KG Elite Performance's National Certificate in Strength & Conditioning (NCSC

wadacrack

http://www.kg-elite-performance.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=150&Itemid=168
I am looking to wok in teh strength and conditioning sector. Has anyone done this course and would it be a good starting point for me and would I be able to apply for experience or internships in strength and conditionings role or will they look for degrees masters etc. Thanks

wadacrack

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cc87

Depends at what level you want to work, what experience you have already and what sport you are looking to work in.

Having said that, if you do all of KGs course and pass the exam to get the cert, it won't mean much to anyone. The courses are decent but you are better off trying to get experience and gain more recognised certs and qualifications

Hanley

cc87 wrote: »

Depends at what level you want to work, what experience you have already and what sport you are looking to work in.

Having said that, if you do all of KGs course and pass the exam to get the cert, it won't mean much to anyone. The courses are decent but you are better off trying to get experience and gain more recognised certs and qualifications

Yah that really.

I'm sure you'll learn a lot but I don't think it'll add weight to your CV if that makes sense?

wadacrack

Hanley wrote: »

Yah that really.

I'm sure you'll learn a lot but I don't think it'll add weight to your CV if that makes sense?

I see. Dosent sound like it is worth the money . Any other courses that could help because i dont think anyone would take me on for work experience with no qualifications despite the knowledge

Hanley

wadacrack wrote: »

I see. Dosent sound like it is worth the money . Any other courses that could help because i dont think anyone would take me on for work experience with no qualifications despite the knowledge

The only one that'll matter with those professionals sports is something university related or UKSCA/CSCS

wadacrack

Hanley wrote: »

The only one that'll matter with those professionals sports is something university related or UKSCA/CSCS

Thanks for the info.. is their any way of doing these courses in ireland without going to university. What about just working in a strength and conditioning facility or are most facilities just by people who are self employed ie. Dont really employ other coaches.

COH

wadacrack wrote: »

Thanks for the info.. is their any way of doing these courses in ireland without going to university. What about just working in a strength and conditioning facility or are most facilities just by people who are self employed ie. Dont really employ other coaches.

anyone can sit the UKSCA but you must have (any) 3rd level degree to sit the CSCS.

What strength and conditioning facilities are you talking about specifically?

wadacrack

COH wrote: »

anyone can sit the UKSCA but you must have (any) 3rd level degree to sit the CSCS.

What strength and conditioning facilities are you talking about specifically?

I have a third level degree. Where can i do the cscs or a link to it
? Just generally from wat i seen some people have opened strength and conditining facilities. With strength and conditioming much more important in sports seems like a good oppurtunity

COH

wadacrack wrote: »

I have a third level degree. Where can i do the cscs or a link to it
? Just generally from wat i seen some people have opened strength and conditining facilities. With strength and conditioming much more important in sports seems like a good oppurtunity

Google it!

And the vast majority of strength and conditioning facilities are operated by personal trainers/gym instructors.

If you want to train the general public then start there.

gymfreak

wadacrack wrote: »

I have a third level degree. Where can i do the cscs or a link to it
? Just generally from wat i seen some people have opened strength and conditining facilities. With strength and conditioming much more important in sports seems like a good oppurtunity

I'm pretty sure that the CSCS exam can be sat in UL once a year. The next date for it is the 14th of July. Not too sure who you'd have to contact as I registered through college but I'm sure the google machine can help out.

cc87

gymfreak wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that the CSCS exam can be sat in UL once a year. The next date for it is the 14th of July. Not too sure who you'd have to contact as I registered through college but I'm sure the google machine can help out.

Its full, people outside the college have to do it through the NSCA website. There isn't much options to do it in Europe each year so they fill fairly fast.

COH

They offer it annually in Amsterdam in January and in Manchester in March. Always at least one in London too.

fit4

Hey there. I attended the KG Elite courses and paid a lot of money to do so.
Dont get me wong here but the Tutor is very well educated and knows hes stuff. It is marketed to the average joe soap and coaches as a short term course to receive a qualification as an SandC coach. I was very dissapointed with the course as we were not given any time to take notes at the lectures and we were not given any bullet points or notes e mailed to us after the course in order to study for the exam. I was not happy with the course and gutted afterwards as i felt that I had been conned.
The course is not a course i would recommend for the average coach or individual looking for a qualification in SandC.
This is only my opinion but My advise would be to hang onto your hard earned cash and buy some good books to educate yourself.
I learned more from attending workshops , seminars and reading and researching then I did on that course.
In terms of getting a qualification for S and C I am afraid there is no quick fix.

