Roundabouts - their use and abuse (with videos!)

Red Nissan · 18-08-2014 09:27PM

IP freely wrote: »

I have to respectfully disagree.

I don't think you understand the design and placement of the various forms of drive over and or semi drive over roundabouts.

It is worth familiarizing with them to understand that your post is exactly what these prevent.

Perhaps, think of them as a cross roads or junction with amber lights instead.

18-08-2014 09:35PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

I don't think you understand the design and placement of the various forms of drive over and or semi drive over roundabouts.

It is worth familiarizing with them to understand that your post is exactly what these prevent.

Perhaps, think of them as a cross roads or junction with amber lights instead.

I don't think a 'drive over roundabout' exists, to be honest. I'm not sure where you've gotten that from at all?

Did you read it anywhere (rules of the road or such) or is that just your instinctive impression of them for some reason?

(not taking the piss, by the way, genuinely curious). A roundabout is a roundabout in the eyes of the rules of the road, as far as I am aware. Again though, I could well be wrong.

HurtLocker · 18-08-2014 10:12PM

bladebrew wrote: »

You cannot just drive over mini roundabouts unless you are in a large vehicle, otherwise why bother putting them there?
https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/roundabouts-184-to-190
I can only find this link from the UK but it specifically says to drive around the markings, number 188 in that link,

Why bother putting them there is a good question espicially when they dont seem to bother repainting the lines and the circle of many of them once they are long faded away

Spook_ie · 19-08-2014 04:10AM

Red Nissan wrote: »

You can drive straight through them, no bother. They are a few different examples around, this one is just a bit of paint and can be totally driven over, the chap in your vid has done nothing wrong.

OMG

Assuming that the mini roundabout is correctly signed you just told everyone to get 1 point for failure to turn left when entering a roundabout

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0332.html

Rules for use of a mini-roundabout

5. (1) Where traffic sign number RUS 049 (mini-roundabout ahead) is provided in association with traffic sign number RRM 033 (mini-roundabout installation), a driver of a vehicle when entering the mini-roundabout shall yield to any traffic on the mini-roundabout, turn to the left and, if proceeding around the roundabout, shall do so in the direction indicated by the directional arrows displayed on the traffic signs referred to.

(2) A vehicle shall not be driven, wholly or partly, along or across a mini-roundabout installation where the road marking traffic sign number RRM 033 is provided.

Some people are really too dangerous to be allowed give advice

gutteruu · 19-08-2014 02:16PM

Sorry, another roundabout video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3qXsm1O5b4

Spook_ie · 19-08-2014 02:26PM

Spook_ie · 19-08-2014 02:29PM

dickwod1 · 19-08-2014 03:14PM

I wasn't going to post this but seeming as we cant get past the roundabout topic ...

gman2k · 19-08-2014 07:28PM

Let's go advanced roundabouts.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZdjQAplXh4

huggs2 · 19-08-2014 07:52PM

gman2k wrote: »

Let's go advanced roundabouts.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZdjQAplXh4

Remember it well the Arc de Triomphe roundabout.I counted 14 lanes of traffic on it as i stood on the corner.

19-08-2014 08:04PM

huggs2 wrote: »

Remember it well the Arc de Triomphe roundabout.I counted 14 lanes of traffic on it as i stood on the corner.

Apparantly it's the only place in Europe that car insurance companies don't even try to blame the other driver, they just pay out and you lose your no claims record.

dashcamdanny · 19-08-2014 08:19PM

I rode around that on a motorcycle , two up with 2 months camping gear loaded on the bike also.

Was quite an experience.

Had to go around twice in rush hour as I could not exit the first time.

gman2k · 19-08-2014 08:29PM

Apparently on boards.fr there is a thread called "caméra de bord enregistre votre cul"
where they endlessly discuss dash cam footage of that one roundabout.....

ardle1 · 20-08-2014 03:56AM

dickwod1 wrote: »

I wasn't going to post this but seeming as we cant get past the roundabout topic ...

Perfect, everything cooool, now if only you had braked 'slightly' on entering the round-about, instead of expecting the lorry to brake.

Nino Brown · 20-08-2014 04:51AM

ardle1 wrote: »

Perfect, everything cooool, now if only you had braked 'slightly' on entering the round-about, instead of expecting the lorry to brake.

