Gameweek 4 Transfers.

lorenzo87 · 09-09-2014 03:26PM

Transferred Eriksen out, Sterling in.
Only worry now is I have Jones, Costa and Jovetic on the team, all injury worries.

zarquon · 09-09-2014 03:51PM

Pipjam wrote: »

I didn't misunderstand you. Your original point:

You don't mention NTO there. You mentioned an "influx" of transfers. Influx means transfers in. It does not mean anything about "figures reduced".

I can't see anyone on a wildcard keeping Rooney whether he plays QPR or not. I also can't see why you think masses of people would transfer him in when clearly better options are available.

The transfers in today are showing that with Falcao, Wellbeck and other strikers having positive figures.

Okay you are basically debating semantics which is pointless and unnecessary. Yes i said i expect there to be an influx of transfers in as the week closes. This does not denote that there will be no transfer out. My statement was merely to say that the NTO figures will slow down although this is just conjecture and the reverse could easily happen.

FPL is all about hypothesis and making guesses based on best judgement. No ones knows what will happen, there is always an element of guesswork, risk and luck involved. Anyone involved in the rather contentious Costa discussions 2 weeks ago will be well aware of this.

I know some people on other fora have stated they shipped him out on a WC with the express interest in bringing him back in for a short punt for a few weeks. The prevailing idea was to make money and hopefully buy rooney back cheaper which now looks like it may not happen

I can see we disagree on this point so i'll leave the discussion here. Some were adamant that Rooney was odds on for a 0.2 drop and that did not happen.

My plan was always to hold Rooney for GW 4 and 5 only. Welbeck is a poorer choice due to fixtures and uncertainty about his role. Falcao is an unknown quantity and a larger risk, albeit one that could pay massive dividends.

You live by the sword you die by the sword, with Rooney i will live by the blunt knife right now knowing it won't inflict much damage on my team if it doesn't work out as he is just a placeholder anyway and i have bigger fish to fry with my FTs.

Dearg81 · 09-09-2014 03:56PM

zarquon wrote: »

Welbeck is a poorer choice due to fixtures and uncertainty about his role. Falcao is an unknown quantity and a larger risk, albeit one that could pay massive dividends.

I personally think Rooney is more likely to be playing OOP in midfield than Welbeck. Surely it wil be Falcao and RVP upfront from now on?

The Wild Bunch · 09-09-2014 04:05PM

Updates on Costa and Jones lads?

Likely to be out?

Pipjam · 09-09-2014 04:08PM

zarquon wrote: »

Okay you are basically debating semantics which is pointless and unnecessary. Yes i said i expect there to be an influx of transfers in as the week closes. This does not denote that there will be no transfer out. My statement was merely to say that the NTO figures will slow down although this is just conjecture and the reverse could easily happen.

FPL is all about hypothesis and making guesses based on best judgement. No ones knows what will happen, there is always an element of guesswork, risk and luck involved. Anyone involved in the rather contentious Costa discussions 2 weeks ago will be well aware of this.

I know some people on other fora have stated they shipped him out on a WC with the express interest in bringing him back in for a short punt for a few weeks. The prevailing idea was to make money and hopefully buy rooney back cheaper which now looks like it may not happen

I can see we disagree on this point so i'll leave the discussion here. Some were adamant that Rooney was odds on for a 0.2 drop and that did not happen.

My plan was always to hold Rooney for GW 4 and 5 only. Welbeck is a poorer choice due to fixtures and uncertainty about his role. Falcao is an unknown quantity and a larger risk, albeit one that could pay massive dividends.

You live by the sword you die by the sword, with Rooney i will live by the blunt knife right now knowing it won't inflict much damage on my team if it doesn't work out as he is just a placeholder anyway and i have bigger fish to fry with my FTs.

No, I'm debating the point that there would be an "influx" of Rooney transfers. Rooney has 11k transfers in this GW. With 3 million people playing, I won't even bother working out what percentage that is.

