Scrap the dole!

Holsten · 23-08-2014 09:34AM

Person needs money to eat. Was using money from dole to eat and feed family.

Dole is stopped, no money. Will person starve and let family starve? Nope.

Person now commits a crime to get money, perhaps robs Better Call Saul or his family.

Great idea, no?!?

Gannicus · 23-08-2014 09:37AM

Rubberchikken wrote: »

it's pathetic for the 'educated worker' to pick on those who, at this time, have no coice but to claim social welfare.
a major part of paying tax is to support those who are unfortunate enough to not be currently employed.
how anyone can begrudge help to a fellow human being is beyond me.

no matter how long someone is unemployed, it really isn't anyone else's business and these pointless rants towards others only shows an ignorance that is to be pitied.

Oh I love the moral high road tone in this.

The amount of time someone is on the welfare is perfectly pertinent. Its everybodies business. especially wwhen its the working persons tax paying for it. Somebody on the dole most of their adult life clearly has it too easy and is not arsed ever working. to me that is not helping someone its incentivising laziness.

I'm all for giving someone a dig out and helping them get back on their feet but I'm not for just giving lazy bums money to do nothing for long ass periods of time which is fast what its becoming.

Not everyone is like that (before I have people jump down my throats) but the mood is headng that way and having an overly generous welfare system is helping it get that way.

therealme · 23-08-2014 09:37AM

I recently advertised 3 jobs. 2 are full time and 1 part time.
In a county with VERY high unemployment, guess how many cv's I received?????
TWO!
I am aware of two other businesses who were also recruiting, 1 got two applicants and the other got NONE!!! Both businesses I know are well established and all jobs are standard 9-5.
Until social welfare is cut after a certain point, this will not change.
The thousands in this country with a sense of self entitlement and who contribute nothing really disgusts me.

Ave Sodalis · 23-08-2014 09:43AM

therealme wrote: »

I recently advertised 3 jobs. 2 are full time and 1 part time.
In a county with VERY high unemployment, guess how many cv's I received?????
TWO!
I am aware of two other businesses who were also recruiting, 1 got two applicants and the other got NONE!!! Both businesses I know are well established and all jobs are standard 9-5.
Until social welfare is cut after a certain point, this will not change.
The thousands in this country with a sense of self entitlement and who contribute nothing really disgusts me.

What was the job, how was it advertised and what qualifications did you need?
It's all well and good saying you had a job going and only got two applicants but if it's some specialised job that requires a degree and work experience, and you only advertised it in the local paper, you're not going to have many actually qualifed to do you job.
The problem with most of the jobs available is they say "requires X amount of years work in sector". I've seen this in jobs for behind tils and waitering jobs too.

Sam Kade · 23-08-2014 09:44AM

Holsten wrote: »

Person needs money to eat. Was using money from dole to eat and feed family.

Dole is stopped, no money. Will person starve and let family starve? Nope.

Person now commits a crime to get money, perhaps robs Better Call Saul or his family.

Great idea, no?!?

Food vouchers would be a great middle ground

mickdw · 23-08-2014 09:46AM

whirlpool wrote: »

Jobs don't just appear out of nowhere just because you've been on the dole for a few years.

Please explain how a person who has no job and is unable to get a job is meant to survive with no income, or else STFU.

Thanks.

Well I have to make do with whatever I can earn. Despite paying self employed prsi and tax for years, I'm not entitled to claim anything off my stamps.
dole then for self employed is a nightmare process involving waiting lists, home interviews etc.

shruikan2553 · 23-08-2014 09:50AM

therealme wrote: »

I recently advertised 3 jobs. 2 are full time and 1 part time.
In a county with VERY high unemployment, guess how many cv's I received?????
TWO!
I am aware of two other businesses who were also recruiting, 1 got two applicants and the other got NONE!!! Both businesses I know are well established and all jobs are standard 9-5.
Until social welfare is cut after a certain point, this will not change.
The thousands in this country with a sense of self entitlement and who contribute nothing really disgusts me.

If that was the case everywhere then people who apply for places should get interviews no problem which from knowing several people who try to get a part time job doesnt happen. Did you ask for 4 years experience in the ad?

