New British Road Safety Vid (Distressing Scenes)

Rucking_Fetard

Motorcyclists on Board Cam used, he died in the Collision.

Hard-hitting footage of a fatal collision in Norfolk has been released by police in a bid to get motorcyclists and drivers to think seriously about road safety.
The dramatic film, captured on a headcam fitted to the rider’s helmet, shows the moment a car crosses into the path of Norwich motorcyclist David Holmes who was killed on the A47 at Honingham in June last year (2013).


David’s story, a video featuring clips including the collision as well as an interview with his mother Brenda, has been produced by police with the full support of all his family, who hope the campaign will prevent further deaths.


Viewers of the video are warned that it contains content which some may find distressing, but it does not show any graphic images of the rider during or after the collision and they are given the option to refrain from viewing.


The 38-year-old had been travelling at about 97mph at the time of the collision. While he was travelling above the speed limit the driver admitted to police in interview that he had not seen David, nor a car behind the motorcycle, prior to the collision.

http://www.norfolk.police.uk/newsandevents/newsstories/2014/september/hardhittingvideolaunched.aspx

HIB

Distressing viewing but I think I've genuinely learned a lot from seeing that. Very generous and brave of his family to share it.

El Weirdo

HIB wrote: »

Distressing viewing but I think I've genuinely learned a lot from seeing that. Very generous and brave of his family to share it.

Ditto.

Fair play to his family.

Packrat

Pair of em in it. Only one paid the ultimate price though.

The motorist made a mistake, presumably a lapse in concentration, something which I'd hazard a guess happens us all on rare occasions. No malice.

The biker however made a conscious decision to break the speed limit by approx 60% assuming this was a 60 zone, of which we are not sure. By his mothers admission, it would have been a regular thing with him.

Of course the car driver will be demonised.

Brave family though.

Lucas Castroman

Idiot was going too fast, stupidity is terminal in some cases.

SureYWouldntYa

Makes me never want to ride a motorcycle

You're only as good as the driver you meet

The_Valeyard

Lucas Castroman wrote: »

Idiot was going too fast, stupidity is terminal in some cases.

Harsh comment, the lad died, but yeah way to fast, but did the car also pull out in front?

padd b1975

97mph.

Inexcusable really and he paid the ultimate price for his reckless stupidity.

Lucas Castroman

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Harsh comment, the lad died, but yeah way to fast, but did the car also pull out in front?

The short clips we're shown show him driving aggresively, weaving around traffic at excessive speed. It's frightening even watching from the perspective of his camera. Yeah the car pulled out but he emerged at excessive speed from nowhere after overtaking a car. He's very much the architect of his own downfall.

policarp

That should/could have been me 35 years ago.
We were crazy bikers then.

Hotfail.com

First thing that came to mind was "idiot", you'd think he'd have more sense at 38 years old as well. Don't think the driver of the car was at fault tbh.

darced

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con___manx1

padd b1975 wrote: »

97mph.

Inexcusable really and he paid the ultimate price for his reckless stupidity.

The driver of the car was fairly stupid not looking left too see if any veichles were coming down the road.
I had a near miss recently where a driver failed too look in my direction. If I wasn't paying attention he would be dead now .I braked very close to the drivers door . Just over 2 meters. I was not going fast at all just a complete idiot on him mobile phone not paying attention.

conorh91

Fcuk me, the sound of that man's body crashing, and then you hear the metal from his bike falling to the ground.

We need more graphic reminders of the horror that is often just moments away from any of us, if that is what it takes for greater diligence on the roads.

After a few close scrapes, I hope that cyclists, in particular, get the same chill out of this as I did.

The Backwards Man

Saw something similar in Cannock a few years back, a car was coming out from a junction, van that was turning in flashed him out, bike coming behind the van came around and hit the car, biker was killed (almost instantly, rose his head a few seconds after coming to rest)

Expect the unexpected folks, it could be you or me tomorrow.

