KG Elite Performance's National Certificate in Strength & Conditioning (NCSC

Hanley · 15-08-2014 08:45AM

For those calling for "recognition" and "accreditation" - who exactly do you want it certified by....??

That's a serious question.

fit4 · 15-08-2014 09:28AM

From any regulator that has recognised and endorsed the course and its framework. Since it is targeted at the fitness industry by the emails that have been sent out you would think like any other training course in the world that it would have been accredited especially after the money that he charges for a non recognised course.
CPD Credits are only useful if you are a fitness professional registered with the Regulator that provides you with CPD Points.There are plenty of organisations out there that will endorse training courses but from my experience they will not endorse this course due to the structure and very little focus on safety and injury prevention.

After all isnt that the Rule number 1 of real Strength and conditioning.

Many have been fooled by this course and I have spoke with a lot of people who have attended and the Majority are very unhappy that they have all now discovered it aint worth the fancy paper it is written on.

Hanley · 15-08-2014 09:32AM

fit4 wrote: »

From any regulator that has recognised and endorsed the course and its framework. Since it is targeted at the fitness industry by the emails that have been sent out you would think like any other training course in the world that it would have been accredited especially after the money that he charges for a non recognised course.
CPD Credits are only useful if you are a fitness professional registered with the Regulator that provides you with CPD Points.There are plenty of organisations out there that will endorse training courses but from my experience they will not endorse this course due to the structure and very little focus on safety and injury prevention.

After all isnt that the Rule number 1 of real Strength and conditioning.

Many have been fooled by this course and I have spoke with a lot of people who have attended and the Majority are very unhappy that they have all now discovered it aint worth the fancy paper it is written on.

Name the regulator.

You're asking for something to be accredited to something that doesn't exist.

Hanley · 15-08-2014 09:34AM

The best courses I've been on have had no accreditation to anything.

Most other fitpros would probably agree.

Darkest Horse · 15-08-2014 09:37AM

fit4 wrote: »

From any regulator that has recognised and endorsed the course and its framework. Since it is targeted at the fitness industry by the emails that have been sent out you would think like any other training course in the world that it would have been accredited especially after the money that he charges for a non recognised course.
CPD Credits are only useful if you are a fitness professional registered with the Regulator that provides you with CPD Points.There are plenty of organisations out there that will endorse training courses but from my experience they will not endorse this course due to the structure and very little focus on safety and injury prevention.

After all isnt that the Rule number 1 of real Strength and conditioning.

Many have been fooled by this course and I have spoke with a lot of people who have attended and the Majority are very unhappy that they have all now discovered it aint worth the fancy paper it is written on.

If this is the case, the big lesson is either to avoid these courses or research them more thoroughly. In my opinion your best course of action is to attend official UKSCA workshops, get the most relevant information to become accredited and then become accredited. Doing unaffiliated courses is a bit of a lottery and it's unfortunate that you found that out the hard way.

fit4 · 15-08-2014 09:41AM

Hanley wrote: »

In fairness it's not unusual for people to refuse to hand out notes on these courses. A lot of what they teach will just get recycled, robbed, diluted down and then passed off as someones own when they start running course.

Never been on the KG course tho os can't comment on the specifics of that.

It is very unusual not to hand out notes on these courses. People cannot be expected to pay for a course, Give them little time to take notes and then refuse them any follow up e mails with a summary of the course contents because it sure as hell aint in the manual.
To expect to take money from people and not provide them with what they have paid for a is an absolute disgrace.
To be honest I dont think anyone would have to worry too much about taking this course content and robbing it. Aswell as that you cannot have intalectual property rights for words .

Strength and conditioning has been around a long time along with all other sports so KG Elite performance did not create strength and conditioning. It has always been there. Just like all sports.
People will all cop on to this eventually but I pity the many that have been conned so far.

fit4 · 15-08-2014 09:46AM

I know plenty of Regulators but I will leave that up to KG Elite performance to find out.

