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Fratton Fred · 09-09-2014 06:54PM

I am pie wrote: »

I am not ignorant enough to make assumptions about people on the internet, nor make blythe remarks about questions I can't answer after waffling on about the glories of the empire and making comically twee spurious, connections between multi culturalism and god knows what.

If my post is your interpretation of ignorance, ignorant I will remain and happily so.

Showing your ignorance again I'm afraid.

I am pie · 09-09-2014 07:01PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Showing your ignorance again I'm afraid.

I don't even think you understand or have noticed the ludicrous nature of your own vacuous insinuations.

How entertaining.

"I'm afraid". Chortle.

Donkey Oaty · 09-09-2014 07:03PM

BBC Radio 4's 7 o'clock news leading with the (total non-story) that "the Queen will not intervene" in the independence vote.

Now, "Queen commands Scottish subjects to vote No" would have been worthy of comment.

EunanMac · 09-09-2014 07:04PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

BBC Radio 4's 7 o'clock news leading with the (total non-story) that "the Queen will not intervene" in the independence vote.

Now, "Queen commands Scottish subjects to vote No" would have been worthy of comment.

I'd say the no side tried to rope in her in a last desperate attempt

Fratton Fred · 09-09-2014 07:05PM

Sigh.

For starters, stop equating multiculturalism with empire, the two don't equate. Similarly, don't equate enjoying a multi cultural society with harping on about the glories of empire. Ask FTA69, I'm pretty sure he isn't an empire apologist.

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-09-2014 07:05PM

poor auld Welsh are terrified of being left alone at home with daddy

Donkey Oaty · 09-09-2014 07:06PM

EunanMac wrote: »

I'd say the no side tried to rope in her in a last desperate attempt

Specifically it was some Conservative MPs, according to earlier reports - if this is true, it will come back to haunt them at some stage, because that is a complete no-no be ye republican or monarchist.

The_Valeyard · 09-09-2014 07:06PM

Wow
Sky News is really ramping up the fear factor today

Kermit.de.frog · 09-09-2014 07:09PM

Scotland must be shelled mercilessly if they vote to leave the realm.

Nodin · 09-09-2014 07:09PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

BBC Radio 4's 7 o'clock news leading with the (total non-story) that "the Queen will not intervene" in the independence vote.

Now, "Queen commands Scottish subjects to vote No" would have been worthy of comment.

Fairly sure it would be illegal for her to comment, due to the Cantremember Act.

Nodin · 09-09-2014 07:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Scotland must be shelled mercilessly if they vote to leave the realm.

Shelled with praise, good wishes and drink.

EunanMac · 09-09-2014 07:11PM

Maybe the no side could get the Hewittt boy to say a few words ?
He could wear his Nazi outfit

Madam · 09-09-2014 07:11PM

Nodin wrote: »

Shelled with praise, good wishes and drink.

And loads of it!

porsche959 · 09-09-2014 07:12PM

twinytwo wrote: »

They will have to start a currency from scatch.. england wont let them use the pound, they cant use the euro.

The currency issue is a complete red herring put about by people who don't understand economics.

After 1922 Saorstát £ was pegged at 1:1 with sterling, we didn't need or ask permission of Bank of England. Iceland tracked the euro, similarly didn't need permission of ECB.

porsche959 · 09-09-2014 07:20PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Specifically it was some Conservative MPs, according to earlier reports - if this is true, it will come back to haunt them at some stage, because that is a complete no-no be ye republican or monarchist.

To be fair a Labour MP is recording as urging that she intervene, while two traditionalist Conservatives said it would be wrong for monarch to make any comment.

fiachr_a · 09-09-2014 07:33PM

What internet extension will they use? All the s ones have been taken by other countries.

FloatingVoter · 09-09-2014 07:38PM

fiachr_a wrote: »

What internet extension will they use? All the s ones have been taken by other countries.

.co.uk.

Mark my words. Unless the actual vote is held exclusively in pubs after 10 PM, Scotland stays in.
When I see a statistician on TV telling me about the latest poll, I see an uncooked burger going to waste.