Even with Jovetic and Sturridge out, I cannot see people opting for a 10.5 million player with one goal in three games against poor opposition to his name. With RVP back, he's also off penalties now.

What other fora have you seen this tactic re Rooney suggested on? I haven't seen it here and most tactics would be thought of by someone here.

ChoiChoi wrote: »

You are misunderstanding him, an influx would reduce his NTO which would reduce his chance of dropping, all he's saying is that Rooney might not drop, which is true he might not, I hope he doesn't anyway!

I have Rooney myself so hope he doesn't drop also. I kept him this week but I certainly don't expect people to be transferring him in at any great rate. In fact, his transfers in aren't even 5% of his transfers out. 11k in versus 245k out.

Zarquon himself had stated above that the semantics of his initial point was incorrect so we'll leave it at that re the "misunderstanding".

dahat · 09-09-2014 04:08PM

Really close to selling Ramsey for Di Maria, if it backfires I can correct it quickly but I do think it will pay off.

zarquon · 09-09-2014 04:10PM

Dearg81 wrote: »

I personally think Rooney is more likely to be playing OOP in midfield than Welbeck. Surely it wil be Falcao and RVP upfront from now on?

Herrara is back from injury and blind is available so there is no need to play Rooney there. LVG has also stated in interviews that he does not see Rooney as an "8" i.e. a midfielder therefore i do not expect him to play Rooney there although he would be a backup for the position if there were more injuries.

It's hard to know what LVG will do. I'd say Mata and RVP are the greater rotation risks atm, for whatever reason LVG seems to love Rooney based on the interviews i have heard and that's why he made him captain.

zarquon · 09-09-2014 04:11PM

Pipjam wrote: »

What other fora have you seen this tactic re Rooney suggested on? I haven't seen it here and most tactics would be thought of by someone here.

FFS and Fiso.

It's a moot point anyway. It looks like WC transfers are not included in the price fall/rise calculations based on observation in which case i think his real NTO figures are wildly skewed as most owners on wildcards would have shipped him.

With all the current changes to algorithms it's all guess work now and there is much more of a gamble element and chance to the game than there was before.

Some people have clearly stated they only sold Rooney with the expectation that he would drop in value, i even pondered it myself. If i was guaranteed that he would stay at 10.5 for GW 4 i would certainly keep him as a punt against QPR.

Note he is number 2 on the captaincy poll so it's certainly not a minority opinion i hold.

Pipjam · 09-09-2014 04:16PM

zarquon wrote: »

FFS and Fiso.

Any links? I'm just intrigued to read these people's reasoning for bringing him in, even if on a wildcard.

He's one of the last strikers I'd opt for at the minute.

FHFC · 09-09-2014 04:25PM

zarquon wrote: »

Some people have clearly stated they only sold Rooney with the expectation that he would drop in value, i even pondered it myself. If i was guaranteed that he would stay at 10.5 for GW 4 i would certainly keep him as a punt against QPR.

Note he is number 2 on the captaincy poll so it's certainly not a minority opinion i hold.

If I was on a wildcard I'd have done this. Falcao a risk, RVP expensive, Rooney has Falcao breathing down his neck for his number 9 role, I think he's a very decent prospect if you want a United striker v QPR.

Lucas Hood · 09-09-2014 04:27PM

Some of the newer lads on here need to realise we usually don't get any info on injuries till the managers press conferences on Friday.

A lot of these international players haven't even returned to their clubs yet so even they probably don't know how serious their injuries are.

PARlance · 09-09-2014 04:31PM

Pipjam wrote: »

What other fora have you seen this tactic re Rooney suggested on? I haven't seen it here and most tactics would be thought of by someone here.

a week ago

PARlance wrote: »

But I've been considering using my wildcard to save/make money... If I use it now and Mata & Rooney drop 0.1 each. I'll be buying them back and making/giving me an extra 0.2 to spend.
They would need a couple of extremely good GWs to rise again if I did nothing.
I really don't want to use the WC for that but there's not going to be many quick 0.1s to be made this season. Most of the 0.2 risers (apart from Dier, Naismith & Jovetic) seem to be lads that you'd want for the season (which isn't much use tbh).