Some people just can't watch these videos without looking for something to criticize! To me, the driver did seem to brake approaching the roundabout, not that they needed to, there was no traffic coming from the right.
The lorry driver is legally required to brake, and stop, so you can hardly criticize the driver for expecting them to brake.

Thargor · 20-08-2014 01:10PM

gutteruu wrote: »

Sorry, another roundabout video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3qXsm1O5b4

You have to laugh when he cruises into the shot in the background the second time, you almost expect the Father Ted theme to kick in.

gutteruu · 20-08-2014 01:36PM

Thargor wrote: »

You have to laugh when he cruises into the shot in the background the second time, you almost expect the Father Ted theme to kick in.

Loved the way he cruised off the roundabout down the wrong side of road of the incoming road aswell. Probably mumbling about the terrible signage.

I plugged out the camera to save that clip and half hour later in Galway a van comes reversing on the wrong side of the road around a blind bend just at a tee junction. Was raging I didn't record it. Was hilarious.

I've decided to buy myself a helmet and roll cage for my van.

CatFromHue · 20-08-2014 01:38PM

gutteruu wrote: »

Loved the way he cruised off the roundabout down the wrong side of road of the incoming road aswell. Probably mumbling about the terrible signage.

I just saw that, did he eventually get on the correct side of the road?

gutteruu · 20-08-2014 02:03PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I just saw that, did he eventually get on the correct side of the road?

Just after he turned off he went back onto correct side.

ardle1 · 21-08-2014 03:52AM

ardle1 wrote: »

Perfect, everything cooool, now if only you had braked 'slightly' on entering the round-about, instead of expecting the lorry to brake.

Nino Brown wrote: »

Some people just can't watch these videos without looking for something to criticize! To me, the driver did seem to brake approaching the roundabout, not that they needed to, there was no traffic coming from the right.
The lorry driver is legally required to brake, and stop, so you can hardly criticize the driver for expecting them to brake.

Again I'll say Perfect, everything cooool, now if only he had braked 'slightly' on entering the round-about, instead of expecting the lorry to brake.

P.s..I certainly wasn't criticizing anyone, sure nothing happened it's grand, sound, cool and all that jazz, shir it's only an oul vid :cool: ..
I drive an oul taxi! shir I could post 10 similar incidents a week if you like, I could even make them 'closer shaves' if you like :eek:

SpaceTime · 24-08-2014 12:16PM

gman2k wrote: »

Let's go advanced roundabouts.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZdjQAplXh4

The driver doesn't understand the rules there. All ENTERING traffic has priority under the older French roundabout rules that apply in this case.

They're failing to yeild to traffic that is completely entitled to drive across them. It's indicated by signage entering the roundabout. Most now work like ours but some older, larger ones don't.

Nobody's bothering to indicate though and the lane changing is crazy.

I'm noticing a lot of drivers in Ireland assuming that they can drive into traffic like that too. I'm starting to wonder if they're continental drivers making the assumption that 'priorité à droite' rules apply here.

In urban areas in France and Belgium you MUST yield to cars entering the road from the right (left here) unless otherwise indicated by yellow diamond signs.

Assuming that applied here would result in side on collisions. Likewise I've seen British cars slam side on into French cars in urban traffic in France and not have the slightest clue why the police are blaming them and then conclude it's a a French hatred of a British drivers or that it's corruption!?

RustyNut · 24-08-2014 12:21PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

The driver doesn't understand the rules there. All ENTERING traffic has priority under the older French roundabout rules that apply in this case.

They're failing to yeild to traffic that is completely entitled to drive across them. It's indicated by signage entering the roundabout. Most now work like ours but some older, larger ones don't.

Nobody's bothering to indicate though and the lane changing is crazy.

I'm noticing a lot of drivers in Ireland assuming that they can drive into traffic like that too. I'm starting to wonder if they're continental drivers making the assumption that 'priorité à droite' rules apply here.

In urban areas in France and Belgium you MUST yield to cars entering the road from the right (left here) unless otherwise indicated by yellow diamond signs.

