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RTÉ Two to relaunch as RTÉ2 on 22/9/14

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  • #32
    Elmo
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    endakenny wrote: »
    That will change soon because BBC3 will be turned into an online-only (and thus geo-blocked) strand of programming.

    BBC are move BBC Three programmes to online as more and more younger viewers choose on demand TV over conventional viewing. Though at the same time ITV choose to launch ITV Be.

    RTÉ will continue to race after E4, ITV2, Sky1 etc for no apparent reason.


  • #33
    Onthe3rdDay
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    Elmo wrote: »
    BBC are move BBC Three programmes to online as more and more younger viewers choose on demand TV over conventional viewing. Though at the same time ITV choose to launch ITV Be.

    RTÉ will continue to race after E4, ITV2, Sky1 etc for no apparent reason.

    It's possible that the BBC Trust won't allow BBC 3 to go online only. Even though times are changing. they're not changing that quickly.

    I can see the reason that they would race after E4 Etc. Try to build some loyalty with the younger generation. At the moment RTE 1 is in very good health but those that are watching it were the same ones watching the Den in 80s and 90s and The End while they were at college.

    However, now all 15-34's seem to watch is UK stations for general entertainment. A prime example of this would be the likes of the Republic of Telly which was getting only 78,000 viewers in April (and that was their best show ratings wise that month) Compare that to say Don't feed the Gondolas
    which was closer to 200,000 average per ep.


  • #34
    Ignorant etc.
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    Elmo wrote: »
    They value their funding. The language barrier means they can take risks without looking over the shoulder at Popular English programming (though this is more an issue here than in Wales) & they can take some risks.

    On the other hand RTÉ TWO is constantly look over its shoulder at BBC3

    I'm not certain that its correct that there is more pressure from British programming here than in Wales. Wales is part of the state where that programming is being made.

    I think the documentary making on TG4 and S4C is exemplary though. They very rarely make a poor quality one and their research is always extremely well conducted. I would imagine its even better if you can understand the languages they broadcast in.

    To be honest, I think about the only thing RTÉ consistently does well is GAA coverage, and then that could be improved by getting rid of Des and Marty.


  • #35
    Onthe3rdDay
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    Ignorant etc. wrote: »
    I'm not certain that its correct that there is more pressure from British programming here than in Wales. Wales is part of the state where that programming is being made.

    I think the documentary making on TG4 and S4C is exemplary though. They very rarely make a poor quality one and their research is always extremely well conducted. I would imagine its even better if you can understand the languages they broadcast in.

    To be honest, I think about the only thing RTÉ consistently does well is GAA coverage, and then that could be improved by getting rid of Des and Marty.

    The problem with TG4 and S4C is few watch either, However I will say for the levels of funding per viewer TG4 does a much better job.

    RTE isn't that bad as such, it's still probably one of the 3 top Broadcasters in Europe if you exclude British Broadcasters. Most European TV is still very poor. RTE's Sports Coverage can be good, it's Traditional Music programmes are well put together at times. Nationwide is loved by those that watch it, and while it's not my cup of tea it's a professional Product.

    Some of the Documentaries it does are excellent and every once and a while it does good Drama.

    In many parts of Europe we have to remember that TV3 would be considered a decent station!!!


  • #36
    Elmo
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    Ignorant etc. wrote: »
    I'm not certain that its correct that there is more pressure from British programming here than in Wales. Wales is part of the state where that programming is being made.

    I could be wrong but BBC Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland don't produce very many talent, reality, celebrity driven programmes unlike RTÉ and TV3 who ape BBC and ITV (The Voice, The Apprentice, Dragon's Den) don't get me wrong their important but when TG4 and S4C produce talent or reality even celebrity they tend to do it differently and for some reason it works (ok TG4 get a skinker or 2 every now and then but that should be expected).

    The problem that Wales, Scotland and Nothern Ireland have is that almost everything is produced in England even some of the programmes produced by the BBC by the nations for "national" consumption is large based and aimed at an English audience. I don't think I have seen a Welsh drama or comedy outside Gavin & Stacey. S4C should be welcomed by the welsh for supporting a wide range of programming outside News and Current Affairs. Is there a welsh English language soap?


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  • #37
    Ignorant etc.
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    Onthe3rdDay wrote: »
    The problem with TG4 and S4C is few watch either, However I will say for the levels of funding per viewer TG4 does a much better job.

