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blue5000 · 08-09-2014 11:53PM

AP2014 wrote: »

Get sfp anyway. Not sure cost of doing the course would benefit against other benefits. Not righting it off will look into it. Sure I will learn as much here as anywhere

We can educate you on here alright, but we just can't give you the parchment for your 'I love me wall':pac:

larrymiller · 10-09-2014 12:26PM

After keeping about 7 tonne or so of barley from the harvest.
What's a good recipe to make up for a finishing diet?
And for the yearlings?
Hulls are ment to be good!
Trying to keep costs as low as possible finally after getting through to the aul lad about buying fast finisher and wean n build in glanbia bloody robbery

simx · 10-09-2014 12:39PM

larrymiller wrote: »

After keeping about 7 tonne or so of barley from the harvest.
What's a good recipe to make up for a finishing diet?
And for the yearlings?
Hulls are ment to be good!
Trying to keep costs as low as possible finally after getting through to the aul lad about buying fast finisher and wean n build in glanbia bloody robbery

Did work for a lad before and his mix was barley, soya and citrus, per pen I think it was 2 buckets barley, 1 citrus and half bucket of soya

larrymiller · 10-09-2014 12:45PM

simx wrote: »

Did work for a lad before and his mix was barley, soya and citrus, per pen I think it was 2 buckets barley, 1 citrus and half bucket of soya

Can ya get citrus in glanbia poured into a meal bin or what way does that work?

simx · 10-09-2014 12:48PM

larrymiller wrote: »

Can ya get citrus in glanbia poured into a meal bin or what way does that work?

He used to get it blown into a shed, wouldn't have great knowledge on mixing rations as always got nuts here, ordered some the other day finishing nuts €240/t

Farmer Pudsey · 10-09-2014 01:09PM

larrymiller wrote: »

After keeping about 7 tonne or so of barley from the harvest.
What's a good recipe to make up for a finishing diet?
And for the yearlings?
Hulls are ment to be good!
Trying to keep costs as low as possible finally after getting through to the aul lad about buying fast finisher and wean n build in glanbia bloody robbery

http://www.gpfeeds.co.uk/blends.htm

Just click on blends, add soya ben meal and either citrus or soyahulls. Hulls are going up in price but still 180/ton should get you some depending on how much you want you may need to collect. 75% barlet 20% hulls and 5% hipro soya will give you a 14% mix. 70/20/10 as above a 16.5% mix. I am including a lot of barley as you have it in hand. Tinker away with mixes and you will get a mix that suits you.It has to add to 1000kgs.

larrymiller wrote: »

Can ya get citrus in glanbia poured into a meal bin or what way does that work?

Do not put citrus into a bin by itself I think it can clog very easily especially if not a good draw off it. Soya bean meal is best option as a protein source. Even at 15% a ton in bags will go a long way and should be got for about 450 euro

larrymiller · 10-09-2014 01:26PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

http://www.gpfeeds.co.uk/blends.htm

Just click on blends, add soya ben meal and either citrus or soyahulls. Hulls are going up in price but still 180/ton should get you some depending on how much you want you may need to collect. 75% barlet 20% hulls and 5% hipro soya will give you a 14% mix. 70/20/10 as above a 16.5% mix. I am including a lot of barley as you have it in hand. Tinker away with mixes and you will get a mix that suits you.It has to add to 1000kgs.

Do not put citrus into a bin by itself I think it can clog very easily especially if not a good draw off it. Soya bean meal is best option as a protein source. Even at 15% a ton in bags will go a long way and should be got for about 450 euro

Thanks at that rate that tonne of soya beans at 450 would go a long way when only adding 5% of it into the mix.
Heading to work now will look up that link tonight

sandydan · 10-09-2014 02:32PM

whats difference between soya hulls and soya bean meal, thanks

Farmer Pudsey · 10-09-2014 02:38PM

sandydan wrote: »

whats difference between soya hulls and soya bean meal, thanks

Hulls are the shells left after the meal has been extracted. They are a great source of fibrethey are non sugar based as opposed toCitrus or beetpulp.They are an excellent complement to grass as they slow down the rumen and have no sugar in them

Soya bean meal as above is the hi protein meal extractef from soya. It is an excellent source of protein as it is highly souble form and as it is 48%P only a little is needed. As well a KG has the equivlent energy to a kg of barley. If usong you are getting a double bang for you buck.

larrymiller · 10-09-2014 06:28PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

http://www.gpfeeds.co.uk/blends.htm

Just click on blends, add soya ben meal and either citrus or soyahulls. Hulls are going up in price but still 180/ton should get you some depending on how much you want you may need to collect. 75% barlet 20% hulls and 5% hipro soya will give you a 14% mix. 70/20/10 as above a 16.5% mix. I am including a lot of barley as you have it in hand. Tinker away with mixes and you will get a mix that suits you.It has to add to 1000kgs.