Dominya · 23-08-2014 09:55AM

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therealme · 23-08-2014 09:55AM

sup_dude wrote: »

What was the job, how was it advertised and what qualifications did you need?
It's all well and good saying you had a job going and only got two applicants but if it's some specialised job that requires a degree and work experience, and you only advertised it in the local paper, you're not going to have many actually qualifed to do you job.
The problem with most of the jobs available is they say "requires X amount of years work is sector". I've seen this is jobs for behind tils and waitering jobs too.

The job was in an industry where there are many in.
A degree is desirable but not essential. Some experience is necessary.
I am in business a long time and did not use the"local paper" as a means of advertising.
I would have thought if there were any genuinely looking for work, they would have at least applied to be considered.
One application was not qualified and the governing body in my area says that is essential to have a basic qualification. The other is somebody who will be returning to Ireland. I need somebody before their return.

Sweet Rose · 23-08-2014 10:00AM

I definitely don't think the dole should be cut for all but I think if you're on the dole and you live at home without paying any bills or contributing financially then it should be cut for you. I know quite a number of people in their mid to late twenties who live at home, don't help out with bills and have a fantastic time of it.

I think if you get money for free then you should have to account for what you spend it on. Why do Social Welfare Officers not do this. It's cigarettes, booze and nights out for a lot.

I have worked all my teenage and adult life and I've never been on the dole before. Now, I'm extremely stuck financially and I can't get a dime. I went to the local community welfare officer recently and he wouldn't look at me because I have a job but I can't afford to work with the cost of childcare and rent in Dublin. I will go back to work next year but I don't know how I will survive until then.

It makes me upset then to come home from that meeting to see some of my sisters unemployed friends talking about what dress they're going to buy to go out at the weekend. Another night out on the tiles courtesy of yours truly. I haven't had one since Christmas

GarIT · 23-08-2014 10:05AM

I think the way to deal with the problem of people living off welfare with no intention to work would be to issue everyone on welfare with a welfare bank account and debit card that can't be used to pay for luxuries e.g. Subscription tv, alcohol, cigarettes, restaurants, fast food, anything outside of this country, clothes not from Tesco, dunnes or pennys.

We should be giving people on welfare what they need to stay alive, nothing more.

Turtwig · 23-08-2014 10:08AM

This thread isn't extreme enough. People on the dole three years should be hung, drawn and quartered! That'll make them get jobs.

23-08-2014 10:10AM

Hate to break it to you lads but all i have is a leaving cert behind me

but ive had about 14 jobs in the last 4 years (I'm only 22)

All permanent if i wanted them including my current one.

so theres jobs here in ireland to be had, and i dont even mean the mcdonalds / lidls either that are also there for taking.

Sam Kade · 23-08-2014 10:11AM

GarIT wrote: »

I think the way to deal with the problem of people living off welfare with no intention to work would be to issue everyone on welfare with a welfare bank account and debit card that can't be used to pay for luxuries e.g. Subscription tv, alcohol, cigarettes, restaurants, fast food, anything outside of this country, clothes not from Tesco, dunnes or pennys.

We should be giving people on welfare what they need to stay alive, nothing more.

Like I said food vouchers

Sweet Rose · 23-08-2014 10:17AM

Turtwig wrote: »

This thread isn't extreme enough. People on the dole three years should be hung, drawn and quartered! That'll make them get jobs.

No one is saying that but if someone who is on the dole and is coming out financially better off than someone who is working and is able to afford more luxuries, then there is something seriously wrong.

I believe in the welfare system but only when needs be. I'm sure there is a time in most people's lives when they might need it, to get them through a rough patch but it shouldn't be a lifestyle choice.

osarusan · 23-08-2014 10:23AM

Sweet Rose wrote: »

I believe in the welfare system but only when needs be. I'm sure there is a time in most people's lives when they might need it, to get them through a rough patch but it shouldn't be a lifestyle choice.

I don't disagree with this, and my reply is a more general one than replying specifically to you, but what's the alternative? Just cutting the dole, or phasing it out after a certain amount of time, isn't going to solve things.

I mean, where's the bottom line? After let's say 3 years (as per a suggestion earlier) the dole is completely phased out, and a family now have no money coming in at all, but still have bills to pay (rent, water, electricity) as well as costs for food and clothes. In that situation, what do we think should happen?