Dearg81 · 09-09-2014 04:33PM

I was going to bring in Falcao on my WC but I think I might give United players a miss for now. I know they have decent fixtures but there's too much uncertainty around the team. Even if they do start banging goals in I can see them being shared around between RVP, Falcao, Rooney, Mata and Di Maria.

zarquon · 09-09-2014 04:34PM

Pipjam wrote: »

Zarquon himself had stated above that the semantics of his initial point was incorrect so we'll leave it at that re the "misunderstanding".

NO! I did not say the semantics of my point was incorrect. I said you misunderstood me due to semantics. Nothing incorrect in what i said, the lack of accuracy was in your understanding.

How on earth can one's own semantics be wrong, by very definition it means presupposition and meaning. I know what i meant, you do not, urgo you were incorrect semantically.

Please stop putting words in my mouth.

Dearg81 wrote: »

I was going to bring in Falcao on my WC but I think I might give United players a miss for now. I know they have decent fixtures but there's too much uncertainty around the team. Even if they do start banging goals in I can see them being shared around between RVP, Falcao, Rooney, Mata and Di Maria.

Falcao only played 13 minutes for Colombia so i have some concerns over his match fitness. LVG might try to ease him in too, particularly if RVP and Rooney are fully fit. If Falcao was fit he would have played a lot more than 13 minutes for colombia. It is the reason why i think that Falcao is a risky pick this week although no more so than Costa.

Dearg81 · 09-09-2014 04:42PM

zarquon wrote: »

Falcao only played 13 minutes for Colombia so i have some concerns over his match fitness. LVG might try to ease him in too, particularly if RVP and Rooney are fully fit. If Falcao was fit he would have played a lot more than 13 minutes for colombia. It is the reason why i think that Falcao is a risky pick this week although no more so than Costa.

It's funny that the three most popular strikers at the moment are also 3 of the most injury prone. I wonder how many times this season all 3 of Aguero, Falcao and Costa will actually be fit at the same time.

markhogan · 09-09-2014 04:43PM

i am thinking rooney for falcao and sanchez for silva

zarquon · 09-09-2014 04:48PM

Dearg81 wrote: »

It's funny that the three most popular strikers at the moment are also 3 of the most injury prone. I wonder how many times this season all 3 of Aguero, Falcao and Costa will actually be fit at the same time.

I think it's great, it's going to really spice things up this season with the uncertainty. People will be afraid to give the armband to a yellow flagger! I think what happened with Costa last GW will be a regular occurence this season. Some weeks it will reap dividends to keep faith, other weeks it will spectacularly backfire.

It's a great way to differentiate.

It will also mean a necessity in having a good bench this year if you go with the big 3 upfront.

alchemist33 · 09-09-2014 04:50PM

zarquon wrote: »

Falcao only played 13 minutes for Colombia so i have some concerns over his match fitness. LVG might try to ease him in too, particularly if RVP and Rooney are fully fit. If Falcao was fit he would have played a lot more than 13 minutes for colombia. It is the reason why i think that Falcao is a risky pick this week although no more so than Costa.

I'd be gobsmacked if Falcao starts this weekend. Utd also have possibly Rafael and Herrera returning from injuries, and Rojo playing his first game. That's enough uncertainty for one team without LVG bringing Falcao in too.

Backstreet Moyes · 09-09-2014 05:00PM

Anybody think Adebayor is worth considering. I want some Spurs coverage i am looking at Adebayor or Lamela.

My other strikers are Costa and Wellbeck and while i want Adebayor i really want a Rooney, Sturridge or Falcao also.

zarquon · 09-09-2014 05:02PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

I'd be gobsmacked if Falcao starts this weekend. Utd also have possibly Rafael and Herrera returning from injuries, and Rojo playing his first game. That's enough uncertainty for one team without LVG bringing Falcao in too.