Do not put citrus into a bin by itself I think it can clog very easily especially if not a good draw off it. Soya bean meal is best option as a protein source. Even at 15% a ton in bags will go a long way and should be got for about 450 euro

Could citrus be stored just on the ground then?

ganmo · 10-09-2014 07:07PM

larrymiller wrote: »

Could citrus be stored just on the ground then?

In a secure building, yes
Lovely smelling stuff

larrymiller · 10-09-2014 09:49PM

ganmo wrote: »

In a secure building, yes
Lovely smelling stuff

How much a tonne?
Can it be got in glanbia?
I would collect it in meal bin and then store it on the ground

ganmo · 10-09-2014 10:13PM

larrymiller wrote: »

How much a tonne?
Can it be got in glanbia?
I would collect it in meal bin and then store it on the ground

I found this site earlier in the week http://straightsdirect.co.uk/update.html but its not quoting for citrus pulp

Most mills would have some

Muckit · 11-09-2014 03:03PM

Anyone thinking of buying cheap slips of heifers for the bull to sell on again on the point of calving?

Kovu · 11-09-2014 03:07PM

Muckit wrote: »

Anyone thinking of buying cheap slips of heifers for the bull to sell on again on the point of calving?

Someone here does that/did it last year anyway....I remember reading it very recently. Might have been Bodacious I think,.

Muckit · 11-09-2014 03:33PM

Well would suit lads if they had a bull. Even factory fit over 30 mths making just €1000. A lad could afford to bull them and let them live off their back for the winter then flog on in spring

leg wax · 11-09-2014 03:53PM

anyone else get their icbf reports,or profit monitors back,anyone interested in comparing , just had our meeting here,was told that the cows were too big and calves too small,2 gents said they would keep 3 cows where i had 2,asked both what there stocking density was, both a lot lower,told my weanlings need to be heaver ,yet i still had the higher priced sold weanlings, teag man walked off as he could not answer why did i want heaver weanlings,as i see lads in the group selling bigger and heaver cattle but still getting fook all for them.and as the final insult was told you cant go by those numbers in the profit monitor,

Charliebull · 11-09-2014 04:30PM

leg wax wrote: »

anyone else get their icbf reports,or profit monitors back,anyone interested in comparing , just had our meeting here,was told that the cows were too big and calves too small,2 gents said they would keep 3 cows where i had 2,asked both what there stocking density was, both a lot lower,told my weanlings need to be heaver ,yet i still had the higher priced sold weanlings, teag man walked off as he could not answer why did i want heaver weanlings,as i see lads in the group selling bigger and heaver cattle but still getting fook all for them.and as the final insult was told you cant go by those numbers in the profit monitor,

seen the ICBF report in last nights post, did not look at it yet, it wont make pleasant reading is all i know

id say that sounds like a fun meeting,

freedominacup · 11-09-2014 04:33PM

leg wax wrote: »

anyone else get their icbf reports,or profit monitors back,anyone interested in comparing , just had our meeting here,was told that the cows were too big and calves too small,2 gents said they would keep 3 cows where i had 2,asked both what there stocking density was, both a lot lower,told my weanlings need to be heaver ,yet i still had the higher priced sold weanlings, teag man walked off as he could not answer why did i want heaver weanlings,as i see lads in the group selling bigger and heaver cattle but still getting fook all for them.and as the final insult was told you cant go by those numbers in the profit monitor,

Ya didn't frighten poor oul tom off did ya. That's the second time I've heard of them discounting figures they'd normally swear by when they didn't like a system that was delivering.

LivInt20 · 11-09-2014 04:36PM

leg wax wrote: »

anyone else get their icbf reports,or profit monitors back,anyone interested in comparing , just had our meeting here,was told that the cows were too big and calves too small,2 gents said they would keep 3 cows where i had 2,asked both what there stocking density was, both a lot lower,told my weanlings need to be heaver ,yet i still had the higher priced sold weanlings, teag man walked off as he could not answer why did i want heaver weanlings,as i see lads in the group selling bigger and heaver cattle but still getting fook all for them.and as the final insult was told you cant go by those numbers in the profit monitor,

Some figures to look at:

What is the average weight of your cows?

