Ian Paisley has died

swimming in a sea · 12-09-2014 04:08PM

I didn't know the man, so I'll make no comment.

Jake Rugby Walrus666 · 12-09-2014 04:08PM

Reporter: Mr Paisley, do you use a condom?
Paisley: No. My wife Eileen doesn't like the smell of burning rubber.

PauloMN · 12-09-2014 04:09PM

P_1 wrote: »

I always judge a person by their actions and to borrow a phrase from the bible Paisley was "weighed in the balances, and art found wanting". In my eyes he was a homophobic bigot and my only regret at his passing is that he is no longer sat drooling and shítting himself.

You obviously subscribe to the "eye for an eye" bible quote also.

I have very mixed feelings about Paisley, he caused an awful lot of the tensions in the bad days in my opinion. He might not have taken up arms, but he definitely fueled the flames of hatred and created tensions, or made existing tensions a lot worse by preaching intolerance at a very difficult time in NI.

He definitely mellowed with age and I think he eventually saw the light, but a bit too late for many people. He was definitely a political player, knew what he wanted and knew how to get it.

It seems to be the popular opinion to celebrate his death though, personally I can't celebrate the death of another human, no matter how bad they were or what they did in life. I think to be sad that someone is no longer "sat drooling and shítting" themselves is awful tbh.

P_1 · 12-09-2014 04:14PM

PauloMN wrote: »

You obviously subscribe to the "eye for an eye" bible quote also.

I have very mixed feelings about Paisley, he caused an awful lot of the tensions in the bad days in my opinion. He might not have taken up arms, but he definitely fueled the flames of hatred and created tensions, or made existing tensions a lot worse by preaching intolerance at a very difficult time in NI.

He definitely mellowed with age and I think he eventually saw the light, but a bit too late for many people. He was definitely a political player, knew what he wanted and knew how to get it.

It seems to be the popular opinion to celebrate his death though, personally I can't celebrate the death of another human, no matter how bad they were or what they did in life. I think to be sad that someone is no longer "sat drooling and shítting" themselves is awful tbh.

Why? He caused untold suffering to countless people and he helped to keep Northern Ireland as a backward hellhole for many years. It's only fair that he suffers a bit himself as a result of his actions and if I'm sad that he has been given a release from that suffering through his death then so be it

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-09-2014 04:18PM

P_1 wrote: »

Why? He caused untold suffering to countless people and he helped to keep Northern Ireland as a backward hellhole for many years. It's only fair that he suffers a bit himself as a result of his actions and if I'm sad that he has been given a release from that suffering through his death then so be it

Are you wishing the same pain and suffering on the Republicans who caused pain and misery also?

My name is URL · 12-09-2014 04:19PM

If himself and McGuinness could manage to form a close and positive relationship after everything that once stood between them then who am I to take any delight from the news of his passing.

This is what Paisley's son said about their relationship not so long ago

The former DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s Deputy First Minister had the will and found the way. As Mr McGuinness said, he and Ian Paisley had not only a good working relationship, but a good personal relationship too.

Although their working relationship was brought to a premature end by ecclesiastical-political assassins, the warm personal relationship they shared continues to this day. As a matter of fact, Mr McGuinness has treated my father with a greater deal of care and respect than a number of my father’s fellow-churchmen and DUP colleagues. This is apparent to all.

http://eamonnmallie.com/2014/05/kyle-paisley-on-thawing-dupsinn-fein-frostin/

Food for thought really. Doesn't mean people should be saddened by his death but the crowing over it is kind of absurd.

Kh1993 · 12-09-2014 04:20PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think it can be put as people of the left wing persuasion celebrate deaths of people they didnt like, normal people dont, right wingers are usually too religious to celebrate (excluding the west baptist church).

I think the urge to celebrate is the fact that left wingers are angry because of their natural powerlessness. The likes of Thatcher/Paisley dominated their lives and made them feel powerless. Them being dead and the lefties being alive was the first time in their lives where they felt that they had some sort of superiority.

Didn't take long for a good aul attack on left wingers and a mass generalisation. Kudos for getting that in a thread about Ian Paisley's death.

P_1 · 12-09-2014 04:23PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Are you wishing the same pain and suffering on the Republicans who caused pain and misery also?

Yes I would. Frankly I'd wish it on anybody who cause pain and misery.

Iwasfrozen · 12-09-2014 04:23PM

I think the OP summed it up nicely. I would comment but I won't speak ill of the dead. Let's leave it at that.

I hope he finds peace anyway.

fr336 · 12-09-2014 04:28PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I think the OP summed it up nicely. I would comment but I won't speak ill of the dead. Let's leave it at that.

I hope he finds peace anyway.

Don't think he liked it all that much through most of his life.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-09-2014 04:29PM

P_1 wrote: »

Yes I would. Frankly I'd wish it on anybody who cause pain and misery.

I'll be expecting a similar post to this when Adams and McGuinness pass on then

P_1 wrote: »

Why? He caused untold suffering to countless people and he helped to keep Northern Ireland as a backward hellhole for many years. It's only fair that he suffers a bit himself as a result of his actions and if I'm sad that he has been given a release from that suffering through his death then so be it

DLMA23 · 12-09-2014 04:32PM

anncoates wrote: »

While inciting death squads to murder them at the same time.

Tell me something I don't know!