Any training course is easy to get recognised or endorsed once it has all the criteria that they look for and in fact most training courses should be endorsed with some sort of qualification or if it is not then the individuals booking on should be made aware that it is not recognised or endorsed and it is specifically only for self knowledge because that is all it is.
KG Elite Performance is not a recognised course.
I will say no more. Look into it if you really want to find out because myself and many others have.

fit4 · 15-08-2014 10:04AM

On the Certificates that KG Elite performance has handed out it states

KG Elite performance
phase 1 & 2 Strength and conditioning course
This is to certify that
Mr Joe Bloggs
Has earned 28 hours of CPD Credits in
Strength and conditioning by their participation
in KG Elite Performance Phase 1 & 2 Courses

Now To avail of CPD Credits (Continuing Professional Development) One has to be registered as a fitness professional with a governing body or a regulator to avail of CPD Credits.

There has to be a Regulator who has endorsed this course to state that you have earned 28 hours of CPD credits otherwise that is one big lie on a fancy piece of paper.

WHO??? is the Regulator or WHO ??? has endorsed this training course.

Can anybody answer that question.??

If not then I have made my point here and I have given my opinion about my personal experience on this course. If everybody can refer back to the very first question that was asked on this matter. Well I have just replied to the individual looking for advice. Thats all I am doing here.
I attended this course so I am hoping my thoughts will be taken on board and whoever was thinking about attending this course then please re consider and think it through before you pay a hand out.

I am not saying not to do it. I am giving my personal experience and my personal opinion. After that its up to somebody if they want to attend the course or not.

Darkest Horse · 15-08-2014 10:35AM

fit4 wrote: »

On the Certificates that KG Elite performance has handed out it states

KG Elite performance
phase 1 & 2 Strength and conditioning course
This is to certify that
Mr Joe Bloggs
Has earned 28 hours of CPD Credits in
Strength and conditioning by their participation
in KG Elite Performance Phase 1 & 2 Courses

Now To avail of CPD Credits (Continuing Professional Development) One has to be registered as a fitness professional with a governing body or a regulator to avail of CPD Credits.

There has to be a Regulator who has endorsed this course to state that you have earned 28 hours of CPD credits otherwise that is one big lie on a fancy piece of paper.

WHO??? is the Regulator or WHO ??? has endorsed this training course.

Can anybody answer that question.??

If not then I have made my point here and I have given my opinion about my personal experience on this course. If everybody can refer back to the very first question that was asked on this matter. Well I have just replied to the individual looking for advice. Thats all I am doing here.
I attended this course so I am hoping my thoughts will be taken on board and whoever was thinking about attending this course then please re consider and think it through before you pay a hand out.

I am not saying not to do it. I am giving my personal experience and my personal opinion. After that its up to somebody if they want to attend the course or not.

Did you not research this before you did the course? Maybe the points can be retrospectively applied when you become accredited?

fit4 · 15-08-2014 10:49AM

No Unfortunately I didnt research this before I booked onto the course.

I was blinded by the false advertising on the website and e mails I received. He had told me over the phone it was a qualification and it is recognised at the time. LIES.

I should have looked into it but I was eager to learn and he made it out that you would be a qualified SandC coach after completion of the course and I fell for it. Total nonsense.
I have learned from my mistake and since then I have attended plenty of workshops, seminars etc and I have invested in some good books.

I am just going to keep doing the same thing because there is always more to learn.

Like I said I am just explaining my personal experience and my opinion but if somebody thought they would benefit from attending the course with no qualifications and handing out the bones of nearly €1000.00 then off with them.

Darkest Horse · 15-08-2014 10:59AM

fit4 wrote: »

No Unfortunately I didnt research this before I booked onto the course.

I was blinded by the false advertising on the website and e mails I received. He had told me over the phone it was a qualification and it is recognised at the time. LIES.

I should have looked into it but I was eager to learn and he made it out that you would be a qualified SandC coach after completion of the course and I fell for it. Total nonsense.
I have learned from my mistake and since then I have attended plenty of workshops, seminars etc and I have invested in some good books.

