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paulthom8 · 09-09-2014 09:01PM

"I'm leaving".

"We'll I'm pregnant".

Age old lie.

Madam · 09-09-2014 09:02PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Whatever currency Scotland uses, there will be a phasing in process.

Don't tell me you're starting to worry?

Not really, I was just wondering what the process would be even though I think in the end it will be simpler for everyone if we keep the pound.

SwiftJustice · 09-09-2014 09:03PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why will England suffer the most?

The Trident nuclear subs are docked in Scotland.

Scotland will lower its Corporation Tax rate & hurt the English economy.

Iwasfrozen · 09-09-2014 09:05PM

SwiftJustice wrote: »

The Trident nuclear subs are docked in Scotland.

Scotland will lower its Corporation Tax rate & hurt the English economy.

That would hurt us far more than England. We'd have to lower our own corporation tax rate in response.

A Dub in Glasgo · 09-09-2014 09:06PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Scottish banks (who combined control assets worth 1,200 times Scotland's gdp compared to 800 for Ireland pre-crash) require a bail out from the Scottish government. England will never agree to such as thing because it is not in their interests to do so.

Instead they will encourage Scottish banks to transfer their asset administration to England and Scotland won't be able to offer them the security they need to stay.

Scottish headquartered banks are not entirely Scottish, they are British therefore the size of the debt that the UK Government bailed out is irrelevant. It is already established that EU law requires that your registered office is in the same state as your headquarters and that is taken to be where the bank does most of it's business which in this case is clearly England therefore the 'Scottish' banks will be broken up accordingly

Iwasfrozen · 09-09-2014 09:08PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Scottish headquartered banks are not entirely Scottish, they are British therefore the size of the debt that the UK Government bailed out is irrelevant. It is already established that EU law requires that your registered office is in the same state as your headquarters and that is taken to be where the bank does most of it's business which in this case is clearly England therefore the 'Scottish' banks will be broken up accordingly

All the better for England, then they don't need to incentivize the banks to leave Scotland.

Donkey Oaty · 09-09-2014 09:12PM

Madam wrote: »

Not really, I was just wondering what the process would be even though I think in the end it will be simpler for everyone if we keep the pound.

Simpler in the short term yes - and that's why the sheer hassle of any change is a major factor in the debate.

That was also an argument in favour of keeping pounds, shillings and pence, imperial measurements, etc, and can also be used for the UK monarchy, Ronan Collins' RTE radio 1 lunchtime slot, etc.

rainbowtrout · 09-09-2014 09:13PM

fiachr_a wrote: »

What internet extension will they use? All the s ones have been taken by other countries.

Maybe they'll go all Scottish and use .ab for Alba.

A Dub in Glasgo · 09-09-2014 09:17PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

All the better for England, then they don't need to incentivize the banks to leave Scotland.

Possibly although it does debunk the nonsense about how 'Scottish banks nearly brought down the UK' and 'Scotland would have gone under in 2008 if it was independent'

eeepaulo · 09-09-2014 09:18PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Scottish headquartered banks are not entirely Scottish, they are British therefore the size of the debt that the UK Government bailed out is irrelevant. It is already established that EU law requires that your registered office is in the same state as your headquarters and that is taken to be where the bank does most of it's business which in this case is clearly England therefore the 'Scottish' banks will be broken up accordingly

Teams of economists will look at this issue and come up with different answers.

Lots of well educated, well positioned consultants will make a lot of money out of this

Scottie99 · 09-09-2014 09:21PM

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

What ever way the vote goes now, the SNP will be happy. Independence obviously their preference but devo max is what they get now even if they "lose". That's what they wanted on the ballot in the first place, and secretly I'd guess was as good as they thought they could get. Definitely win win.

I think they're calling it Devo Minus

A Dub in Glasgo · 09-09-2014 09:27PM

I went to see The Proclaimers when I first came to Scotland and did not understand a word, looking back now, this is the perfect song for the campaign

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gApwpSWAhbQ

eire4 · 09-09-2014 09:31PM

[Well given the Tory rag the Spectator has compared Alex Salmond to Robert Mugabe a Hitler reference wouldnt be all that out of place at this stage.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/01/how-is-alex-salmond-like-robert-mugabe/[/QUOTE]

Haha a little ironic there when it was the British backed Lancaster Agreement that saw Mugabe take power in Zimbabwe in 1980.

kingchess · 09-09-2014 09:34PM

if Scotland votes for independence on the 18th,it will not be independent on the 19th, that will be the day that the horse-trading will begin and compromises made", hey you want the pound?okay but then we want to keep trident where it is so we let you have the pound and we will rent the bases off you for 20 years" etc, the official independence day is March 2016 iirc

Fratton Fred · 09-09-2014 09:39PM

SwiftJustice wrote: »

The Trident nuclear subs are docked in Scotland.

Scotland will lower its Corporation Tax rate & hurt the English economy.

There are 6000 people employed at Faslane naval base. Moving the subs from there will probably mean half will lose their jobs.