Smidge

Very sad loss for any family but have to agree with most posters here.
He was driving not only ridiculously fast but recklessly as well.
He had been biking for 22 years and I'm amazed having seen that clip and how disobeyed the rules of the road how he actually lived that long.

The Backwards Man

darced wrote: »

No one expects a maniac to be approaching at 100mph at a junction

You shouldn't be on the road if you don't.

darced

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Sir Arthur Daley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You shouldn't be on the road if you don't.

Have you super human characteristics that can spot such?

darced

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conorh91

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You shouldn't be on the road if you don't.

OK...that's a ridiculous suggestion.

Nobody would ever cross the road, or overtake, or cross a junction, if they were genuinely expecting oncoming traffic to appear as fast as 100mph.

Whether we like it or not, use of the public road requires a certain amount of mutual trust.

We are vigilant, but at another level, we also trust people not to do stupid sh1t.

People who betray that trust are deserving of criticism.

Even though I feel sad for the biker's family in the original clip, I can understand some vilification of the biker, so long as it makes clear that his kind of behaviour is never socially acceptable.

NightOfTheHunt

Whether on motorbike or driving a car I always go slow enough to stop safely in the event that whatevers in front of me suddenly stops. It's not difficult, wish more people would take these simple measures. The amount of fking retards who tailgate in this country and don't give themselves enough stopping distance infuriates me.

con___manx1

Packrat wrote: »

Pair of em in it. Only one paid the ultimate price though.

The motorist made a mistake, presumably a lapse in concentration, something which I'd hazard a guess happens us all on rare occasions. No malice.

The biker however made a conscious decision to break the speed limit by approx 60% assuming this was a 60 zone, of which we are not sure. By his mothers admission, it would have been a regular thing with him.

Of course the car driver will be demonised.

Brave family though.

The car driver was not paying attention to the road and killed somebody. That's dangerous driving pure and simple. I hope the driver of that car gets at least a 5 or 10 year driving ban for being such a careless idiot. The road was straight and you could have seen that bike a mile away. I don't no about you but I don't have too many lapse of concentration while Turing off secondary roads . It's a pity it was a motor bike and not a lorry that hit that idiot driver.

kowloon

I had someone reverse onto a main road on me before. I wasn't travelling very fast though and managed to just break a mirror off the tyre on the back of his jeep and mount the edge of the ditch. All he could say was 'I didn't see you'. If he had rolled back any faster he could have killed me, even going below the limit.

The Backwards Man

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Have you super human characteristics that can spot such?

Na, I've been in more then my fair share of accidents in my time, but if you're expecting every other road user to be where they are supposed to be at the speed they are supposed to be all the time then you're going to get in bother eventually.

Hotfail.com

con___manx1 wrote: »

The car driver was not paying attention to the road and killed somebody. That's dangerous driving pure and simple. I hope the driver of that car gets at least a 5 or 10 year driving ban for being such a careless idiot. The road was straight and you could have seen that bike a mile away. I don't no about you but I don't have too many lapse of concentration while Turing off secondary roads . It's a pity it was a motor bike and not a lorry that hit that idiot driver.

Are you really suggesting that the driver is the one who's more in the wrong here?

fonecrusher1

The Backwards Man wrote: »

if you're expecting every other road user to be where they are supposed to be at the speed they are supposed to be all the time then you're going to get in bother eventually.

And thats exactly why this guy is six feet under.

The Backwards Man

conorh91 wrote: »

OK...that's a ridiculous suggestion.

Nobody would ever cross the road, or overtake, or cross a junction, if they were genuinely expecting oncoming traffic to appear as fast as 100mph.

Whether we like it or not, use of the public road requires a certain amount of mutual trust.

We are vigilant, but at another level, we also trust people not to do stupid sh1t.

People who betray that trust are deserving of criticism.

Even though I feel sad for the biker's family in the original clip, I can understand some vilification of the biker, so long as it makes clear that his kind of behaviour is never socially acceptable.

Fair enough.