I am just going to keep doing the same thing because there is always more to learn.

Like I said I am just explaining my personal experience and my opinion but if somebody thought they would benefit from attending the course with no qualifications and handing out the bones of nearly €1000.00 then off with them.

I have sympathy but not that much. You thought you would become a qualified s and c coach after a 28 hour course? That's an insult to the profession and I'd like you to show me one other field in which such a feat is possible. That's my personal bias coming through but it's absurd that you thought that possible.

fit4 · 15-08-2014 11:06AM

I forgot to mention you cannot avail of CPD points from the KG Elite course because it is not recognised or accredited so in the eyes of all of these regulators out there . This course does not exist as an endorsed training course so you do not receive the CPD credits that states on the certificates he issues.

He knows this and so do I and many others but unfortunately the blind lead the blind and more will follow.

It took for me to do this course to open my eyes and learn from real great Conditioning coaches like Micky Ruban and a well known Sports therapist like Anthony Geoghan.

I have learned a lot since and I will keep on learning but at a cost i think is worth paying for.

fit4 · 15-08-2014 11:15AM

I know that now and we can all be foolish at times.

I had considered doing the Setanta S and C course but at the time I was directed to KG Elite by a friend who had heard about it and it had just started up.

I made the call and I was told after completion of Phase 1 , 2 and 3 you would be a qualified S and C coach through the UKSCA.

He is a great con man, I will give him that much because he conned me and many others. I luckily enough stopped after phase one when I realised it was a big fairy tale and the guy was just taking peoples money and giving them bits and pieces of information but not giving too much.

In regards to the 28 hours to become an S and C coach. I knew that was too good to be true but I fell for it. I know people all over the country who are calling themselves S and C coach who are all just basic gym instructors.

Everybody you speak to now a days is an S and C coach but the majority of them have no clue at all.

Hanley · 15-08-2014 11:17AM

CPD - the clue is in the name... CONTINUING professional development.

Not "foundation" or "beginner".

And as far as I know the course is accredited for CEUs by the NSCA. The guys behind the worldwide pinnacle of S&C certification - the CSCS exam.

The amount of axe grinding here is ridiculous. I'm out.

fit4 · 15-08-2014 11:35AM

I know that now and we can all be foolish at times.

I had considered doing the Setanta S and C course but at the time I was directed to KG Elite by a friend who had heard about it and it had just started up.

I made the call and I was told after completion of Phase 1 , 2 and 3 you would be a qualified S and C coach through the UKSCA.

He is a great con man, I will give him that much because he conned me and many others. I luckily enough stopped after phase one when I realised it was a big fairy tale and the guy was just taking peoples money and giving them bits and pieces of information but not giving too much.

In regards to the 28 hours to become an S and C coach. I knew that was too good to be true but I fell for it. I know people all over the country who are calling themselves S and C coach who are all just basic gym instructors.

Everybody you speak to now a days is an S and C coach but the majority of them have no clue at all.

fit4 · 15-08-2014 11:43AM

This is on the website. The NCSC is obviously there own recognition. See below

If you are looking for a career in strength & conditioning or looking to add strength & conditioning services to your existing practice, then becoming a certified strength & conditioning coach is a vital career step.KG Elite Performance is the leading short course provider of strength & conditioning in Rep. of Ireland, and our courses were devised to set the highest professional standards of practice for S&C coaches.

Our National Certificate in Strength & Conditioning (NCSC) exam assesses individuals who have completed both Phase 1 and Phase 2 S&C courses.

fit4 · 15-08-2014 12:24PM

Hanley wrote: »

CPD - the clue is in the name... CONTINUING professional development.

Not "foundation" or "beginner".

And as far as I know the course is accredited for CEUs by the NSCA. The guys behind the worldwide pinnacle of S&C certification - the CSCS exam.

The amount of axe grinding here is ridiculous. I'm out.

False Advertising

If you are looking for a career in strength & conditioning or looking to add strength & conditioning services to your existing practice, then becoming a certified strength & conditioning coach is a vital career step.KG Elite Performance is the leading short course provider of strength & conditioning in Rep. of Ireland, and our courses were devised to set the highest professional standards of practice for S&C coaches.

