Scrap the dole!

Calina · 23-08-2014 08:10PM

Gannicus wrote: »

They are limited to ESSENTIALS. Food, clothes paying the ESB & Heating bills school books for kids.

I left out internet access as the UN in their "infinite wisdom", deemed Wi-Fi as a basic human right.

IF you want people to be proactively looking for jobs, internet helps a lot.

Frankly I could leave without cable television but internet is utterly essential in today's world, particularly if, as people in this thread have been suggesting, you want to use it for job hunting and watching educational videos from MIT.

Shakespeare's Sister · 23-08-2014 08:11PM

Tarzana wrote: »

can't take you seriously at all

I would say you're being wise on that score.
IWF is really really young too (even though he seems about 70). Hasn't a clue about life.

Iwasfrozen · 23-08-2014 08:12PM

Calina wrote: »

You're obsessed with cleaning neighbour's yards for a fiver with a brush.

lol I may have an idea for an evening job.

con___manx1 · 23-08-2014 08:13PM

mphalo1 wrote: »

the reason half the country have left to work abroad is because they are on the dole and can't sit around waiting for the economy to recover, the other half dont want to go this is their home and are entitled to stay its their land, let's not forget here the banks and corrupt governments brought this country down 99% of the people on the dole at present helped build it up during the Celtic tiger , just because you have managed to find or keep your job now doesn't mean your not ever going to lose it and when you do where will we see you standing inline at the dole hall or on the docks leaving (PS good luck with that when no one will buy your possessions and you have kids and a house in negative equity so you retrain with a class full of people doing the same thing and apply for the same job as hundred other people. people are not better off on the dole they have just got used to living tightly within their means with sod all disposable income and no way to save without serious sacrifices. the country will eventually recover and everyone will get job offers again hopefully soon and jealous assholes like you can no longer look down your nose at them anymore even tho the dole Q is full of highly trained people that could look down their nose at you!! its important to be nice to people on your way up as you might meet them on the way down , is my motto

Really great post I agree with you 100%.

Iwasfrozen · 23-08-2014 08:13PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

I would say you're being wise on that score.
IWF is really really young too (even though he seems about 70). Hasn't a clue about life.

What age do you think I am?

Tarzana · 23-08-2014 08:14PM

Gannicus wrote: »

They are limited to ESSENTIALS. Food, clothes paying the ESB & Heating bills school books for kids.

Yup, you made that clear. So, what to do with the excess. And the fact that human beings are social creatures. It doesn't even mean going to the pub. Visiting a friend, most people don't like to go with arms swinging. Would a person be allowed to buy a packet of biscuits with their card to bring over to get some much needed human interaction? Or to provide some refreshments whilst having people to visit? How would this card work? Would a person be in a supermarket, try to pay for something that is deemed non-essential, no matter how small the item, and have their card refused or have to put the item back. How lovely.

Seriously, flesh this out a bit more.

Tarzana · 23-08-2014 08:15PM

Calina wrote: »

Frankly I could leave without cable television but internet is utterly essential in today's world, particularly if, as people in this thread have been suggesting, you want to use it for job hunting and watching educational videos from MIT.

I'm learning to type online at the moment, amongst other things. I'm employed, I should point out, but the internet is a great resource for the unemployed.

anncoates · 23-08-2014 08:16PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What age do you think I am?

15?

Shakespeare's Sister · 23-08-2014 08:18PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What age do you think I am?

Early 20s. Still in college, therefore next to zero life experience. I'm around Boards a long time and remember being amazed you were only a teenager as I had assumed you were an auld fella.

RayM · 23-08-2014 08:18PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What age do you think I am?

Around 19 or 20?

TGJD · 23-08-2014 08:18PM

anncoates wrote: »

15?

Sounds about right.

dark crystal · 23-08-2014 08:20PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

I would say you're being wise on that score.
IWF is really really young too (even though he seems about 70). Hasn't a clue about life.

He seems to have learned everything he knows from the Ayn Rand handbook on how to approach life.