Donkey Oaty · 09-09-2014 07:39PM

porsche959 wrote: »

To be fair a Labour MP is recording as urging that she intervene, while two traditionalist Conservatives said it would be wrong for monarch to make any comment.

Yes, you are right there - it seems as though Labour MP Simon Danczuk is the only one who has gone on record, and there are plenty who are saying it would be improper.

The original reports I saw were about pressure on Cameron from members of his own party - all unnamed - however, the consensus now seems to be that it is "MPs from all sides".

Regardless, it looks like an act of real desperation.

namloc1980 · 09-09-2014 07:43PM

fiachr_a wrote: »

What internet extension will they use? All the s ones have been taken by other countries.

.scot

blackwave · 09-09-2014 07:48PM

twinytwo wrote: »

have not read through the thread so apologies if this has been mentioned before...

There are serious issues for scotland if they achieve independence.

For example:

I would assume that they would have to reapply to join the EU which WILL be vetoed by Spain.

They will have to start a currency from scatch.. england wont let them use the pound, they cant use the euro.

As they are not part of the eu the free travel, i assume dosent apply.. (unless they let it) which would be bad for businesses.

Re: Currency. Montenegro currently uses the Euro even though they are not members of the EU currently nor do they mint the Euro there either. So it is possible that Scotland could do something similar.

porsche959 · 09-09-2014 07:51PM

blackwave wrote: »

Re: Currency. Montenegro currently uses the Euro even though they are not members of the EU currently nor do they mint the Euro there either. So it is possible that Scotland could do something similar.

Indeed, currency issue is red herring. How can one country stop another from tracking its currency, it's basically impossible. There are many small countries whose currencies are basically proxies for the US dollar, including some that do not have particularly friendly diplomatic relations with the US.

Fratton Fred · 09-09-2014 07:57PM

porsche959 wrote: »

Indeed, currency issue is red herring. How can one country stop another from tracking its currency, it's basically impossible. There are many small countries whose currencies are basically proxies for the US dollar, including some that do not have particularly friendly diplomatic relations with the US.

Tracking and using are, I believe, different things. Either way, monetary policy will still be set by the bank of England.

EunanMac · 09-09-2014 07:59PM

FloatingVoter wrote: »

.co.uk.

Mark my words. Unless the actual vote is held exclusively in pubs after 10 PM, Scotland stays in.
When I see a statistician on TV telling me about the latest poll, I see an uncooked burger going to waste.

We'll not see you here on the 19th so. But I'll post this again to remind you.

eeepaulo · 09-09-2014 08:03PM

porsche959 wrote: »

Indeed, currency issue is red herring. How can one country stop another from tracking its currency, it's basically impossible. There are many small countries whose currencies are basically proxies for the US dollar, including some that do not have particularly friendly diplomatic relations with the US.

I believe it is more to do with setting interest rates and money printing, of course they can use sterling, they will simply have no control over it.

porsche959 · 09-09-2014 08:05PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Tracking and using are, I believe, different things.

Complete semantics, Jesuitical hair-splitting.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Either way, monetary policy will still be set by the bank of England.

I wasn't suggesting otherwise. Why are some on No side trying to put it about that Scotland would have to adopt own currency if there is a Yes vote?

fiachr_a · 09-09-2014 08:05PM

The real worry for an independent Scotland is they'll have to enter the Eurovision song contest.

GLaDOS · 09-09-2014 08:06PM

twinytwo wrote: »

I would assume that they would have to reapply to join the EU which WILL be vetoed by Spain.

Showing my ignorance, and probably missing something obvious, but why would Spain veto it?

porsche959 · 09-09-2014 08:06PM

eeepaulo wrote: »

I believe it is more to do with setting interest rates and money printing, of course they can use sterling, they will simply have no control over it.

"they will simply have no control over it"

Which is no change from current position - so what's all the scaremongering from No side about then?

Iwasfrozen · 09-09-2014 08:07PM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Showing my ignorance, and probably missing something obvious, but why would Spain veto it?

They don't want to set a precedence when their own regions look for independence. The Italians would be thinking along similar lines.

Donkey Oaty · 09-09-2014 08:08PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Either way, monetary policy will still be set by the bank of England.

And that means that it will be an Irishman in charge. Way hey!

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