    RTE isn't that bad as such, it's still probably one of the 3 top Broadcasters in Europe if you exclude British Broadcasters. Most European TV is still very poor. RTE's Sports Coverage can be good, it's Traditional Music programmes are well put together at times. Nationwide is loved by those that watch it, and while it's not my cup of tea it's a professional Product.

    Some of the Documentaries it does are excellent and every once and a while it does good Drama.

    In many parts of Europe we have to remember that TV3 would be considered a decent station!!!

    Depends, I would argue that S4C matches TG4 pound for pound. Its just that S4C tends to be a bit more narrowminded in terms of the breadth of its documentaries etc. focussing much more on local issues whereas TG4 isn't afraid to tackle international issues. However, that probably suits the audience because your average Cymraeg speaker isn't usually the most open-minded of fellows.

    Your point about European TV is spot on though.


  • #38
    Cork_chick_94
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    Would it be a good idea for RTE to make their own new Teen/young adult soap for RTE two ? I think they badly need an new flagship evening show for the schedule, everyone interested in Home and away watch it online now and how many more years are they going to show old simpsons eposides at 6pm ?


  • #39
    Elmo
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    Cork_chick_94 wrote: »
    Would it be a good idea for RTE to make their own new Teen/young adult soap for RTE two ? I think they badly need an new flagship evening show for the schedule, everyone interested in Home and away watch it online now and how many more years are they going to show old simpsons eposides at 6pm ?

    There was a plan in the early 2000s to launch a teen soap on the channel. I personally don't think teens would be all that impressed by a soap. I would rather see them try a hour long series like Freeks and Geeks or Boston Public.


  • #40
    Ignorant etc.
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    Elmo wrote: »
    I could be wrong but BBC Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland don't produce very many talent, reality, celebrity driven programmes unlike RTÉ and TV3 who ape BBC and ITV (The Voice, The Apprentice, Dragon's Den) don't get me wrong their important but when TG4 and S4C produce talent or reality even celebrity they tend to do it differently and for some reason it works (ok TG4 get a skinker or 2 every now and then but that should be expected).

    The problem that Wales, Scotland and Nothern Ireland have is that almost everything is produced in England even some of the programmes produced by the BBC by the nations for "national" consumption is large based and aimed at an English audience. I don't think I have seen a Welsh drama or comedy outside Gavin & Stacey. S4C should be welcomed by the welsh for supporting a wide range of programming outside News and Current Affairs. Is there a welsh English language soap?

    No, but then there isn't a soap based in Birmingham and other major cities. Only Manchester, Yorkshire, London and Chester have soaps. Dublin has an unwatchable one.

    I do think people expect a bit too much though. England is well over three times bigger than Ireland, Wales and Scotland put together in terms of population.


  • #41
    Elmo
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    Ignorant etc. wrote: »
    No, but then there isn't a soap based in Birmingham and other major cities. Only Manchester, Yorkshire, London and Chester have soaps. Dublin has an unwatchable one.

    I do think people expect a bit too much though. England is well over three times bigger than Ireland, Wales and Scotland put together in terms of population.

    TBH their all pretty unwatchable lately, and you have to take in to consideration that Fair City has less of a budget than Pobol y Cym.

    But you mention Manchester, Yorkshire, London and Chester, why not replace one of these with Cardiff or Swansea. As you point out they are part of the one nation. It make no real difference if a soap is set in any of Scottish, Irish or Welsh Cities. England may have a huge population but in terms of the UK they are part of that as a Nation therefore surely some of its national soaps should come from those cities. To me the current crop of English soaps are only different through regional accents.

    They even have a fictional city of Holby for Holby City and Casualty.


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  • #42
    Onthe3rdDay
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    Ignorant etc. wrote: »
    Depends, I would argue that S4C matches TG4 pound for pound. Its just that S4C tends to be a bit more narrowminded in terms of the breadth of its documentaries etc. focussing much more on local issues whereas TG4 isn't afraid to tackle international issues. However, that probably suits the audience because your average Cymraeg speaker isn't usually the most open-minded of fellows.

    Your point about European TV is spot on though.

    It wouldn't be so much in the quality more the funding. S4C will get appox 100 million euro in Funding in 2015 (about 76 million pounds from the BBC and around 5 million from UK Govt.)