My Dad has been in the situation where he has killed someone on the road through no fault if his own (haven't been myself, touch wood)

The fact that the person he killed was doing 'stupid sh1t' doesn't make him feel any better.

Sir Arthur Daley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Na, I've been in more then my fair share of accidents in my time, but if you're expecting every other road user to be where they are supposed to be at the speed they are supposed to be all the time then you're going to get in bother eventually.

So has no one been in the wrong in all the accidents you were in?

The Backwards Man

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

So has no one been in the wrong in all the accidents you were in?

Of course they have, I've been in the wrong more than once myself.

CaptainInsano

No excuse from either party here, idiotic driving from both. Sadly one of them had to die.
I can't fathom how anyone would drive at that speed at that time of day, the place looks busy enough. Probably the driver in the car didn't comprehend the speed he was approaching or couldn't see him at all but I would ban them off the road for sure. Never take risks.

ahmdoda

at least his last words wasnt a swear..

CaptainInsano

The male driver of the Renault Clio David hit appeared in court following the accident.

The motorist admitted causing death by careless driving and got a 12 months community sentence in April and an 18 month driving ban.

He was also ordered to pay £200 costs with a £60 surcharge and do 130 hours unpaid work.

Ch Insp Spinks added: "We know from the footage that David was travelling up to 100mph. Regardless of the speed of the bike, the car manoeuvre should not have been attempted."


Information on the driver if anyone is interested.

conorh91

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Fair enough.

My Dad has been in the situation where he has killed someone on the road through no fault if his own (haven't been myself, touch wood)

The fact that the person he killed was doing 'stupid sh1t' doesn't make him feel any better.

No I can't imagine it does.

And I think it's pretty cheap talk for posters to come on here, and bash the biker in the video.

But another part of me thinks 'why not'? He's dead, what does he care? And if it helps make speeding, or "stupid sh1t" less socially acceptable, maybe the end justifies the means in this situation.

Packrat

Packrat wrote: »

Pair of em in it. Only one paid the ultimate price though.

The motorist made a mistake, presumably a lapse in concentration, something which I'd hazard a guess happens us all on rare occasions. No malice.

The biker however made a conscious decision to break the speed limit by approx 60% assuming this was a 60 zone, of which we are not sure. By his mothers admission, it would have been a regular thing with him.

Of course the car driver will be demonised.

Brave family though.

Firstly RIP to the deceased and it is incredibly brave and very brave and commendable of the family to release this video.

I crossed a junction a few months back thinking my way was clear. As i was crossing i noticed a motorcyclist a few feet away from me and although at this stage there was no chance of me hitting him thankfully, the fact that i actually didn't see him in the distance until i had crossed was really really frightening. Seeing that ad tonight reminded me that i could have been like that driver. We all make mistakes but unfortunately some will be harder to live with than others. Therefore my sympathies with the driver in that respect. It could have been simply an inexperienced driver that misjudged the situation. Either way its very sad for all concerned,

con___manx1

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Are you really suggesting that the driver is the one who's more in the wrong here?

If you look at the first post on the thread. the driver admits not seeing David or a car behind him. Would you pull out in front of speeding traffic without looking? Yes speeding is wrong but careless driving is just as bad . I hope that driver gets a serious road ban at least 5 years

Owenw

I am glad for the harsh reminder of how MY driving could impact on others. Stay safe out there.

flynnlives

Granted he was speeding but in his defense he did have his lights on.

Had the car driver stopped before taking his turn he would have seen him

davemc180

main road like that you should expect traffic

im a bike driver an I know he was speeding but as I bike driver I can tell you from the bike he was driving would be like a small car coming at you.. not a sport bike

I see this thing daily at slower speeds.. I drive both car and bike but unless you drive a bike your unaware of bikes

r.i.p dave!!!

your with Dunlop and the others now!!

condolances

chatterkiller

Yeah he was speeding, but not to the extent that the driver wouldn't have seen him if he'd just looked before driving out. It was a straight road. I would guess that the driver was relying on his peripheral vision - he'd certainly have seen a car approaching at normal speed, but without a proper purposeful check of the road ahead, it would be easy to miss a motorcycle - whether or not it was speeding.

