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RandomAccess · 04-09-2014 08:39PM

Sure he didn't even have both hands on the handlebars so even if he saw it with time to spare he wouldn't have been able to brake or swerve. Having a dumb-ass in the oncoming car doesn't help things either.

Nino Brown · 04-09-2014 09:11PM

The car driver may have looked and saw a car approaching, and decided they had plenty of time and got distracted by something else, there was only 5 seconds between the bike passing the car and the impact. The car driver obviously should have double checked before moving off, but the vast majority of the blame here lies with the guy on the motorcycle IMO. Doing the best part of a ton, with only one hand on the bar, whilst overtaking at a junction is really asking for trouble.

Chippy01 · 04-09-2014 09:18PM

Nino Brown wrote: »

The car driver may have looked and saw a car approaching, and decided they had plenty of time and got distracted by something else, there was only 5 seconds between the bike passing the car and the impact. The car driver obviously should have double checked before moving off, but the vast majority of the blame here lies with the guy on the motorcycle IMO. Doing the best part of a ton, with only one hand on the bar, whilst overtaking at a junction is really asking for trouble.

Did you actually read the report? Here's a piece of it -
The driver of the Renault, who admitted not seeing David or the car travelling behind, was prosecuted in April. While David was travelling above the speed limit, a number of other drivers had seen both the motorbike and the other car.

Lack of observation on the driver's side, don't you think?

Nino Brown · 04-09-2014 09:20PM

Chippy01 wrote: »

Did you actually read the report? Here's a piece of it -
The driver of the Renault, who admitted not seeing David or the car travelling behind, was prosecuted in April. While David was travelling above the speed limit, a number of other drivers had seen both the motorbike and the other car.

Lack of observation on the driver's side, don't you think?

No I didn't read the report, just watched the video, absolutely a lack of observation on the drivers side, but absolute madness on the bikers side.

RustyNut · 04-09-2014 09:25PM

Nino Brown wrote: »

The car driver may have looked and saw a car approaching, and decided they had plenty of time and got distracted by something else, there was only 5 seconds between the bike passing the car and the impact. The car driver obviously should have double checked before moving off, but the vast majority of the blame here lies with the guy on the motorcycle IMO. Doing the best part of a ton, with only one hand on the bar, whilst overtaking at a junction is really asking for trouble.

No, that collision was caused by the car crossing the path of the biker when the biker had right of way.If the biker was obeying the speed limit and had both hands on the bars when the car crossed his path it would have most likely have ended up the same with the biker hitting the side of the car.

Cocoon · 04-09-2014 09:27PM

RandomAccess wrote: »

Sure he didn't even have both hands on the handlebars so even if he saw it with time to spare he wouldn't have been able to brake or swerve. Having a dumb-ass in the oncoming car doesn't help things either.

He took his hand of the handlebar to thank the driver for moving in out of the way to let him pass, this car observed him coming up from behind. How the driver cut across him with out seeing him I don't know but its every bikers worst nightmare.

punisher5112 · 04-09-2014 09:29PM

There was a study done seen on tv can't think what channel where they put car drivers to the test of pulling out of side roads or across traffic where most never saw any bike.

ZENER · 04-09-2014 10:12PM

I had a friend die in his teens on a motorbike, 17 he was, when you're that age it's incomprehensible, you can't imagine what it was like, you don't blame anyone you just know your friend is gone. That video was a reminder, I knew my friends parents and siblings really well. We lived in the same estate, I went to school with his brother.

I'm paranoid about motorbikes, always give way and make it obvious that I'm doing so if I can so they know it's ok to pass without fear of me pulling right.. If I see a bike behind me who looks like he want to pass me I'll veer left so he can get by safely.

A really uncomfortable reminder of a very bad teenage memory. RIP.

Ken

gutteruu · 04-09-2014 11:30PM

Both car and biker were at fault and I think people are missing this was the point of the family releasing the footage. No point trying to pin blame on one or other.

I would love to own a bike, but I spend all day avoiding clowns who don't see my big white van with its lights on, nevermind a small bike.