Precisely. Herrara and Rojo will be played out of necessity. Introducing Falcao from the outset is not a necessity perse if RVP, Rooney and Mata are all available. I reckon, the usual 3 will start upfront and if things are not going well Falcao will be brought on for RVP to shake things up. If they are a few goals up then any of RVP, Rooney or Mata could be subbed for Falcao but either way i would be suprised if falcao starts.

Right now Rooney is the most nailed on of all the united strikers to start so it's foolish imo to transfer him out prior to a game against QPR.

Pipjam · 09-09-2014 05:54PM

PARlance wrote: »

a week ago

I stand corrected. I still can't see it myself though. 270 minutes against 3 at best average teams and Rooney has one goal. One poster even had stats up re how Aguero out scored him in half the pitch time.

If I was looking for a left field pick for the next few weeks, I'd go with Balotelli if Sturridge is out. He didn't score but looked sharper against Spurs than Rooney has in any game.

Pipjam · 09-09-2014 05:57PM

zarquon wrote: »

FFS and Fiso.

It's a moot point anyway. It looks like WC transfers are not included in the price fall/rise calculations based on observation in which case i think his real NTO figures are wildly skewed as most owners on wildcards would have shipped him.

With all the current changes to algorithms it's all guess work now and there is much more of a gamble element and chance to the game than there was before.

Some people have clearly stated they only sold Rooney with the expectation that he would drop in value, i even pondered it myself. If i was guaranteed that he would stay at 10.5 for GW 4 i would certainly keep him as a punt against QPR.

Note he is number 2 on the captaincy poll so it's certainly not a minority opinion i hold.

A high number of people own him already, including myself. Because people are thinking of captaining him cannot be taken as an indicator that they plan to transfer him in given his ownership already. I may even captain him with Costa and Sturridge doubtful.

I stand by my point that I wouldn't expect any "influx" of transfers for him, whatever the semantics of it.

245k transfers out to 11k transfers in shows that. I'd be shocked if Rooney has 20k transfers in by the weekend.

There are better options available based on form.

Griever931 · 09-09-2014 06:07PM

Jovetic out, Welbeck in.

Mr.Prodston · 09-09-2014 10:16PM

I think Jovetic out has to be my priority this week now that I'm finally getting my head back into FPL related thoughts. A one week gamble that didn't work.

auldgranny · 09-09-2014 10:26PM

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

I think Jovetic out has to be my priority this week now that I'm finally getting my head back into FPL related thoughts. A one week gamble that didn't work.

+1

Ramsey vlaar costa and jovetic possibly out!!!!!
Wildcard time????

FHFC · 09-09-2014 11:04PM

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

I think Jovetic out has to be my priority this week now that I'm finally getting my head back into FPL related thoughts. A one week gamble that didn't work.

You win some, you lose some....

My transfers last week failed spectacularly, won't go saying I regret them as both were valid choices and Jovetic a deliberate gamble. Think the wildcard is comin out next week. Same stage I played it at last season.

OneColdHand · 09-09-2014 11:24PM

Costa, Jones and Ramsey all doubts for me now.

Couple that with a few others that I wouldn't mind dumping and the WC is looking pretty tempting now. Will hold off until later in the week though I'd say until we see if there's any news on the injuries. Would love to hold onto the WC for another 1/2 weeks.

Chesty08 · 09-09-2014 11:24PM

auldgranny wrote: »

+1

Ramsey vlaar costa and jovetic possibly out!!!!!
Wildcard time????

Why would you even consider transferring out Ramsey or Costa?

Ramsey - 2 goals from 3 games.

Costa - 4 goals from 3 games and the only reliable big striker at present!

q2ice · 09-09-2014 11:49PM

Chesty08 wrote: »

Why would you even consider transferring out Ramsey or Costa?

Ramsey - 2 goals from 3 games.

Costa - 4 goals from 3 games and the only reliable big striker at present!

Injury doubts. Looks like Ramsey picked up a knock tonight.
Too early in the week to be making decisions like that though.

The Wild Bunch · 10-09-2014 08:03AM

Doesn't look good for Ramsey

Gameweek 4 Transfers.

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