    On the other hand TG4 will get 45 to 50 million Euro in 2015. (obviously if same levels of current funding continue)

    Then when you get to audience share, Almost no one watches S4C since all the Channel 4 shows were dropped. 0.1 percent.

    On the other hand TG4 is at 2.3 percent. Of Course TG4 also shows english language shows but the point is that TG4 is actually watched at times while S4C isn't. Part of that is that TG4 feels welcoming even if you don't speak Irish. I don't think it's the same for S4C.


  • #43
    Onthe3rdDay
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    Elmo wrote: »
    TBH their all pretty unwatchable lately, and you have to take in to consideration that Fair City has less of a budget than Pobol y Cym.

    But you mention Manchester, Yorkshire, London and Chester, why not replace one of these with Cardiff or Swansea. As you point out they are part of the one nation. It make no real difference if a soap is set in any of Scottish, Irish or Welsh Cities. England may have a huge population but in terms of the UK they are part of that as a Nation therefore surely some of its national soaps should come from those cities. To me the current crop of English soaps are only different through regional accents.

    They even have a fictional city of Holby for Holby City and Casualty.

    I think the people of Scotland and Wales would have a major problem with you saying they're all one Nation. All one country Perhaps but One Nation not so much.

    Also I do think that Scotland is very different in many ways to England. If you were to make a Scottish soap that was truly Scottish I don't think it would play very well in England. In fact I find that the republic in many ways has a closer mindset to England than parts of Wales and Scotland.


  • #44
    Elmo
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    Onthe3rdDay wrote: »
    Also I do think that Scotland is very different in many ways to England. If you were to make a Scottish soap that was truly Scottish I don't think it would play very well in England. In fact I find that the republic in many ways has a closer mindset to England than parts of Wales and Scotland.

    Largely because over the years our mass media has come from England. We don't get to see the scots or the welsh on TV. I wonder if any of the modern soaps really represent all of England or even their own cities, for a rural area the Yorkshire Dales characters are all very very Urban.

    Getting back to RTÉ TWO why doesn't it show River City? for that matter why doesn't BBC ONE NI or Wales?


  • #45
    Onthe3rdDay
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    Elmo wrote: »
    Largely because over the years our mass media has come from England. We don't get to see the scots or the welsh on TV. I wonder if any of the modern soaps really represent all of England or even their own cities, for a rural area the Yorkshire Dales characters are all very very Urban.

    Getting back to RTÉ TWO why doesn't it show River City? for that matter why doesn't BBC ONE NI or Wales?

    Actually Not so much RTE TWO but I always Thought TV3 could have used it to beef up it's schedules. The reason the rest of the UK don't show it is that it wouldn't get the numbers required. Supposedly Drama from the Regions/Nations doesn't play as well as you'd think.

    Also just to point out Neither Coronation Street, Eastenders and Emmerdale are nowhere near close to real life in England today, they're just modern day fairytales.


  • #46
    Elmo
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    Onthe3rdDay wrote: »
    Actually Not so much RTE TWO but I always Thought TV3 could have used it to beef up it's schedules. The reason the rest of the UK don't show it is that it wouldn't get the numbers required. Supposedly Drama from the Regions/Nations doesn't play as well as you'd think.

    BBC NI and Wales even the English regions are Public Service Broadcasters. Can you show me how badly River City has played out on either BBC 1 NI or BBC 1 Wales? Up to channel controllers in each nation to at least give some regional/nations drama ago. Though in fairness to Ignorant etc. they are probably better capable of answering these questions.

    RTÉ TWO needs a major overhaul and its a pity that they didn't get to drop RTÉJR programming at the very least.


  • #47
    Ignorant etc.
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    Elmo wrote: »
    TBH their all pretty unwatchable lately, and you have to take in to consideration that Fair City has less of a budget than Pobol y Cym.

    But you mention Manchester, Yorkshire, London and Chester, why not replace one of these with Cardiff or Swansea. As you point out they are part of the one nation. It make no real difference if a soap is set in any of Scottish, Irish or Welsh Cities. England may have a huge population but in terms of the UK they are part of that as a Nation therefore surely some of its national soaps should come from those cities. To me the current crop of English soaps are only different through regional accents.

    They even have a fictional city of Holby for Holby City and Casualty.