Darkest Horse

fit4 wrote: »

Hey there. I attended the KG Elite courses and paid a lot of money to do so.
Dont get me wong here but the Tutor is very well educated and knows hes stuff. It is marketed to the average joe soap and coaches as a short term course to receive a qualification as an SandC coach. I was very dissapointed with the course as we were not given any time to take notes at the lectures and we were not given any bullet points or notes e mailed to us after the course in order to study for the exam. I was not happy with the course and gutted afterwards as i felt that I had been conned.
The course is not a course i would recommend for the average coach or individual looking for a qualification in SandC.
This is only my opinion but My advise would be to hang onto your hard earned cash and buy some good books to educate yourself.
I learned more from attending workshops , seminars and reading and researching then I did on that course.
In terms of getting a qualification for S and C I am afraid there is no quick fix.

Contact him and ask him for the notes. I'm sure he'll oblige. In any case it doesn't seem to be an actual qualification and I can say for sure it is not recognised as such by any team or sporting body that matters. Go for full accreditation by the NSCA or UKSCA.

fit4

Thanks Darkest Horse.
A couple of us have asked for notes and bullet points to be e mailed to us and we were told due to IP rights he cannot and will not send us anything and it is up to ourselves to take it all in and remember.
A valuable lesson learned myself but I would not like to see anyone else get caught. the average joe and a majority of coaches would be completely lost on the course. I am sure if you have a degree in Sports science you could relate to a lot he talks about but other than that It means jibber jabber to anyone else.

Hanley

In fairness it's not unusual for people to refuse to hand out notes on these courses. A lot of what they teach will just get recycled, robbed, diluted down and then passed off as someones own when they start running course.

Never been on the KG course tho os can't comment on the specifics of that.

LuckyLloyd

The best post on this forum about getting qualified is below:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86544308&postcount=7

Will Heffernan wrote: »

Great question. I have some time this morning so I will try to answer it in detail.

If you want to be a gym instructor or a personal trainer this is what I think you should do.

1. You should train. Not only train but you should understand how training works for you and on you. If you don't have the power to change your physique and to make alterations then you should probably give it a miss. That is not to say that you have to be ripped or anything like that (although it is probably in reality more important than anything else...at least when you are starting out) but you should know how to lose fat, put on some muscle, make yourself faster or make yourself fitter.

2. Read. You need to read more than boards and more than what is on the internet. You need to get an anatomy and physiology text book...any one will do. You see people arguing about this like they argue about course...it's pointless as they are 95% the same. Get a text book and learn the bones...all the ones you can see and touch. Learn all the muscles...learn where the originate and insert and what they do....again....all the ones you can see and touch. Then read about energy production in the human body. You need to be able to know enough to be able to explain to your Dad what energy systems are being used in different sports....you don't need to know one hydrogenase from another but you do need to be able to explain in simple terms what is going on in the different energy pathways and if you can make your Dad understand it then you know plenty. You need to understand how the nervous system works and how it works particularly in relation to muscle tissue. You need to understand the physiology of muscle...what it is and how and why it works. Once you have all of the above in your head....now you are ready to be able to read about training and actually understand it. The biggest problem whether it is in the gym or on the interwebz is that people read all about training...they read about 5x5 and 5/3/1 and Starting Strength but they don't actually have any of the 'background' to reeeeeeeeally understand it. Saying that I am not sure that everyone reading this will understand what I am getting at but once you understand all of the above background then you'll get it.

3. Learn. Once you've read about all the background basics with regard anatomy and physiology then you can start learning about training and the very first thing I'd learn about is testing and assessment because when you start trying new things and putting the things you are learning into practice you need to be able to measure them. We all know people who've started training and they look better and better but their scale weight stays the same or goes up and you should know that's because they are losing fat and gaining lean muscle mass etc etc. You need to be able to measure their performance and body composition changes...you need to learn how to do skin folds (which is hard because I didn't see many people who did it well in Ireland) and girth measurements. You need to be able to do some simple strength and muscular endurance tests. You need to be able to do some fitness tests etc etc. These are the things you should learn first. Then you need to start reading and learning about training. Again...there are heaps of good books. Start with any of them you like. Read, learn and then put it into practice on yourself and your friends. Measure where you are when you start. Measure where you finish in 8 weeks. Then grab another book. Read, learn and then put it into practice. Measure where you are when you start. Measure where you finish in 8 weeks. Then sit down and look at all the results from the first program and all the results from the second program and work out what worked well and what didn't. Work out how long it took and were the results worth it. Then talk to and annoy other trainers and coaches. This week I've had programs from people that were all about rope climbing, someone else who was preparing for a police fitness test, someone else who is doing a downhill running event and is trying to work out how to prepare themselves for the doms as they live in the city and don't have hills to run down...I get emails from coaches and athletes all the time and always try to help if I can especially if people look like they are trying to help themselves. There are heaps of coaches and trainers in Ireland and I doubt there's one of them that would't be interested to hear what you have to say about your comparison of programs. Then you can get another book and do it again or start changing the variables that you think will alter performance and asses again in another 8 weeks.