Are you weaning at 50% of cow's body weight?

What is the average weight of weanlings sold?

When you say you higher price for your weanlings, are you talking about €/kg?

Remember not to take any comments personally from BTAP meetings.

Charliebull · 11-09-2014 04:41PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Ya didn't frighten poor oul tom off did ya. That's the second time I've heard of them discounting figures they'd normally swear by when they didn't like a system that was delivering.

ive always said it ye waterford boys are hard pleased

Charliebull · 11-09-2014 04:42PM

LivInt20 wrote: »

Some figures to look at:

What is the average weight of your cows?

Are you weaning at 50% of cow's body weight?

What is the average weight of weanlings sold?

When you say you higher price for your weanlings, are you talking about €/kg?

Remember not to take any comments personally from BTAP meetings.

ive never heard of this before, what is the thinking behind that

LivInt20 · 11-09-2014 04:43PM

Muckit wrote: »

Well would suit lads if they had a bull. Even factory fit over 30 mths making just €1000. A lad could afford to bull them and let them live off their back for the winter then flog on in spring

Would you not get an overage heifer in to €1200, even at a price of €3.60

LivInt20 · 11-09-2014 04:48PM

Charliebull wrote: »

ive never heard of this before, what is the thinking behind that

The idea is to have more efficient cows.

For example, a 600 kgs cow should be able to produce a calf weighing 300 kgs calf at weaning.

A 800 kgs cow producing a calf at 300 kgs is less efficient/productive as it is costing more to keep her.

I think it is used in the North or Scotland. This is where the idea of keeping smaller more efficient cows comes from.

Damo810 · 11-09-2014 04:53PM

LivInt20 wrote: »

The idea is to have more efficient cows.

For example, a 600 kgs cow should be able to produce a calf weighing 300 kgs calf at weaning.

A 800 kgs cow producing a calf at 300 kgs is less efficient/productive as it is costing more to keep her.

I think it is used in the North or Scotland. This is where the idea of keeping smaller more efficient cows comes from.

I always thought the figure was 70% of her weight? Is 300kg really a hard target to reach? Surely we should aim higher?

Charliebull · 11-09-2014 04:53PM

LivInt20 wrote: »

The idea is to have more efficient cows.

For example, a 600 kgs cow should be able to produce a calf weighing 300 kgs calf at weaning.

A 800 kgs cow producing a calf at 300 kgs is less efficient/productive as it is costing more to keep her.

I think it is used in the North or Scotland. This is where the idea of keeping smaller more efficient cows comes from.

makes sense when you see it like that, what happens if the heavier cow is producing a heavier weanling say close to the 50% mark, would the same logic apply, i suppose it all down to what price they achieve,

Charliebull · 11-09-2014 04:56PM

Damo810 wrote: »

I always thought the figure was 70% of her weight? Is 300kg really a hard target to reach? Surely we should aim higher?

suppose that depends on a lot of factors damo, a march born calf weaned in late september and only on a grass diet is a damn good calf, yes with meal you will drive the calf but at what cost

LivInt20 · 11-09-2014 04:59PM

Damo810 wrote: »

I always thought the figure was 70% of her weight? Is 300kg really a hard target to reach? Surely we should aim higher?

Think 70 could be a bit high.

eg a 800 kgs cow would be expected to wean a 560 kgs calf.

I talking about at weaning time of about nine months.

300 kgs not a hard target at all, at nine months, but you should be getting above this.

If below the 50%, the cow is not performing.

LivInt20 · 11-09-2014 05:01PM

Charliebull wrote: »

makes sense when you see it like that, what happens if the heavier cow is producing a heavier weanling say close to the 50% mark, would the same logic apply, i suppose it all down to what price they achieve,

The target is 50%. If a heavier cow is producing 50% or above then she is hitting the target.

Still other factors to consider though, like land type.

Charliebull · 11-09-2014 05:04PM

LivInt20 wrote: »

Think 70 could be a bit high.

eg a 800 kgs cow would be expected to wean a 560 kgs calf.

I talking about at weaning time of about nine months.

300 kgs not a hard target at all, at nine months, but you should be getting above this.

If below the 50%, the cow is not performing.

so is the rule of thumb pro rata for earlier weaning

say

9 months= min 50%

8 months = 45%

or can it only be judged on a 9 month weanling

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