New British Road Safety Vid (Distressing Scenes)

ahmdoda · 06-09-2014 03:01AM

at least his last words wasnt a swear..

CaptainInsano · 06-09-2014 03:09AM

The male driver of the Renault Clio David hit appeared in court following the accident.

The motorist admitted causing death by careless driving and got a 12 months community sentence in April and an 18 month driving ban.

He was also ordered to pay £200 costs with a £60 surcharge and do 130 hours unpaid work.

Ch Insp Spinks added: "We know from the footage that David was travelling up to 100mph. Regardless of the speed of the bike, the car manoeuvre should not have been attempted."

Information on the driver if anyone is interested.

conorh91 · 06-09-2014 03:14AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Fair enough.

My Dad has been in the situation where he has killed someone on the road through no fault if his own (haven't been myself, touch wood)

The fact that the person he killed was doing 'stupid sh1t' doesn't make him feel any better.

No I can't imagine it does.

And I think it's pretty cheap talk for posters to come on here, and bash the biker in the video.

But another part of me thinks 'why not'? He's dead, what does he care? And if it helps make speeding, or "stupid sh1t" less socially acceptable, maybe the end justifies the means in this situation.

06-09-2014 03:26AM

Packrat wrote: »

Pair of em in it. Only one paid the ultimate price though.

The motorist made a mistake, presumably a lapse in concentration, something which I'd hazard a guess happens us all on rare occasions. No malice.

The biker however made a conscious decision to break the speed limit by approx 60% assuming this was a 60 zone, of which we are not sure. By his mothers admission, it would have been a regular thing with him.

Of course the car driver will be demonised.

Brave family though.

Firstly RIP to the deceased and it is incredibly brave and very brave and commendable of the family to release this video.

I crossed a junction a few months back thinking my way was clear. As i was crossing i noticed a motorcyclist a few feet away from me and although at this stage there was no chance of me hitting him thankfully, the fact that i actually didn't see him in the distance until i had crossed was really really frightening. Seeing that ad tonight reminded me that i could have been like that driver. We all make mistakes but unfortunately some will be harder to live with than others. Therefore my sympathies with the driver in that respect. It could have been simply an inexperienced driver that misjudged the situation. Either way its very sad for all concerned,

con___manx1 · 06-09-2014 03:27AM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Are you really suggesting that the driver is the one who's more in the wrong here?

If you look at the first post on the thread. the driver admits not seeing David or a car behind him. Would you pull out in front of speeding traffic without looking? Yes speeding is wrong but careless driving is just as bad . I hope that driver gets a serious road ban at least 5 years

Owenw · 06-09-2014 05:26AM

I am glad for the harsh reminder of how MY driving could impact on others. Stay safe out there.

flynnlives · 06-09-2014 06:05AM

Granted he was speeding but in his defense he did have his lights on.

Had the car driver stopped before taking his turn he would have seen him

davemc180 · 06-09-2014 06:20AM

main road like that you should expect traffic

im a bike driver an I know he was speeding but as I bike driver I can tell you from the bike he was driving would be like a small car coming at you.. not a sport bike

I see this thing daily at slower speeds.. I drive both car and bike but unless you drive a bike your unaware of bikes

r.i.p dave!!!

your with Dunlop and the others now!!

condolances

chatterkiller · 06-09-2014 06:38AM

Yeah he was speeding, but not to the extent that the driver wouldn't have seen him if he'd just looked before driving out. It was a straight road. I would guess that the driver was relying on his peripheral vision - he'd certainly have seen a car approaching at normal speed, but without a proper purposeful check of the road ahead, it would be easy to miss a motorcycle - whether or not it was speeding.

If I were the driver involved, I don't think I'd be able to look at that footage and absolve myself of all blame and guilt just because the motorcyclist was speeding. If you take the speed out of the equation, it's still pretty clear that the car driver didn't take a proper look at the road ahead.

It's a very effective ad, and hopefully will be of benefit to both motorcyclists and drivers. The vulnerability of motorcyclists is scary.

davemc180 · 06-09-2014 07:03AM

as said above

car driver took a glance expecting a car and turned..

bad form and in real life and lack of driving skill

this happens daily an 90% of the time the blame goes to the biker..

BAD BAD FORM..

the amount of post who say he was speeding which he was but not at crazy speed in fairness hes not flying!!!

is unreal.. as said above I drive bikes daily and the amount of speeding wildly over taking cars I see on the roads of Ireland is insane..

but a biker is killed and its **** THAT BIKER FOR SPEEDING is the general reply!!

Dempsey · 06-09-2014 07:33AM

A lot of people defending the car driver when it has already been proven in court that he had significant blame to take.

Kidchameleon · 06-09-2014 08:45AM

That bike would have appeared out of no-where from the drivers perspective. What a fool driving at that speed. Ruined the drivers life, his family's and ended his own.

How far away was the bike when the car made the turn?

chatterkiller · 06-09-2014 08:50AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

That bike would have appeared out of no-where from the drivers perspective. What a fool driving at that speed. Ruined the drivers life, his family's and ended his own.