Iwannahurl · 05-09-2014 01:41AM

http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/inquest_hears_how_motorcyclist_david_holmes_was_travelling_at_97_miles_per_hour_down_the_a47_at_honingham_when_he_crashed_with_a_turning_car_1_3649858

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/a47_death_crash_driver_disqualified_1_3523497

ardle1 · 05-09-2014 05:08AM

RainyDay wrote: »

Helmetcam footage of death of speeding motorbiker in UK - released by police and family as a lesson to drivers to slow down (but no mention of motorcyclists slowing down)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq2xStb0R-c

http://www.norfolk.police.uk/newsandevents/newsstories/2014/september/hardhittingvideolaunched.aspx

Perfect example of how one minute(you can feel)your in total 100% control.... And the next sec that feeling can be taken from you in the most horrible unexpected fashion, it happens everyday on our roads, there really is no room for complacency!

glic71rods46t0 · 05-09-2014 09:05AM

I would put most of the blame for the fatality on the biker. He was doing a completely stupid speed for the road he was on. Most normal road users encounter people pulling out in front of them regularly enough - it's to be expected and if travelling at a reasonable speed you can stop. This guy couldn't because he was doing a crazy speed

glic71rods46t0 · 05-09-2014 09:07AM

Double post.

MarkR · 05-09-2014 12:25PM

From my trip into work this morning. If I had more space, I would have let him in, but it felt unsafe.

bear1 · 05-09-2014 12:33PM

Very unsafe, but judging from the rear damage to the Caddy I wonder if it was more a case for bash cash?

MarkR · 05-09-2014 12:40PM

Yeah, one careful owner.

05-09-2014 12:49PM

The amount of times I've day dreamed driving towards the tunnel with the intention of turning off for caherdavin is ridiculous. So much money spent on unnecessary tolls!

Mousewar · 05-09-2014 12:56PM

There's possibly nothing that annoys me more on the road than people who use the hard shoulder for no other reason than impatience. Hard Shoulders are there for a reason. They're a refuge for stricken vehicles. More importantly, they're a means of access for emergency vehicles when there's a serious crash and someone may need life-saving assistance.
However, in this video, as on numerous other occasions, they're a means for f**kheads to skip the rest of us and get to work earlier.

Apologies for the long vid - I'm not at my usual computer and can't edit the video, so here's the summary.

1:13 - The UPC van that starts everybody off (Note the massive sign specifically telling people that the hard shoulder is blocked due to an accident - in fact an emergency vehicle had used it only moments before to reach the accident. And a thick cloud of smoke (not visible in the video) in the air was surely evidence that a serious incident of some kind had taken place.)

After that, a load of cars move into the hard shoulder even though we're still some distance from the next exit.

2:50 - The inevitable consequence of this sh*tbag behaviour. Hard shoulder is blocked. No way through for emergency vehicles now.

3:25 - At this point I swore I wasn't letting any of those feckers back in and I blare the blue punto out of it (video on mute so inaudible). In retrospect, letting them in would have cleared the shoulder more quickly so that might have been the better choice.

4:05 - The accident scene. Car on fire apparently.

This is the M50 by the way - I see it a lot there whenever the traffic gets heavy. The absolute gall it takes to assume you're more important than other people, so important that you can use what is effectively an emergency access lane as your own private road, is staggering.

lovelyhurler · 05-09-2014 12:58PM

You were dead right.
If he wanted to get off at that exit he should have got into the correct lane in time.
The amount of times we've all seen that - people rushing up the overtaking lane only to whack an indicator on and cut across lanes just to make an exit - it's not like it just sprung up on ya; you generally get 2Km's notice....

bear1 · 05-09-2014 01:06PM

Re the M50 video, the first thing that came to mind about half way through was "all that undertaking and in the end you still ended up at the back".
Not for all of them I assume but the white Focus for example. Pity there weren't more police around. They'd have made a killing.

MarkR · 05-09-2014 01:22PM

Mousewar wrote: »

There's possibly nothing that annoys me more on the road than people who use the hard shoulder for no other reason than impatience. Hard Shoulders are there for a reason. They're a refuge for stricken vehicles. More importantly, they're a means of access for emergency vehicles when there's a serious crash and someone may need life-saving assistance.
However, in this video, as on numerous other occasions, they're a means for f**kheads to skip the rest of us and get to work earlier.

Apologies for the long vid - I'm not at my usual computer and can't edit the video, so here's the summary.

1:13 - The UPC van that starts everybody off (Note the massive sign specifically telling people that the hard shoulder is blocked due to an accident - in fact an emergency vehicle had used it only moments before to reach the accident. And a thick cloud of smoke (not visible in the video) in the air was surely evidence that a serious incident of some kind had taken place.)