I was released under the GFA in 2000 & I wasn't affiliated with Dr. Paisley's side either

You can respect your enemy & still wage war upon him

"If you know the enemy & know yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles" SunTzu

PauloMN · 12-09-2014 04:32PM

P_1 wrote: »

Why? He caused untold suffering to countless people and he helped to keep Northern Ireland as a backward hellhole for many years. It's only fair that he suffers a bit himself as a result of his actions and if I'm sad that he has been given a release from that suffering through his death then so be it

How much is "a bit"? 6 months? A year? A decade? Don't mean to have a go at you personally about it, but I just find the concept of wishing someone physical pain and suffering like that a bit sickening.

Anyway he's gone, and who knows what judgement awaits him now. I'm just glad to see that NI is where it is now, rather than where it was when he was a young man.

Tarzana · 12-09-2014 04:34PM

Laters.

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 04:36PM

PauloMN wrote: »

How much is "a bit"? 6 months? A year? A decade? Don't mean to have a go at you personally about it, but I just find the concept of wishing someone physical pain and suffering like that a bit sickening.

Anyway he's gone, and who knows what judgement awaits him now. I'm just glad to see that NI is where it is now, rather than where it was when he was a young man.

Glad where NI is now ? Still under foreign occupation .

jank · 12-09-2014 04:37PM

Don't know what to make of the man. A bit of an enigma and a product of his time and environment. Like Adams and McGuinness reformed at the end. He will be as polarising in death as in life.

Long Gone · 12-09-2014 04:37PM

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I didn't know the man, so I'll make no comment.

Why are you bothering to post then ? .

PauloMN · 12-09-2014 04:38PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Glad where NI is now ? Still under foreign occupation .

You don't think that NI is in a better place than 30/40 years ago?

Is "foreign occupation" more important an issue than peace?

wiseoldelf34 · 12-09-2014 04:39PM

given what has come out about the church at least he died a happy prod . right or wrong I admired his bluster.

P_1 · 12-09-2014 04:40PM

PauloMN wrote: »

How much is "a bit"? 6 months? A year? A decade? Don't mean to have a go at you personally about it, but I just find the concept of wishing someone physical pain and suffering like that a bit sickening.

Anyway he's gone, and who knows what judgement awaits him now. I'm just glad to see that NI is where it is now, rather than where it was when he was a young man.

I suppose it is a bit "an eye for an eye" alright. I dunno to be honest it just strikes me that a just punishment for somebody who causes others to suffer is for them to suffer themselves. And before anyone tries to turn this into a republican v loyalist willy waving contest I'd apply the same judgement to anyone who causes others to suffer through their actions.

Yamanoto · 12-09-2014 04:41PM

Good piece by Jon Ronson in the IT on his time filming a documentary with the big man in Cameroon.

I remember watching it when originally broadcast & what came across was a transparently self-satisfied bully, wandering round the colonies to hector the feckless savages on the need to abide by scripture - all the while blind to the plight of the people they encountered along the way.

Christian my arse.

Dr Paisley had three nicknames for me: The Jew, My Jewish Friend, and My Circumcised Friend.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/jon-ronson-right-time-to-work-up-a-good-pulpit-sweat-1.1927044

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-09-2014 04:41PM

Long Gone wrote: »

Why are you bothering to post then ? .

Did you know him?

Or did you know of him?

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 04:42PM

PauloMN wrote: »

You don't think that NI is in a better place than 30/40 years ago?

Is "foreign occupation" more important an issue than peace?

There isn't peace in NI go there on 12th July it's not peace. Go there when a flag is erected somewhere or removed. There will never be peace when ireland is unfree

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-09-2014 04:45PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

There isn't peace in NI go there on 12th July it's not peace. Go there when a flag is erected somewhere or removed. There will never be peace when ireland is unfree

:rolleyes:

Valetta · 12-09-2014 04:47PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

There isn't peace in NI go there on 12th July it's not peace. Go there when a flag is erected somewhere or removed. There will never be peace when ireland is unfree

Is that ireland or Ireland you're talking about? :rolleyes:

PauloMN · 12-09-2014 04:49PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

There isn't peace in NI go there on 12th July it's not peace. Go there when a flag is erected somewhere or removed. There will never be peace when ireland is unfree

What age are you as a matter of interest? Were you ever in the north in the 70s and 80s?

And if you think that a United Ireland would magically make all those nasty loyalists disappear, you are very much mistaken.

ardle1 · 12-09-2014 04:50PM

jank wrote: »

Don't know what to make of the man. A bit of an enigma and a product of his time and environment. Like Adams and McGuinness reformed at the end. He will be as polarising in death as in life.

Not getting at this post in particular!
But there's a lot of people on here comparing him to Adams and McGuinness...
I'd just like to point out that Adams and McGuinness realised at a fairly young age and not basically feeling/looking for 'death bed' guilt/forgiveness, that maybe there is a better way!? Unlike Paisley who decided to 'turn' a very slight bend in what was basically his final few years on earth!?

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 04:55PM

PauloMN wrote: »

What age are you as a matter of interest? Were you ever in the north in the 70s and 80s?

And if you think that a United Ireland would magically make all those nasty loyalists disappear, you are very much mistaken.

I wasn't in the north then it obviously wasn't a nice place to be. Won't make them disappear but they won't live under a united Ireland they might just go and be loyal to the queen and live there

P_1 · 12-09-2014 04:57PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

I wasn't in the north then it obviously wasn't a nice place to be. Won't make them disappear but they won't live under a united Ireland they might just go and be loyal to the queen and live there

What does it matter what piece of coloured cloth is flying above the city halls at the end of the day. We're all human

caustic 1 · 12-09-2014 04:59PM

Are you really going to argue with someone who has just created a name and has 5 posts in order to get folk to rise to the bait and get an argument started?

Ian Paisley has died

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