    There is a difference between Coronation Street and Emmerdale on the one hand and Eastenders on the other. I'm not a fan of any soap really, though I will occasionally watch the other two. However, the first two do at least have a sense of humour at times whereas Eastenders is just gloom.

    I think another user hit the nail on the head when s/he said that the English wouldn't watch a Scottish soap. The Welsh, Scottish and Irish for that matter are far more open to watching an English soap than the English would be to watching a Welsh/Scottish/Irish soap.

    You're also missing a major point, at least in terms of Wales. Wales is a country split in two. North Wales looks to Manchester and Liverpool as its "capital" cities. North Walians have very little interest in Cardiff or Swansea, and South Walians have very little interest in the north. I would suspect that a Cardiffian soap would find very few viewers amongst the gogs.


  • #48
    Onthe3rdDay
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    Elmo wrote: »
    BBC NI and Wales even the English regions are Public Service Broadcasters. Can you show me how badly River City has played out on either BBC 1 NI or BBC 1 Wales? Up to channel controllers in each nation to at least give some regional/nations drama ago. Though in fairness to Ignorant etc. they are probably better capable of answering these questions.

    RTÉ TWO needs a major overhaul and its a pity that they didn't get to drop RTÉJR programming at the very least.

    I can't. All I can say is that is that it's the view of BBC Managers that Stuff from Scotland and Wales won't do well in England, and I would put forward that if you look at the schedules of BBC 1 or BBC 2 you're very unlikely to get any normal amount of content from those Nations. Even content that does make it is usually Monach of the Glen type stuff, which is just A shortcake box view of Scotland.

    You will get a lot of productions from those Nations but it's the Doctor Who type Stuff that goes out Tonight that could have been based at any of their production sites.

    However, those BBC Managers may (or may not) have a point. I've a good few Irish and English friends who have all seen Limmy's Show! Most of my Irish friends think he's great, most of the English one's couldn't understand what he was saying and found him depressing (which he is but brilliantly so) It's a BBC Scotland production. He had three Series and he only got a half hour on BBC Three late one night, as far as I'm aware.

    Now there's another show RTE 2 could Show... Limmy's Show! Top Notch Comedy which hasn't been seen anywhere expect Scotland.


  • #49
    Grab All Association
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    Ignorant etc. wrote: »
    No, but then there isn't a soap based in Birmingham and other major cities. Only Manchester, Yorkshire, London and Chester have soaps. Dublin has an unwatchable one.

    I do think people expect a bit too much though. England is well over three times bigger than Ireland, Wales and Scotland put together in terms of population.


    Doctors on BBC One is filmed and set in Birmingham.

    I hate soaps but Doctors is good


  • #50
    Ignorant etc.
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    Chris___ wrote: »
    Doctors on BBC One is filmed and set in Birmingham.

    I hate soaps but Doctors is good

    OK, sorry, I didn't realise. However, I doubt every major urban centre in England has its own soap. I also stand by my point that the English would be far slower to watch Welsh/Irish/Scottish produced programmes than we would theirs and that North Walians wouldn't be attracted to a South Wales soap in the same way they would be to a Manchester or a Liverpool one.


  • #51
    Elmo
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    Ignorant etc. wrote: »
    OK, sorry, I didn't realise. However, I doubt every major urban centre in England has its own soap. I also stand by my point that the English would be far slower to watch Welsh/Irish/Scottish produced programmes than we would theirs and that North Walians wouldn't be attracted to a South Wales soap in the same way they would be to a Manchester or a Liverpool one.

    That is fine but is that the case for Welsh watching Scottish or Northern Irish Soaps. Has it ever been proven by BBC Wales or Northern Ireland that River City would not suit their BBC 1 schedule of soaps?

    Also I am not suggesting that every major area of England would get a soap or drama or that each Nation one have one, there are only so many soaps you can produce.


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  • #52
    Ignorant etc.
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    First you will have to excuse my ignorance because I have no idea what River City is.

    However, to be honest I think the general Welsh population is extremely partisan. The North Walians will not watch, in general, something about Cardiff because it has absolutely no resonance for them. Manchester absolutely. Liverpool and Manchester are seen as the "capitals" of North Wales. London will always have an advantage, because as much as the Welsh Nationalists would like to have us believe different, its the capital.