Iwasfrozen · 23-08-2014 08:21PM

RayM wrote: »

Around 19 or 20?

No, up.

mphalo1 · 23-08-2014 08:21PM

Iwasfrozen wrote:

Does LTU have a brush in his house? If so why not go around to all of his neighbours and ask them if he can clean their yard for a fiver? He could earn enough money to go to Alphonsus's birthday party.

then he would be a dole cheat

Mark Tapley · 23-08-2014 08:22PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

What age do you think I am?

15 and 3/4

woodoo · 23-08-2014 08:23PM

I can't understand why they don't start to reduce it significantly after a few years. Even after 3 -5 years under present circumstances. If it reduces after a time it keeps people from getting comfortable on it.

Iwasfrozen · 23-08-2014 08:25PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Early 20s. Still in college, therefore next to zero life experience. I'm around Boards a long time and remember being amazed you were only a teenager as I had assumed you were an auld fella.

Nah early 20s but finished college and in full time employment.

handbagmad · 23-08-2014 08:27PM

I really think some of the "elitist" people wanting to abolish the dole live with their heads in the clouds.

I sincerely hope you don't loose your job OP be plunged into not being able to afford your mortgage payments, searching aimlessly for work in an area that has turned into a ghost town.

Having to beg like a pauper to welfare to get what you are entitled to after having worked and paid tax here for 15yrs.

So yeah sure kick people when they are down,

Son Of A Vidic · 23-08-2014 08:33PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why should society give them anything when they don't benefit society?

Your posts are full of such unfettered resentment towards your fellow human beings, I'm surprised you don't choke on your own bitterness...

ROFL.:D

Dark crystal, that is simply magnificent.

on_my_oe · 23-08-2014 08:35PM

They've introduced cards in NZ for benefit claimants, currently for under 25s but to be expanded. The cards include a photo and are restricted to certain products and stores, with alcohol and cigarettes obviously excluded. Rent is paid to landlords, avoiding rent arrears issues. A small sum ($20 or thereabouts) is paid into their bank account to be used freely for things like PAYG credit or vices. If they want more freedom over their cash flow, they need to earn it themselves.

Benefits are a hand up, not a hand out and should never be a lifestyle choice. One of my neighbours hasn't worked in the three years I've lived beside him, although their brood continues to expand. A couple of months ago, we came home to see they'd upgraded their car to a 2012 BMW. Now it's possible they manage to finance the new car by careful budgeting but the constant stench of cannabis and the steady stream of visitors who rarely stay longer than five minutes suggests otherwise.

I work full time. I also study part time because I think I've got more to offer an employer and I want a higher wage.

threeball · 23-08-2014 08:36PM

The dole should be in direct correlation to your working life. You should be given dole for a time period equivalent to 20 or 25% of your working life. If youve worked for four years you'd be entitled to 1yrs dole and so forth. Anyone thats worked for 12 or 16yrs is not someone who will sit on the dole so a safe bet they'll be back in work in the time allowed. People with careers shorter than this are usually under 35 and are better served being back in work asap either in the state or out of it. The rest don't want a job regardless and should be treated as such. You should get nothing for nothing

ireland.man · 23-08-2014 08:40PM

The hatred and bile thrown at people on the dole is becoming almost pathological. It's all the more disturbing considering we're in a recession and we've come from a period of prosperity when very, very few people claimed social welfare.

Gannicus · 23-08-2014 08:40PM

Tarzana wrote: »

Yup, you made that clear. So, what to do with the excess. And the fact that human beings are social creatures. It doesn't even mean going to the pub. Visiting a friend, most people don't like to go with arms swinging. Would a person be allowed to buy a packet of biscuits with their card to bring over to get some much needed human interaction? Or to provide some refreshments whilst having people to visit? How would this card work? Would a person be in a supermarket, try to pay for something that is deemed non-essential, no matter how small the item, and have their card refused or have to put the item back. How lovely.

Seriously, flesh this out a bit more.