How far away was the bike when the car made the turn?

Didn't you watch the video?

It was a long straight road. If the driver had looked, he should have certainly seen the bike.

The driver turned without checking the road - the same accident could very easily have happened even if the motorcyclist hadn't been speeding.

wazky · 06-09-2014 08:51AM

There was a crash near me a few year's ago involving a bike and van, the bike hit the van at speed and the biker was catapulted over a hedge and into the next field, apparently the people who first came upon the scene were getting physically sick at the sight of the bikers remains.

Jadaol · 06-09-2014 09:24AM

Cars, bikes, cyclists - everyone - are supposed to drive at safe speeds so they can take evasive action when the need arises. You're always supposed to account for others making mistakes. If you go too fast on any road, and something goes wrong, there's a very good chance it'll end badly.

Canis Lupus · 06-09-2014 09:55AM

I don't think the point of this video is to apportion blame or to discuss who was most at fault.

We're all someones son/daughter and maybe father/mother as well. Regardless of what you drive just be careful.

darced · 06-09-2014 10:12AM

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Tokyo · 06-09-2014 10:15AM

chatterkiller wrote: »

Didn't you watch the video?

It was a long straight road. If the driver had looked, he should have certainly seen the bike.

The driver turned without checking the road - the same accident could very easily have happened even if the motorcyclist hadn't been speeding.

Not trying to assign blame to either motorcyclist or driver, but a quick calculation says that at 97mph, the bike was approaching the junction at 43 metres per second - that's the length of a hurling field every three seconds. With the best will in the world, it's hard to anticipate/react to a vehicle hurtling towards you at that speed, and certainly no room for evasive action from either party.

Moving video for sure though, from both a motorcyclists and drivers point of view.

Say Your Number · 06-09-2014 10:29AM

A few weeks ago I was at a mini-roundabout, there was traffic coming two exits to my right so I just waiting for a opportunity to go, when a car indicated to go into the exit I was waiting at I saw it as a chance to go, just as I was about to move off I noticed a motorbike coming up behind that car but it was too late to change my mind and of course he was flying it, so he forced me to put the foot down in order to avoid a collision.

After that even though I was going slightly uphill he decided to drive alongside me and stare at me for a few seconds before overtaking me, I can understand him being a bit annoyed at me but that was a bit unnecessary especially cos you couldn't see what was coming the other way, if I was aware he was behind the car I would have waited but while I try my best to be safe I still make the odd misjudgement.

Also nearly had a crash similar to this ad when some idiot mindlessly pulled out in front of me and just stopped half blocking the road forcing me to slam on the brakes, only for I was going relatively slowly it could have been fatal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLaTupw-hk

knucklehead6 · 06-09-2014 10:33AM

Clip Clop Clip Clop

Some SERIOUSLY high horses on this thread.

Rabbo · 06-09-2014 10:46AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I don't think the point of this video is to apportion blame or to discuss who was most at fault.

It kinda is. Its not good enough to just tell people to be careful or drive slower. It is no harm for people to be judgemental of others driving and to learn from others mistakes.

In my mind the biker was primarily at fault, he was travelling way too fast to allow for the unexpected. A small error by another roaduser then resulted in a fatal crash.

Anyone on the road will see drivers and road users doing incredibly stupid things on a daily basis. People need to adjust their driving with the expectation that the roadusers around you will inevitably do something stupid. Always expect the unexpected.

smurgen · 06-09-2014 11:03AM

I'd love to own a bike and would be fairly confident of my ability to drive it safetly but the drivers of cars out there today are just so bad,unaware,dosey that a crash would be almost guaranteed sooner or later.

ProfessorPlum · 06-09-2014 11:05AM

mike_ie wrote: »

Not trying to assign blame to either motorcyclist or driver, but a quick calculation says that at 97mph, the bike was approaching the junction at 43 metres per second - that's the length of a hurling field every three seconds. With the best will in the world, it's hard to anticipate/react to a vehicle hurtling towards you at that speed, and certainly no room for evasive action from either party.

Moving video for sure though, from both a motorcyclists and drivers point of view.

Just to add a bit of relativity here. The biker was going very fast, but say he had been at the speed limit, which I'm guessing is 60mph. His closing speed would be 27m/s. That's 16m/s slower than his actual speed. So in the 2 seconds it would have taken the car driver to look, he would have been only about 30m further away. That's not a lot. Bikers and drivers have to realise that bikes are difficult to see on the road, especially when there is other traffic. It's easy to focus on the big vehicle and complete miss the much smaller bike. Both were at fault here. The biker lost his life, the driver will have to live with the consequences of his mistake for the rest of his. No winners here. Slow down, watch out, and expect the unexpected.

The Royal Scam · 06-09-2014 11:09AM

wazky wrote: »

There was a crash near me a few year's ago involving a bike and van, the bike hit the van at speed and the biker was catapulted over a hedge and into the next field, apparently the people who first came upon the scene were getting physically sick at the sight of the bikers remains.