Our National Certificate in Strength & Conditioning (NCSC) exam assesses individuals who have completed both Phase 1 and Phase 2 S&C courses.

Brian? · 15-08-2014 12:33PM

fit4 wrote: »

False Advertising

If you are looking for a career in strength & conditioning or looking to add strength & conditioning services to your existing practice, then becoming a certified strength & conditioning coach is a vital career step.KG Elite Performance is the leading short course provider of strength & conditioning in Rep. of Ireland, and our courses were devised to set the highest professional standards of practice for S&C coaches.

Our National Certificate in Strength & Conditioning (NCSC) exam assesses individuals who have completed both Phase 1 and Phase 2 S&C courses.

MOD NOTE: fit4, I believe you've made your point. If you have a personal axe to grind, boards.ie is not the place to do it. Can you leave it there please?

cc87 · 15-08-2014 01:36PM

fit4 wrote: »

I made the call and I was told after completion of Phase 1 , 2 and 3 you would be a qualified S and C coach through the UKSCA.

.

This is either a complete lie or due to you not knowing anything about the UKSCA and becoming accredited by them.

Transform · 15-08-2014 01:42PM

cc87 wrote: »

This is either a complete lie or due to you not knowing anything about the UKSCA and becoming accredited by them.

Number of times a client has ever asked about my qualification in the past 20yrs = zero

cc87 · 15-08-2014 02:01PM

Transform wrote: »

Number of times a client has ever asked about my qualification in the past 20yrs = zero

That's awesome.

fit4 · 15-08-2014 03:01PM

Brian? wrote: »

MOD NOTE: fit4, I believe you've made your point. If you have a personal axe to grind, boards.ie is not the place to do it. Can you leave it there please?

No problem at all. I have no personal issues. I am content but I am just trying to give some advice as the guy asked for some opinions.
I have given my opinion now.

Darkest Horse · 15-08-2014 04:07PM

Transform wrote: »

Number of times a client has ever asked about my qualification in the past 20yrs = zero

That doesn't make it meaningless. If you work for yourself and you get results, your quals shouldn't matter. If you want to work for an organisation it's the first thing they'll look for. You shouldn't dismiss it off the back of just your own experience.

Transform · 17-08-2014 05:24PM

Darkest Horse wrote: »

That doesn't make it meaningless. If you work for yourself and you get results, your quals shouldn't matter. If you want to work for an organisation it's the first thing they'll look for. You shouldn't dismiss it off the back of just your own experience.

Not dismissing it at all. Just my experience and the tendency for people to emphasise courses over coaches.

The only way to get good is to intern with someone and if you want to work with teams eg Leinster rugby then the UKSCA will be a must HOWEVER if you want a career that pays well (most sports coaching jobs are not paid very well) then doing endless courses re strength and conditioning etc should be the LAST thing you are spending your hard earned cash on.

Yes participate in continuing education but there comes a point where you need to filter the info you have taken in an decide what's useful for the population you're dealing with

Most wanna be trainers love collecting courses, Certs etc and worrying about what their competition is doing when the emphasis should be put on how do I get more clients and direct one to one experience.

I've written about this a few times on my blog if people want to read eg - http://www.dominicmunnelly.ie/2013/08/5-big-mistakes-trainers-make/

Mellor · 18-08-2014 01:17AM

Darkest Horse wrote: »

I'd agree with all that bar the last sentence. Certification is essential in S&C which is what the poster was looking to move into.

fit4 wrote: »

I do disagree about Certification and most courses been useless.

The original post didn't say it was useless, it said it was "the great nonsense of the modern world". Big difference. Something that is useless has no benefit, certification benefits solely by its existence - Like a self fulfilling prophecy.
It's a necessity due to the industry, but in a self regulatory industry, that kind of accreditation is basically a professional tax on your experience.