If you did nothing more than what I listed above you'd already be miles ahead of most of the gym instructors out there that have picked up the certificate and gone to work.

4. Get accredited and insured. As I've said multiple times...find the fastest and cheapest way to get accredited and get insurance because you are going to go to do the course and already know more than some of the instructors at some of these places.

5. Get experience. I have had and still do have heaps of people ask if they can help me or come to training and observe and I've never said no. I have always been happy to have the help of have someone else use the stopwatch or record times. You need experience and and you need to have confidence working with athletes and clients. Being comfortable in a coaching/training environment is probably the most important attribute you can have if you want to be a gym instructor or personal trainer.

6. Now go and do the courses you want to do. If you want an Oly lifting cert...go and learn and practice. If you want to have some big black bells swinging between your legs...go do a KB cert. Go do a GAA coaching cert. Go do the IRFU conditioning coaches course or whatever they call it now. Now is the time you should be doing courses because now you have a framework to build upon.

I think the mistake that is made is that people go straight to step 6. They go do a course and get a certificate but if you pulled them aside a week later they'd have a grand total of about 8 minutes of knowledge they could share with you and none of it would hold together.

Cliffnotes:

- all courses are bull****, just pick the cheapest and quickest one;
- be self taught and be doing it and understanding it for a while before you get a rubberstamp of accreditation;
- then pick specialist courses as your career develops and keep learning;

Industry certification is the great nonsense of the modern world, and not a problem specific to the fitness industry.

Darkest Horse

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The best post on this forum about getting qualified is below:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86544308&postcount=7



Cliffnotes:

- all courses are bull****, just pick the cheapest and quickest one;
- be self taught and be doing it and understanding it for a while before you get a rubberstamp of accreditation;
- then pick specialist courses as your career develops and keep learning;

Industry certification is the great nonsense of the modern world, and not a problem specific to the fitness industry.

I'd agree with all that bar the last sentence. Certification is essential in S&C which is what the poster was looking to move into. Even if he works for himself (I don't advise this if S&C is going to be your only service) it is important as a differentiator.

fit4

A lot of good information there LuckyLoyd. I agree with the majority of what you are saying and self education and experience is definately one of the best ways to educate yourself and get confidence over time. You are very true there.
I do disagree about Certification and most courses been useless.
A majority of employers or teams wont even look at you unless you have some sort of Certification. In saying that I know people that are not qualified as an S and C coach but they are very good at what they do and teach very well by breaking things down and practicing everything they teach.
I have spent a lot of money on courses especially the KG elite course and I would not call myself an SandC coach after that.
I put the Certificate away in a box of files in the loft and started reading books .
I am educating myself because there is a lot to learn and you are always learning when it comes to the human body in performance.
I dont usually comment on these things but I would hate to see someone else get caught paying out hard earned money for a con of a course.
Thats only my opinion and its only an opinion.

Darkest Horse

fit4 wrote: »

A lot of good information there LuckyLoyd. I agree with the majority of what you are saying and self education and experience is definately one of the best ways to educate yourself and get confidence over time. You are very true there.
I do disagree about Certification and most courses been useless.
A majority of employers or teams wont even look at you unless you have some sort of Certification. In saying that I know people that are not qualified as an S and C coach but they are very good at what they do and teach very well by breaking things down and practicing everything they teach.
I have spent a lot of money on courses especially the KG elite course and I would not call myself an SandC coach after that.
I put the Certificate away in a box of files in the loft and started reading books .
I am educating myself because there is a lot to learn and you are always learning when it comes to the human body in performance.
I dont usually comment on these things but I would hate to see someone else get caught paying out hard earned money for a con of a course.
Thats only my opinion and its only an opinion.

I wouldn't say the course is a con, I'm sure all the info was relevant and up to date. I wonder why people go on them though. What do they think they will get from them?

Hanley

Darkest Horse wrote: »

I wouldn't say the course is a con, I'm sure all the info was relevant and up to date. I wonder why people go on them though. What do they think they will get from them?

Knowledge...??