Because the situation will arise. Not for everybody currently unemployed, but for some. It may because they can't find work, or it may be them calling the government's bluff. But it will arise.

Sweet Rose · 23-08-2014 10:30AM

osarusan wrote: »

I don't disagree with this, but what's the alternative? Just cutting the dole, or phasing it out after a certain amount of time, isn't going to solve things.

I mean, where's the bottom line? After let's say 3 years (as per a suggestion earlier) the dole is completely phased out, and a family now have no money coming in at all, but still have bills to pay (rent, water, electricity) as well as costs for food and clothes. In that situation, what do we think should happen?

Because the situation will arise. Not for everybody currently unemployed, but for some.

Like I said, why aren't some people made to account for what they spend the dole money on. I'm not talking about families here. I'm talking about people who live at home with their parents for example.

From what I see its €188 for all adults but why aren't your personal circumstances taken into account.

I know one woman and her outgoings is something like this for a week:
€20 petrol
€40 dress for a night out
€10 cigarettes
€80 socialising and booze
€20 hobbies and gym

The rest is probably spent on food and chewing gum! She doesn't contribute anything to her parents. Why should I have to pay for her to have a good time.

yes there · 23-08-2014 10:31AM

What about the people who are actually too stupid to work, you know the ones that couldnt spell their name properly in 4th class. So people are unfortunate to not be as ambitious, driven, intelligent or lucky. Spare a thought for them. Are we not living a decent life in comparison. So what if they are wasting their lives. Its thier loss not ours. Move to a country that doesnt tax you to help the country or stfu about it.

chuckyarelaw · 23-08-2014 10:31AM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Hate to break it to you lads but all i have is a leaving cert behind me

but ive had about 14 jobs in the last 4 years (I'm only 22)

All permanent if i wanted them including my current one.

so theres jobs here in ireland to be had, and i dont even mean the mcdonalds / lidls either that are also there for taking.

I wouldn't employ you to lick a lampost - 14 jobs, one every few months?

agent graves · 23-08-2014 10:33AM

i was reading that for people now applying for BTEA they will hold an interview..
this is definitely a good idea because people under 24 get 100 per week on the dole and a lot of them in my area just apply for a one year course to get onto BTEA to up there payment to 188.

and then just half arse their way through the course to make sure they dont get chucked off it and be put back down too 100...

yes there · 23-08-2014 10:34AM

Sweet Rose wrote: »

Like I said, why aren't some people made to account for what they spend the dole money on. I'm not talking about families here. I'm talking about people who live at home with their parents for example.

From what I see its €188 for all adults but why aren't your personal circumstances taken into account.

I know one woman and her outgoings is something like this for a week:
€20 petrol
€40 dress for a night out
€10 cigarettes
€80 socialising and booze
€20 hobbies and gym

The rest is probably spent on food and chewing gum! She doesn't contribute anything to her parents. Why should I have to pay for her to have a good time.

Why should people on higher wages than you pay more off it?

23-08-2014 10:35AM

chuckyarelaw wrote: »

I wouldn't employ you to lick a lampost - 14 jobs, one every few months?

Not at all. Double jobbing .... at one stage it was 3 jobs at once (gave up two of them to keep full time position. )

Grayson · 23-08-2014 10:40AM

agent graves wrote: »

i was reading that for people now applying for BTEA they will hold an interview..
this is definitely a good idea because people under 24 get 100 per week on the dole and a lot of them in my area just apply for a one year course to get onto BTEA to up there payment to 188.

and then just half arse their way through the course to make sure they dont get chucked off it and be put back down too 100...

Surely the way to resolve that is to reform the courses rather than just remove the BTEA.
Education is the largest force in social mobility.

Mrs Garth Brooks · 23-08-2014 10:42AM

I was asked by a lady in the dole queue last week that I should come out drinking with her...like the money was made for drink... Thanks, but no thanks. What a terrible waste of money... It would probably sicken her if I told her what my real plans were for my dole money. I told her that I didn't drink and pubs aren't my scene...I'm moving to the UK next week, have some interviews lined up... Wish me luck guys cause I'm fed up here.