To use an external example. 5 years ago, I was accredited by a professional organisation. I moved countries, where they didn't have a worthwile presence imo, so I let my membership lapse. I lost a couple of letters after my name, I lost no experience or knowledge. It all means little, but it's deemed necessary at times.

fit4 wrote: »

In regards to the 28 hours to become an S and C coach. I knew that was too good to be true but I fell for it. I know people all over the country who are calling themselves S and C coach who are all just basic gym instructors.

This sentence sums up everything that's wrong with this thread and with the industry.
Had the course, exactly as it is, been certified by a generic regulator, you'd now be satisfied. A bone fide S&C coach. Content.
But on monday morning, would you be doing anything different with your clients?

Darkest Horse · 18-08-2014 04:11AM

Mellor wrote: »

The original post didn't say it was useless, it said it was "the great nonsense of the modern world". Big difference. Something that is useless has no benefit, certification benefits solely by its existence - Like a self fulfilling prophecy.
It's a necessity due to the industry, but in a self regulatory industry, that kind of accreditation is basically a professional tax on your experience.

To use an external example. 5 years ago, I was accredited by a professional organisation. I moved countries, where they didn't have a worthwile presence imo, so I let my membership lapse. I lost a couple of letters after my name, I lost no experience or knowledge. It all means little, but it's deemed necessary at times.

This sentence sums up everything that's wrong with this thread and with the industry.
Had the course, exactly as it is, been certified by a generic regulator, you'd now be satisfied. A bone fide S&C coach. Content.
But on monday morning, would you be doing anything different with your clients?

But again, that's your experience. I don't believe that the disgruntled poster is moving country. The UKSCA accreditation costs little and takes a day to complete. It's not flawless and if you ask me is actually very dogmatic but serves a purpose in protecting the integrity of the s and C side of the industry and validating those who wish to work in it. It's more important for PAYE employees than business people but it's an important element nonetheless. Your certification may not have helped you abroad but it certainly wouldn't have harmed you.

Mellor · 18-08-2014 05:58AM

Darkest Horse wrote: »

But again, that's your experience. I don't believe that the disgruntled poster is moving country. The UKSCA accreditation costs little and takes a day to complete. It's not flawless and if you ask me is actually very dogmatic but serves a purpose in protecting the integrity of the s and C side of the industry and validating those who wish to work in it. It's more important for PAYE employees than business people but it's an important element nonetheless. Your certification may not have helped you abroad but it certainly wouldn't have harmed you.

I think you are missing the point. I'm not saying it was useless. I'm not suggested it be removed. I'm just pointing out that its just a hoop that the system needs you to jump through. But in terms of becoming a top quality S&C coach, you need hands on, real world experience and self driven learning that no course or certification can provide.

Darkest Horse · 18-08-2014 03:56PM

Mellor wrote: »

I think you are missing the point. I'm not saying it was useless. I'm not suggested it be removed. I'm just pointing out that its just a hoop that the system needs you to jump through. But in terms of becoming a top quality S&C coach, you need hands on, real world experience and self driven learning that no course or certification can provide.

I agree but neither can you go to a potential employer and say "I haven't got accreditation but I do have loads of hands on experience". We all know that can be manipulated for example taking a warm up with a club GAA team who had their county players back for the night can quickly turn into "have worked extensively with elite athletes!"

Hanley · 18-08-2014 04:08PM

Darkest Horse wrote: »

But again, that's your experience. I don't believe that the disgruntled poster is moving country. The UKSCA accreditation costs little and takes a day to complete. It's not flawless and if you ask me is actually very dogmatic but serves a purpose in protecting the integrity of the s and C side of the industry and validating those who wish to work in it. It's more important for PAYE employees than business people but it's an important element nonetheless. Your certification may not have helped you abroad but it certainly wouldn't have harmed you.

UKSCA takes a day? Link to that please.

Darkest Horse · 18-08-2014 05:20PM

Hanley wrote: »

UKSCA takes a day? Link to that please.

No you're alright, just take my word for it.

KG Elite Performance's National Certificate in Strength & Conditioning (NCSC

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