't murder or rape anyone. Is that good enough?

con___manx1 · 12-09-2014 05:28PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Thatcher and Paisley gone within a year of each other and Scotland within days about to break up their beloved United Kingdom.

He is no loss for people of peace on this our island of Ireland.

It would be some kick in the arse for those Ulster Scots in the north if Scotland vote yes. I reckon Paisley croaked at the very thought of Scotland leaving the uk. I'd like to think paisleys last thought was of William Wallace freedooom ; )

Iwasfrozen · 12-09-2014 05:29PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Well maybe we need more stupid people and less weaker people so

lol that's exactly what we need. More stupid people to carry the torch for narrow minded insular nationalism.

Galwayguy35 · 12-09-2014 05:30PM

He spent most of his life hating those of us this side of the border and even said that the victims of the Dublin/Monaghan bombings (RIP to them all) brought it on themselves, and what does our spineless Taoiseach do only heap praise on him.

Both him and Thatcher are no great loss.

EuskalHerria · 12-09-2014 05:31PM

After looking at 'a life in pictures' from a number of news sites, it turns out I was wrong. Ian Paisley was a lovely smiling man. Anyone who says otherwise is apparently being disrespectful or an 'Internet warrior.

I'm just wondering when I missed the collective meeting to agree this mans history began in 2007?

Smiles35 · 12-09-2014 05:31PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

lol that's exactly what we need. More stupid people to carry the torch for narrow minded insular nationalism.

It's not going to happen though. Everyone has their head out of the pub door, smart as feck.

Karl Stein · 12-09-2014 05:36PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

The Daily Mail's Ruth Dudley-Edwards says in a piece headlined "Shed no tears for this roaring bigot":

That's from the time when he announced his intention to resign as First Minister.

Further on in RDE's 'bizarre opinions' piece:

Although Paisley has never endorsed killing, and therefore was not as bad as the IRA,

'Not as bad as the IRA'. Paisley was instrumental in creating the conditions for the IRA.

he spread paranoia and hatred - and then washed his hands when some of his audience became over-excited.

Ah yes RDE, the result of Paisley's inciting people to visit death and destruction upon innocent people was just them getting 'over excited'.

Connor Cruise O'Brien in skirt.

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 05:43PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

lol that's exactly what we need. More stupid people to carry the torch for narrow minded insular nationalism.

I wouldn't call it narrow minded the same as I wouldn't call people stupid I'd call heros . You obviously don't believe in people been equal because your first post was about rich men and u obviously support that disgusting man who didn't want Catholics to have the same equality as Protestants

Donkey Oaty · 12-09-2014 05:51PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

That's from the time when he announced his intention to resign as First Minister.

So it is - there's no date on the article, and it came up in a "news" feed, but I should have spotted the reference to 81-year old Paisley.

Thanks for putting us right on that one.

Lapin · 12-09-2014 05:55PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

What nauseating toadying. You don't have a clue clearly.

Really? Care to back up that wild assumption and copperfasten it with a few facts

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

Indeed - unfortunately many other people paid the ultimate price for those flaws

Possibly. Very possibly in fact. Thats politics. The decisions and statements people make often lead to casualties. Paisley was no more guilty of this than any other player.

Chance The Fapper wrote: »

Nah he was a scumbag

Good man

Well put together.

12-09-2014 05:58PM

I know families that refused to leave Nationalist areas during the troubles despite the mass exodus created by Paisley and his cronies. The treatment of these families by their own 'community' afterwards was nothing short of disgusting.

I played football with their kids and regularly they'd get spit at, called Lundy etc by schoolmates, just because they didn't want to tow the Unionist line.

He won't be missed.

Ian Paisley has died

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