Was this in Kildare?

Mikros · 06-09-2014 11:14AM

I think a few people are missing the point of the video - it's not a blame game where you can simply say oh he was speeding and therefore was responsible for his own death. The video is highlighting how no one goes onto the road planning on being in an accident and just how quick and easy things can go wrong. I'm sure anyone who has driven long enough has had similar slips in concentration, but usually with no harm done.

The complacency that can creep in when driving can and does result in people dying - I think the family of the biker in this video are very brave for putting that out there in such a powerful way.

Wibbs · 06-09-2014 11:29AM

con___manx1 wrote: »

The car driver was not paying attention to the road and killed somebody. That's dangerous driving pure and simple. I hope the driver of that car gets at least a 5 or 10 year driving ban for being such a careless idiot. The road was straight and you could have seen that bike a mile away. I don't no about you but I don't have too many lapse of concentration while Turing off secondary roads . It's a pity it was a motor bike and not a lorry that hit that idiot driver.

You are having a laugh, you really bloody are. A bike doing a 100 mph on a busy enough road weaving in and out of traffic was a tragedy waiting to happen. Stupid bloody risky behaviour and the biker paid the price for it. If that was his usual MO on the road then if it wasn't that day it would have been another. Unless it was a rare day when he went that fast how he got through two decades unscathed is beyond me. I could understand a 19 year old lad being daft on the road, but a 38 year old? WTF?

Did the car driver make a mistake? Yep. Equally you have to ask the question why the hell didn't the biker see the car about to make the turn and not think; "hang on, better ease the fook off he might turn if he hasn't spotted me"? I think like that driving a car. I drive with lights on and never underestimate drops in concentration in other road users and on a road like that no way in hell would I be doing 100 MPH.

The reality is a biker is incredibly vulnerable on the roads. That's the risk you take riding one and you should ride taking that risk into account. Doing a ton on a minor road with junctions and crossing traffic is beyond reckless and stupid.

Put it another way. Make the biker a driver in a quick car. Play the video again. How much sympathy would he get for doing the ton in the same circumstances in a car? Sweet FA and rightly.

I admire the family for backing this campaign but as well as pushing the "think twice, think bike" mantra, they should also be pushing the "Bikers, cop the fook on".

Reedsie · 06-09-2014 11:33AM

CaptainInsano wrote: »

The male driver of the Renault Clio David hit appeared in court following the accident.

The motorist admitted causing death by careless driving and got a 12 months community sentence in April and an 18 month driving ban.

He was also ordered to pay £200 costs with a £60 surcharge and do 130 hours unpaid work.

Ch Insp Spinks added: "We know from the footage that David was travelling up to 100mph. Regardless of the speed of the bike, the car manoeuvre should not have been attempted."

Can't help but feel that he was a bit unfortunate. If the bike was travelling within the recommended speed limit he would have had a much better chance of avoiding the car. It's still careless driving on the car drivers behalf, it's still the exact same dangerous manoeuvre. But it's somewhat because of the motorbikes speed that he is looking at 12 months community sentence and an 18 month driving ban.

Rotunda Shill · 06-09-2014 11:34AM

The car driver obviously did not look twice.

Reedsie · 06-09-2014 11:46AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Expect the unexpected folks, it could be you or me tomorrow.

darced wrote: »

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The Backwards Man wrote: »

You shouldn't be on the road if you don't.

con___manx1 wrote: »

The car driver was not paying attention to the road and killed somebody. That's dangerous driving pure and simple. I hope the driver of that car gets at least a 5 or 10 year driving ban for being such a careless idiot. The road was straight and you could have seen that bike a mile away. I don't no about you but I don't have too many lapse of concentration while Turing off secondary roads . It's a pity it was a motor bike and not a lorry that hit that idiot driver.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

but if you're expecting every other road user to be where they are supposed to be at the speed they are supposed to be all the time then you're going to get in bother eventually.

Funny how these posts direct towards punishing the car driver for not expecting the unexpected. It's quite obvious that the biker was very clearly expecting sweet f*ck all.

One was a car driver who through a lack of concentration made a huge, no doubt regrettable mistake.
The other a man holding onto a motorbike as it bombed extremely dangerously down a public road at 100mph, putting everyone's lives at risk, most of all his own.

Horrible accident. Speed kills.

The Backwards Man · 06-09-2014 11:53AM

Reedsie wrote: »

Funny how these posts direct towards punishing the car driver for not expecting the unexpected. It's quite obvious that the biker was very clearly expecting sweet f*ck all.

One was a car driver who through a lack of concentration made a huge, no doubt regrettable mistake.
The other a man holding onto a motorbike as it bombed extremely dangerously down a public road at 100mph, putting everyone's lives at risk, most of all his own.

Horrible accident. Speed kills.

Don't know where you get that idea, I have no desire to see anyone 'punished.' My interest is in seeing better awareness from ALL road users, and less collisions as a result.

New British Road Safety Vid (Distressing Scenes)

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