After that, a load of cars move into the hard shoulder even though we're still some distance from the next exit.

2:50 - The inevitable consequence of this sh*tbag behaviour. Hard shoulder is blocked. No way through for emergency vehicles now.

3:25 - At this point I swore I wasn't letting any of those feckers back in and I blare the blue punto out of it (video on mute so inaudible). In retrospect, letting them in would have cleared the shoulder more quickly so that might have been the better choice.

4:05 - The accident scene. Car on fire apparently.

This is the M50 by the way - I see it a lot there whenever the traffic gets heavy. The absolute gall it takes to assume you're more important than other people, so important that you can use what is effectively an emergency access lane as your own private road, is staggering.

That's funny. Earlier today a UPC van passed me, had one of those "how's my driving?" stickers on it. They are committing an offence. I'd send it off to traffic watch.

bugsntinas · 05-09-2014 01:39PM

MarkR wrote: »

From my trip into work this morning. If I had more space, I would have let him in, but it felt unsafe.

i'd put money on the van was trying to cut acroos to the exit.fair play to you.

bladespin · 05-09-2014 01:42PM

rw7h9gbvx5tozy wrote: »

I would put most of the blame for the fatality on the biker. He was doing a completely stupid speed for the road he was on. Most normal road users encounter people pulling out in front of them regularly enough - it's to be expected and if travelling at a reasonable speed you can stop. This guy couldn't because he was doing a crazy speed

Missing the point of it completely, blame one or the other or both, the whole idea is to show the consequences of our actions.
I doubt I'd sleep very well having killed someone by not looking even if they were at fault.

On the aside,it's not that hard to see a bike with it's lights on on the road even at speed, even recently two garda motorcyclists were taken out with full lights on, it only takes a split second to look properly (not just glance) and if there's any doubt it won't kill them to wait.

bugsntinas · 05-09-2014 02:01PM

it's amazing how people don't see things on the road.i remember many years ago in the uk my sister and bf were traveling on a white double decker on an a road,speed limit was 60.i remember from the papers that the bus driver saw a jag stop in the opposite direction to turn right acroos the buses path but apparentl for some reason the driver left it to the last minute to turn needless to say the bus demolished the jag in fact they found a shock absorber stuck in a telegraph pole.i feel for the driver that hit the bike as they have to live with that for the rest of their life but please use your eyes!!

OldMrBrennan83 · 05-09-2014 02:11PM

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wotzgoingon · 05-09-2014 02:34PM

RainyDay wrote: »

Helmetcam footage of death of speeding motorbiker in UK - released by police and family as a lesson to drivers to slow down (but no mention of motorcyclists slowing down)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq2xStb0R-c

http://www.norfolk.police.uk/newsandevents/newsstories/2014/september/hardhittingvideolaunched.aspx

Jesus that's terrible. Who is at fault there?

bear1 · 05-09-2014 02:39PM

Both.

CramCycle · 05-09-2014 02:49PM

bugsntinas wrote: »

it's amazing how people don't see things on the road.

There has to be something funny going on though, mentally, I see it regularly enough where you are approaching a junction, and there is car waiting to pull out. They don't pull out before you arrive, despite plenty of time/space, so you presume that they were just being overly cautious, and then, very last second they pull out, often jumping the clutch and you have to hit the brakes with at best a foot to spare.

gutteruu · 05-09-2014 02:55PM

lovelyhurler wrote: »

You were dead right.
If he wanted to get off at that exit he should have got into the correct lane in time.
The amount of times we've all seen that - people rushing up the overtaking lane only to whack an indicator on and cut across lanes just to make an exit - it's not like it just sprung up on ya; you generally get 2Km's notice....

That exit only has 400 metres notice from sign to exit and the mondeo blocking him took 300 of them to pull in. Could have been cars behind the poster so van had no choice. Not standing up for him, but I would have let him in. If for no other reason than your in his blind spot.

Kenny Logins · 05-09-2014 02:57PM

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Jesus that's terrible. Who is at fault there?

Driver pleaded guilty to causing death by careless driving.

Iwannahurl wrote: »

http://www.derehamtimes.co.uk/news/inquest_hears_how_motorcyclist_david_holmes_was_travelling_at_97_miles_per_hour_down_the_a47_at_honingham_when_he_crashed_with_a_turning_car_1_3649858

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/a47_death_crash_driver_disqualified_1_3523497

Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

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