Theere is plenty you can do for free sit in a park, walk the beach, cycle your bike, go for a jog. In fact all this free stuff is much healthier than smoking and drinking too so this wuld even stand to benefit our already overstretched HSE. (P.s. I smoke so I am aware of the irony of banning smokes on this card system)

I love how this country resorts to "people being social vreatures" to excuse our nations problem with drink.

Being a bit too precise with the like of using a packet of crisps or "refreshments" as luxuries. t wouldn't exactly be a huge list of items restricted on the card so its not like it would be hard for people to know what is not essential.

mphalo1 · 23-08-2014 08:42PM

woodoo wrote:

I can't understand why they don't start to reduce it significantly after a few years. Even after 3 -5 years under present circumstances. If it reduces after a time it keeps people from getting comfortable on it.

like getting comfortable on a bed of nails , what they need to do is let people that get the odd days work keep the extra few Bob and not deduct 50% of their wages from their dole it ruins incentive . eg. Steve goes to work for 8 hours with an hour and a half drive to get to work. he informs social he earned 80yoyos for his work . cool they deduct him 40 yoyos from his dole a week later plus it was 20yoyos for petrol and we won't even get into the wear on his tools/car whatever, so Steve earned if he was lucky and didn't break anything 20yoyos for 8 hours work ( that's the problem here punished for getting off your ass and not helped just straight away yoink we,ll take that now get back where you started

Gannicus · 23-08-2014 08:49PM

mphalo1 wrote: »

like getting comfortable on a bed of nails , what they need to do is let people that get the odd days work keep the extra few Bob and not deduct 50% of their wages from their dole it ruins incentive . eg. Steve goes to work for 8 hours with an hour and a half drive to get to work. he informs social he earned 80yoyos for his work . cool they deduct him 40 yoyos from his dole a week later plus it was 20yoyos for petrol and we won't even get into the wear on his tools/car whatever, so Steve earned if he was lucky and didn't break anything 20yoyos for 8 hours work ( that's the problem here punished for getting off your ass and not helped just straight away yoink we,ll take that now get back where you started

Although great in theory. How many people during the boom and even now are claiming and working full time? The amount of people being caught for defrauding the system has taken a massive increase. Why make it easier for them. we should be looking at reducing rent allowance too as its propping up an already overinflated rental market. people need to be incentivized by either the carrot or the stick.

I've reported at least 5 people in the last 3 years for welfare fraud. all 5 of them caught and I will continue to do it as I feel its my civic duty like jury duty or cleaning up after my dog when I bring him for a walk.

Turtwig · 23-08-2014 08:52PM

Gannicus wrote: »

Theere is plenty you can do for free sit in a park, walk the beach, cycle your bike, go for a jog. In fact all this free stuff is much healthier than smoking and drinking too so this wuld even stand to benefit our already overstretched HSE.

How does one get to the park? Where does the bike come from? (Steal it?) Where does the equipment for jogging come from? More to the point, the HSE don't want people jogging or cycling without appropriate equipment and common sense/ training. Which let's face it, not everyone has.

Gannicus · 23-08-2014 08:56PM

Turtwig wrote: »

How does one get to the park? Where does the bike come from? (Steal it?)

Walk, if they have no bike then walk too....

Turtwig wrote: »

Where does the equipment for jogging come from.

Its clothes so you'll be allowed buy clothes.

Turtwig wrote: »

More to the point, the HSE don't want people jogging or cycling without appropriate equipment and common sense/ training. Which let's face it, not everyone has.

Same answer as question 1 & 2

WALK instead

mphalo1 · 23-08-2014 08:56PM

this is getting stupid now

mphalo1 · 23-08-2014 09:04PM

just remember it was the bankers and corrupt government that did this to our country and leave the poor alone the ****. and as for reporting people up off their ass trying to get by while on social as i explained the reason why earlier .may you die screaming my friend !

DrGreenthumb · 23-08-2014 09:04PM

mphalo1 wrote: »

this is getting stupid now

i'm sure it can get a lot more stupiderer

Scrap the dole!

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