    The simple fact is money isn't plowed into a Welsh soap, nor a Scottish one, because it would have a very localised audience.

    Another side of the discussion is that the places you are talking about, Wales, Scotland and the six counties represent regions in the grand scheme of things. Lets be honest here, BBC Northwest covers an area far greater in terms of population than any of the nations. Greater Manchester, I would hazard a guess, has a population greater than the six counties. Between them, Greater Manchester and Merseyside probably top the population of Wales. And from Chester up to Carlisle and everything in between, I'd wager Scotland's population is topped. That's why the English regions produce far more television. Because, in respect to the "nations", the English regions are ****ing huge.


  • #53
    Sam Russell
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    Ignorant etc. wrote: »
    First you will have to excuse my ignorance because I have no idea what River City is.

    However, to be honest I think the general Welsh population is extremely partisan. The North Walians will not watch, in general, something about Cardiff because it has absolutely no resonance for them. Manchester absolutely. Liverpool and Manchester are seen as the "capitals" of North Wales. London will always have an advantage, because as much as the Welsh Nationalists would like to have us believe different, its the capital.

    The simple fact is money isn't plowed into a Welsh soap, nor a Scottish one, because it would have a very localised audience.

    Another side of the discussion is that the places you are talking about, Wales, Scotland and the six counties represent regions in the grand scheme of things. Lets be honest here, BBC Northwest covers an area far greater in terms of population than any of the nations. Greater Manchester, I would hazard a guess, has a population greater than the six counties. Between them, Greater Manchester and Merseyside probably top the population of Wales. And from Chester up to Carlisle and everything in between, I'd wager Scotland's population is topped. That's why the English regions produce far more television. Because, in respect to the "nations", the English regions are ****ing huge.

    I think the reason Norther England is stong in TV is because of the success of Granada TV in the early days. No other ITV region was nearly as successful, possibly because the London region was split.


  • #54
    Onthe3rdDay
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I think the reason Norther England is stong in TV is because of the success of Granada TV in the early days. No other ITV region was nearly as successful, possibly because the London region was split.

    It was also the philosophy of the original Owners, they wanted Granada to be like the BBC. They used to show programmes in prime time right up to the 80's that had no appeal what so ever to advertisers. (They were making bucket loads of cash from TV rentals as well so the company had a huge source of second income)


  • #55
    Onthe3rdDay
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    Elmo wrote: »
    That is fine but is that the case for Welsh watching Scottish or Northern Irish Soaps. Has it ever been proven by BBC Wales or Northern Ireland that River City would not suit their BBC 1 schedule of soaps?

    No I don't think it has, but BBC are centrally controlling the schedule in that case. Nations would have to give up some of their own time to broadcast River City and they have their own programmes to show/look after.

    I don't know Wales as well as I know Northern Ireland but I will say River City would do well in NI if you could get them to watch (slow to change) I don't know if it would do well in Wales.


  • #56
    irishmusicfeed
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    FOX TV's new series 'Gotham' will première on the new look RTE 2 in the autumn.


  • #57
    Elmo
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    irishmusicfeed wrote: »
    FOX TV's new series 'Gotham' will première on the new look RTE 2 in the autumn.

    Hopeful they will have it next day from the states.


  • #58
    Elmo
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    Well RTÉ TWO seem to think the way to go is to replicate Xposé!

    http://www.her.ie/celeb/rte-to-take-on-tv3-with-new-fashion-and-entertainment-show/

    We must be missing something!


  • #59
    Onthe3rdDay
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    Elmo wrote: »
    Well RTÉ TWO seem to think the way to go is to replicate Xposé!

    http://www.her.ie/celeb/rte-to-take-on-tv3-with-new-fashion-and-entertainment-show/

    We must be missing something!

    We're not, there's always been a Market for these types of Shows. Done right this could take a lot of Xpose viewers, I would expect very little of the infomercial feel that Xpose currently has.

    However, if done incorrectly it's just another RTE2 Failure on top of all the others over the last few years.

    I don't think many on this section of boards would be the target Market.


  • #60
    Cork_chick_94
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    Its not going head to head with xpose, Its only a six part series http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2014/0826/639534-rte-announces-its-new-fashion-tv-show-for-autumn/


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  • #61
    Elmo
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    Re-launching announcement on 11th Sept


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