A lot of the times at those course there's 2 things you get that you don't expect;

>> a chance to network with other people who know more about something than you do, and form relationships with them to ask for help later

>> information on who and what you should be conducting independent research on

Its a shame to see so many people hopping on the self taught bandwagon.

Yeah, some courses are **** - but sometimes on the right one you'll shortcut A LOT of hardwork.

Darkest Horse

Hanley wrote: »

Knowledge...??

A lot of the times at those course there's 2 things you get that you don't expect;

>> a chance to network with other people who know more about something than you do, and form relationships with them to ask for help later

>> information on who and what you should be conducting independent research on

Its a shame to see so many people hopping on the self taught bandwagon.

Yeah, some courses are **** - but sometimes on the right one you'll shortcut A LOT of hardwork.

If you know the right places to look, self-taught is more than adequate. There's no need to be dropping a few Gs on several different courses here and there. I'm presuming you run one yourself based on what you're saying but it might well be excellent. I'm pretty sure it's not essential though.

Hanley

Darkest Horse wrote: »

If you know the right places to look, self-taught is more than adequate. There's no need to be dropping a few Gs on several different courses here and there. I'm presuming you run one yourself based on what you're saying but it might well be excellent. I'm pretty sure it's not essential though.

If you don't know where to look tho, you're snookered right?

And nope, I don't run one. I do a lot of educational stuff for trainers, but actually running and operating 2 gyms is my primary revenue stream.

...which brings up the next Q about people running S&C courses but not actually working in S&C!

Darkest Horse

Hanley wrote: »

If you don't know where to look tho, you're snookered right?

And nope, I don't run one. I do a lot of educational stuff for trainers, but actually running and operating 2 gyms is my primary revenue stream.

...which brings up the next Q about people running S&C courses but not actually working in S&C!

You're right but how hard is it these days? I'm sure if I googled 'strength and conditioning', Mike Boyle's site would come up. That's a big money saver, am I right?

I don't know of anyone running S and C courses who don't work in the field but I've no doubt it goes on.

LuckyLloyd

fit4 wrote: »

A lot of good information there LuckyLoyd. I agree with the majority of what you are saying and self education and experience is definately one of the best ways to educate yourself and get confidence over time. You are very true there.
I do disagree about Certification and most courses been useless.
A majority of employers or teams wont even look at you unless you have some sort of Certification. In saying that I know people that are not qualified as an S and C coach but they are very good at what they do and teach very well by breaking things down and practicing everything they teach.
I have spent a lot of money on courses especially the KG elite course and I would not call myself an SandC coach after that.
I put the Certificate away in a box of files in the loft and started reading books .
I am educating myself because there is a lot to learn and you are always learning when it comes to the human body in performance.
I dont usually comment on these things but I would hate to see someone else get caught paying out hard earned money for a con of a course.
Thats only my opinion and its only an opinion.

The post I quoted says to get acredited and insured...for as little as possible in terms of time and money..

I mean what do I know? I'm just an idiot talking rubbish on the Internet. But as a consumer of S & C training on a monthly basis I can say that I'd much rather a coach with lots of training experience and a sound knowledge of the human body in terms of phisiology and energy systems than a guy with interest in the area who's sum total of knowledge is a three day course.

Alf Veedersane

Darkest Horse wrote: »

I'm sure if I googled 'strength and conditioning', Mike Boyle's site would come up. That's a big money saver, am I right?

You can also Google 'quantum mechanics' and get several sites from several knowledgeable people. But does that mean you'll be able to teach someone at the end of it?

I think people underestimate just how much you can get out of these things.

I'm not disagreeing that there are courses you could waste money on but I think very, very few people would end up as good being self-taught versus being taught via a good course.

Not to mention the other benefits Hanley outlined.

Hanley

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You can also Google 'quantum mechanics' and get several sites from several knowledgeable people. But does that mean you'll be able to teach someone at the end of it?

I think people underestimate just how much you can get out of these things.

I'm not disagreeing that there are courses you could waste money on but I think very, very few people would end up as good being self-taught versus being taught via a good course.

Not to mention the other benefits Hanley outlined.

This.

The best coaches I know still spend a fortune on workshops despite being in the industry years.

Maybe their original certification wasn't worth much, but on going CPD is huge.

fit4

You gotta take a positive out of everything. When i done the course myself of course I did learn a bit in terms of how to correct someones technique of a squat and a small bit about Sprinting technique which i did enjoy but to me the course is been falsely advertised in places.
Here is the e mail i received before i attended the course. See below

Dear Sir/Madam,

KG Elite Performance are delighted to announce that we will be delivering our next Phase 1 S&C Course in UCD Sport & Fitness beginning October 11th. I would appreciate it if you may forward this to any fitness professional colleague who you feel would be interested in becoming a qualified Strength & Conditioning coach.