Assuming that applied here would result in side on collisions. Likewise I've seen British cars slam side on into French cars in urban traffic in France and not have the slightest clue why the police are blaming them and then conclude it's a a French hatred of a British drivers or that it's corruption!?

Combat driving. Survival of the bravest thats what I see there.

wonski · 24-08-2014 12:21PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

The driver doesn't understand the rules there. All ENTERING traffic has priority under the older French roundabout rules that apply in this case.

They're failing to yeild to traffic that is completely entitled to drive across them. It's indicated by signage entering the roundabout. Most now work like ours but some older, larger ones don't.

I'm noticing a lot of drivers in Ireland assuming that they can drive into traffic like that too. I'm starting to wonder if they're continental drivers making the assumption that 'priorité à droite' rules apply here.

In urban areas in France and Belgium you MUST yield to cars entering the road from the right (left here) unless otherwise indicated by yellow diamond signs.

Assuming that applied here would result in side on collisions. Likewise I've seen British cars slam side on into French cars in urban traffic in France and not have the slightest clue why the police are blaming them and then conclude it's a a French hatred of a British drivers or that it's corruption!?

So is it right, or left over here

Thanks for bringing the thread back to the topic btw;)

24-08-2014 12:34PM

wonski wrote: »

So is it right, or left over here

Thanks for bringing the thread back to the topic btw;)

In other words you give way to cars joining the road (in France), but here you don't

SpaceTime · 24-08-2014 12:39PM

RustyNut wrote: »

Combat driving. Survival of the bravest thats what I see there.

There's a bit of both. The rules are completely inverted though. You've no priority on the roundabout at all.

In general the EU should standardise these things. In Spain for example you're legally entitled to drive the whole way around a roundabout in the outside lane and all traffic on the inner lanes must yield to you!?

Some very unintuitive rules out there. The priority to the right is very common on minor roads and in urban settings though and it's a huge source of confusion.

They use a yellow diamond to indicate that you have priority and if it's a yellow diamond crossed out you no longer have priority and must yield to minor roads entering from the right.

Most Irish and British drivers I see in France just blissfully ignore them and assume it's just the 'mad French' driving like maniacs.

That system is very widely used all over continental Europe. I just wonder if continental drivers living here sometimes think it applies here. I've been driven out in front of in urban traffic here more than a few times.

Just seeing it on a lot of dashcam footage from Ireland which is why I brought it up, not to throw thread OT.

wonski · 24-08-2014 12:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In other words you give way to cars joining the road (in France), but here you don't

You sometimes do on 2 roads of equal importance iirc.
And if you do, it is also for the traffic coming from your right despite us dring on the left.

Doesn't happen too often in Ireland, though.

Red Nissan · 24-08-2014 12:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In other words you give way to cars joining the road (in France), but here you don't

Not universally so, each roundabout has a sign indicating it's status, the sign is in French only usually though.

SpaceTime · 24-08-2014 12:45PM

In France (and most of continental Europe) you assume it applies unless otherwise indicated. It wouldn't ever apply on an N Road but it would quite possibly apply on minor roads. In rural areas you basically have to drive with the assumption that a tractor may swing out ahead of you.

That's why I'm wondering do continental drivers here just assume it applies and isn't signed considering that British and Irish drivers often just completely ignore it on the continent.

SpaceTime · 24-08-2014 12:47PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Not universally so, each roundabout has a sign indicating it's status, the sign is in French only usually though.

There is no yield sign if it doesn't apply. They put up a yield and "You do not have priority' (in v French). The text is just to reinforce the yield to dumb drivers.

I'm just wondering if Ireland might need signs up about how the main road ALWAYS has priority. It's more important than the blatently stating obvious 'drive on the left' that appear now and then.

wonski · 24-08-2014 12:48PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

In France (and most of continental Europe) you assume it applies unless otherwise indicated. It wouldn't ever apply on an N Road but it would quite possibly apply on minor roads. In rural areas you basically have to drive with the assumption that a tractor may swing out ahead of you.

That's why I'm wondering do continental drivers here just assume it applies and isn't signed considering that British and Irish drivers often just completely ignore it on the continent.

Over here we have Stop and Yield signs everywhere. It would be rather difficult to make assumption like that.

Minor & Major roads junctions have signs on approach, too.

Roundabouts - their use and abuse (with videos!)

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