Scotland will most likely lose Lloyds bank and RBS as well, resulting in more job losses, plus hopefully Portsmouth will get the jobs back that it lost as part of the sweetener to the Scots. To make Scotland attractive from a corporation tax perspective, it will also need to create loopholes similar to Ireland.

I doubt if Scotland can afford to be too aggressive, plus neither country is really going to get involved in a trade war. There's no winners in that.

Madam · 09-09-2014 09:49PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

There are 6000 people employed at Faslane naval base. Moving the subs from there will probably mean half will lose their jobs.

Scotland will most likely lose Lloyds bank and RBS as well, resulting in more job losses, plus hopefully Portsmouth will get the jobs back that it lost as part of the sweetener to the Scots. To make Scotland attractive from a corporation tax perspective, it will also need to create loopholes similar to Ireland.

I doubt if Scotland can afford to be too aggressive, plus neither country is really going to get involved in a trade war. There's no winners in that.

I don't think England could wait to long not having the kudos Trident gives them - imo there will be negotiations for Scotland to keep them for a price! Scotland the new Ferengi perhaps?

porsche959 · 09-09-2014 09:50PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I doubt if Scotland can afford to be too aggressive, plus neither country is really going to get involved in a trade war. There's no winners in that.

Agreed here.

Red Nissan · 09-09-2014 09:55PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I doubt if Scotland can afford to be too aggressive, plus neither country is really going to get involved in a trade war. There's no winners in that.

She will enter a trade war with the Irish Republic and she already expects to win.

A Dub in Glasgo · 09-09-2014 10:04PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

There are 6000 people employed at Faslane naval base. Moving the subs from there will probably mean half will lose their jobs.

572 civilian jobs are directly related to Trident

Arguing that Trident brings jobs is crazy as it is the least productive way of employing people ie the price per job is feckin huge

Henry Sidney · 09-09-2014 10:10PM

I would love to see Scotland vote yes, then ideally Wales and NI will follow and we will have got rid of all the junk little holes that we don't need.

Son Of A Vidic · 09-09-2014 10:11PM

I see panic appears to be setting in and Cameron is scampering to Scotland to push for a No vote. Hopefully the clown will push the undecideds into the Yes campaigns arms.

kingchess · 09-09-2014 10:13PM

Henry Sidney wrote: »

I would love to see Scotland vote yes, then ideally Wales and NI will follow and we will have got rid of all the junk little holes that we don't need.

the love bombing has started,the charm army is on the march

Fratton Fred · 09-09-2014 10:16PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

572 civilian jobs are directly related to Trident

Arguing that Trident brings jobs is crazy as it is the least productive way of employing people ie the price per job is feckin huge

It's not a case of bringing jobs, it's a case of those jobs going if trident leaves.

Trident may only involve a few hundred jobs, but even with the plans for a Scottish navy, HMNB Clyde will be massively reduced. There is significantly more there than trident and the RN aren't going to move trident to Barrow or wherever and leave the rest of the subs in Scotland on some sort of lease.

Satriale · 09-09-2014 10:23PM

kingchess · 09-09-2014 10:26PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It's not a case of bringing jobs, it's a case of those jobs going if trident leaves.

Trident may only involve a few hundred jobs, but even with the plans for a Scottish navy, HMNB Clyde will be massively reduced. There is significantly more there than trident and the RN aren't going to move trident to Barrow or wherever and leave the rest of the subs in Scotland on some sort of lease.

serious question,where could they move trident to?how long would it take to get some place ready for trident and who would want it in their locality?

porsche959 · 09-09-2014 10:34PM

Henry Sidney wrote: »

I would love to see Scotland vote yes, then ideally Wales and NI will follow and we will have got rid of all the junk little holes that we don't need.

Sounds like you're 'off-message' with your Orange Order mates, seemingly they are organising pro-Union marches.

porsche959 · 09-09-2014 10:35PM

kingchess wrote: »

the love bombing has started,the charm army is on the march

Never mind, with a pint of bitter in one hand and a Union Jack in the other, Frog Face Farage will sort it.

Henry Sidney · 09-09-2014 10:36PM

porsche959 wrote: »

Sounds like you're 'off-message' with your Orange Order mates, seemingly they are organising pro-Union marches.

Ah but I'm English, from a catholic family but atheist. Try again kid.

Fratton Fred · 09-09-2014 10:45PM

kingchess wrote: »

serious question,where could they move trident to?how long would it take to get some place ready for trident and who would want it in their locality?

The reason Clyde was chosen was geographical. The UK's main role in NATO is to defend the Greenland-iceland-UK gap should Warsaw pact armies try to break out in to the Atlantic, hence basing the Hunter killer subs up there. It's also handy if your nuclear deterrent can slip in to the Atlantic, or arctic ocean quickly and quietly. If push comes to shove, then anywhere in the north west of England will do, if they need to be up there at all now.

I don't actually think the warheads are the problem as such, I think it is the reactors that power most submarines.

Billy86 · 09-09-2014 10:50PM

Henry Sidney wrote: »

I would love to see Scotland vote yes, then ideally Wales and NI will follow and we will have got rid of all the junk little holes that we don't need.

They'll be taking the north east and Liverpool with them, so?

And then what to do with London, the cocaine capital of Europe?

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