If I were the driver involved, I don't think I'd be able to look at that footage and absolve myself of all blame and guilt just because the motorcyclist was speeding. If you take the speed out of the equation, it's still pretty clear that the car driver didn't take a proper look at the road ahead.

It's a very effective ad, and hopefully will be of benefit to both motorcyclists and drivers. The vulnerability of motorcyclists is scary.

davemc180

as said above

car driver took a glance expecting a car and turned..

bad form and in real life and lack of driving skill

this happens daily an 90% of the time the blame goes to the biker..

BAD BAD FORM..

the amount of post who say he was speeding which he was but not at crazy speed in fairness hes not flying!!!

is unreal.. as said above I drive bikes daily and the amount of speeding wildly over taking cars I see on the roads of Ireland is insane..

but a biker is killed and its **** THAT BIKER FOR SPEEDING is the general reply!!

Dempsey

A lot of people defending the car driver when it has already been proven in court that he had significant blame to take.

Kidchameleon

That bike would have appeared out of no-where from the drivers perspective. What a fool driving at that speed. Ruined the drivers life, his family's and ended his own.

How far away was the bike when the car made the turn?

chatterkiller

Kidchameleon wrote: »

That bike would have appeared out of no-where from the drivers perspective. What a fool driving at that speed. Ruined the drivers life, his family's and ended his own.

How far away was the bike when the car made the turn?

Didn't you watch the video?

It was a long straight road. If the driver had looked, he should have certainly seen the bike.

The driver turned without checking the road - the same accident could very easily have happened even if the motorcyclist hadn't been speeding.

wazky

There was a crash near me a few year's ago involving a bike and van, the bike hit the van at speed and the biker was catapulted over a hedge and into the next field, apparently the people who first came upon the scene were getting physically sick at the sight of the bikers remains.

Jadaol

Cars, bikes, cyclists - everyone - are supposed to drive at safe speeds so they can take evasive action when the need arises. You're always supposed to account for others making mistakes. If you go too fast on any road, and something goes wrong, there's a very good chance it'll end badly.

Canis Lupus

I don't think the point of this video is to apportion blame or to discuss who was most at fault.

We're all someones son/daughter and maybe father/mother as well. Regardless of what you drive just be careful.

darced

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Tokyo

chatterkiller wrote: »

Didn't you watch the video?

It was a long straight road. If the driver had looked, he should have certainly seen the bike.

The driver turned without checking the road - the same accident could very easily have happened even if the motorcyclist hadn't been speeding.

Not trying to assign blame to either motorcyclist or driver, but a quick calculation says that at 97mph, the bike was approaching the junction at 43 metres per second - that's the length of a hurling field every three seconds. With the best will in the world, it's hard to anticipate/react to a vehicle hurtling towards you at that speed, and certainly no room for evasive action from either party.

Moving video for sure though, from both a motorcyclists and drivers point of view.

Say Your Number

A few weeks ago I was at a mini-roundabout, there was traffic coming two exits to my right so I just waiting for a opportunity to go, when a car indicated to go into the exit I was waiting at I saw it as a chance to go, just as I was about to move off I noticed a motorbike coming up behind that car but it was too late to change my mind and of course he was flying it, so he forced me to put the foot down in order to avoid a collision.

After that even though I was going slightly uphill he decided to drive alongside me and stare at me for a few seconds before overtaking me, I can understand him being a bit annoyed at me but that was a bit unnecessary especially cos you couldn't see what was coming the other way, if I was aware he was behind the car I would have waited but while I try my best to be safe I still make the odd misjudgement.

Also nearly had a crash similar to this ad when some idiot mindlessly pulled out in front of me and just stopped half blocking the road forcing me to slam on the brakes, only for I was going relatively slowly it could have been fatal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLaTupw-hk

knucklehead6

Clip Clop Clip Clop


Some SERIOUSLY high horses on this thread.