Highflyer13 · 23-08-2014 10:52AM

It can't be denied that there are a significant number of people who have made the dole a lifestyle choice. I'm talking about generations of welfare reliant families who choose not to work and others who just haven't been arsed for over 10 years.

Nobody should be making excuses for these wasters but as always the do gooders will. For myself and other working people who find it hard to get by from month to month and see the drain of taxes on our payslips and deterioration in services like healthcare, the welfare lifestyle that some have chosen is very frustrating to watch. A nice portion of my monthly salary goes straight into their pockets.

Of course I emphasize with people who have paid their way and are proven to have fallen on genuinely hard times. Id rather the money would go to them to help them get back on there feet over the wasters who fill me with rage even thinking about them.:mad:

Un Croissant · 23-08-2014 11:03AM

agent graves wrote: »

i was reading that for people now applying for BTEA they will hold an interview..
this is definitely a good idea because people under 24 get 100 per week on the dole and a lot of them in my area just apply for a one year course to get onto BTEA to up there payment to 188.

and then just half arse their way through the course to make sure they dont get chucked off it and be put back down too 100...

Back to education is now the same amount as you previously got. Of you get 100e a week on the dole , that's what you get for Btea

Ave Sodalis · 23-08-2014 11:15AM

The problem is, the wasters are a minority. The genuine cases are a majority but the minority is easier to see, therefore it seems like more. For example, you would never know through looking at me that I come from the background I do. My mother is a single parent who is long term unemployed. She had me at a very young age so didn't do her leaving cert and I have 3 siblings. Now that's going to be shock and horror to some people. When people know, we get disgusted looks and everything. However, what people don't realise is that the reason my mother can't work is because my brother has behavioural problems. Leave him with a babysitter and he has an explosion, then we aren't going to have a house when we get back. I've actually heard people say "oh sure she's one of those single parents, what way do you expect them to turn out..." completely forgetting that she has three older, well behaved children. The reason my brother has behavioural problems is because he had cancer when he was two, not because of bad parenting.
It's not easy living on the poverty line. There's so much you have to go without and you feel guilty getting things you know were expensive. We have a fairly big house (used to be a council house, now has extension) which Mum paid for when she was forced to sell her business (you suddenly needed a completely unrelated degree to be insured) but we have no tv or anything like that, and our internet is going in two days. I'm in college, Mum is going to college this year, all of my siblings are fully intending to go to college.

My biggest problem is that everyone is heaped into the same pot, because of the actions of a minority. I know it's a minority because I'm one of those people that everyone gives out about. I used to even find it upsetting but then I realised that people just don't know. People don't understand. They have no idea what it's like when they're sneering down their noses at you, telling you that your mother is a disgrace and that I'm going to turn out the same way. My mother is an extremely strong, hard working woman who has had a very difficult life, and if I turn out half the way she is, then I would consider myself very lucky. But by all means people, continue to lump everyone together...

drugstore cowboy · 23-08-2014 11:41AM

GarIT wrote: »

I think the way to deal with the problem of people living off welfare with no intention to work would be to issue everyone on welfare with a welfare bank account and debit card that can't be used to pay for luxuries e.g. Subscription tv, alcohol, cigarettes, restaurants, fast food, anything outside of this country, clothes not from Tesco, dunnes or pennys.

So their lives should be regimented and dictated for them as they are out of work?!

All you are missing out on in your idea is making the unemployed wear a yellow star.

If it went tits up for me or you tomorrow would you like to be treated in such a way?

Would you ****.

RayM · 23-08-2014 11:50AM

Turtwig wrote: »

This thread isn't extreme enough. People on the dole three years should be hung, drawn and quartered! That'll make them get jobs.

What are you? Some kind of namby-pamby liberal?

Fry them on the electric chair, and place their bodies in front of a firing squad. Then, and only then, should they be hung, drawn and quartered. And then burn them.

And if that doesn't make them get jobs - send their charred remains to jail. And make sure they don't have Playstations in their cells.

caithimh · 23-08-2014 12:08PM

I left school at 16 , started working full time in an unskilled job, but for great money . Thought i would have a job for life but was made redundant 2 years ago .

Now i get my dole and work on the side as it is the only way i can get close to the money i used to earn

Scrap the dole!

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