As you are probably aware, Strength & Conditioning has become extremely popular within the fitness industry with more and more fitness professionals looking to become qualified within this area. Over the last few years, KG Elite Performance have become the industry leaders in Strength & Conditioning CPD courses in Ireland. Our courses are Internationally recognized (please see below) and we have a number of performance partners who facilitate our courses (Under Armour, Kinetica Nutrition, FSL Electronics).

1-Industry leader in CPD courses in Ireland - How ?Who is the Regulator that has endorsed this course to accredit them with CPD credits because there is nothing on the website to say so only a few logos of other organisations. REPS, Skills active and other governing bodies and regulators can only Provide CPD endorsments.

2- Internationally recognised - How and recognised by who?

Darkest Horse

fit4 wrote: »

You gotta take a positive out of everything. When i done the course myself of course I did learn a bit in terms of how to correct someones technique of a squat and a small bit about Sprinting technique which i did enjoy but to me the course is been falsely advertised in places.
Here is the e mail i received before i attended the course. See below

Dear Sir/Madam,

KG Elite Performance are delighted to announce that we will be delivering our next Phase 1 S&C Course in UCD Sport & Fitness beginning October 11th. I would appreciate it if you may forward this to any fitness professional colleague who you feel would be interested in becoming a qualified Strength & Conditioning coach.

As you are probably aware, Strength & Conditioning has become extremely popular within the fitness industry with more and more fitness professionals looking to become qualified within this area. Over the last few years, KG Elite Performance have become the industry leaders in Strength & Conditioning CPD courses in Ireland. Our courses are Internationally recognized (please see below) and we have a number of performance partners who facilitate our courses (Under Armour, Kinetica Nutrition, FSL Electronics).

1-Industry leader in CPD courses in Ireland - How ?Who is the Regulator that has endorsed this course to accredit them with CPD credits because there is nothing on the website to say so only a few logos of other organisations. REPS, Skills active and other governing bodies and regulators can only Provide CPD endorsments.

2- Internationally recognised - How and recognised by who?

That's the thing, I don't think there is any form of international recognition. In any case, what does that even mean? I do, however, think that the UKSCA award CPD points for attendance on the course and I would see that as a very big positive, though I'm not 100% on that. The guy who runs it, as far as I'm aware, is a very good coach also. You weren't ripped off by any stretch because I think you got what you paid for but neither do I think you'll benefit to any great extent.

fit4

Hi Darkest horse. Did you complete the course yourself?
I personally did but like I said i picked up a couple of things. No more than I would if I bought a good book.

I am not hear posting to knock anyone. I am here to give my opinion and explain my experience along with many others who attended the course with me.
The tutor is well educated in what he does but he has spent years in college to get educated. He didnt do a short course on S & C.
This is my point.
I would sooner pay for a 3 day course that is actually accredited and recognised then hand out money for a made up course that has no recognition at all only by hes own company.
I have attended a lot of workshops, seminars and i have read a lot of books and practiced since I have completed that course.
One seminar i actually attended was by Usain Bolts conditioning trainer who is named Micky Ruben. Google him if you are unfamiliar.
I learned a lot from him in one seminar.
A hell of a lot more than I did on the KG Elite course. I talked to Micky about S and C in Ireland and how there is not much here in terms of training courses. I spoke to him about this course i attended and he was actually shocked.

This is a man that is the conditioning coach for the fastest man in the world so he is doing something right. He opened my eyes a lot to how so many of us are training the wrong way and why we have so many injuries in sports etc.

Anyway this other guy who is highly educated in the area of S and C but this is the problem. He cannot expect to teach and deliver such a complex form of training in a very short course. This takes time.
My personal opinion is this guy came out of college with all of hes degrees and like everyone in these current times, He probably found it hard to get personal recognition or get any work with teams etc.He wanted to make back all the money he spent educating himself which there is nothing wrong with that.
He obviously saw that there was a market in the fitness industry for this and put all of hes years of studying into a short course to make a quick easy buck.

You cannot wrong a man for trying to earn a living but the course I attended was structured very badly and ran through everything very very quickly. (Too Quick)
This is the thing. You have people with all the degrees out there but at the end of the day they cannot break things down to someone elses level and teach effectively.
As the saying goes a good student does not always make a great teacher.

I am not getting caught up on a rant here. I am just giving my opinion and like I said to Top it off. This course is falsely advertised, It has no accreditation, It is a con because any training course should provide you with notes, and a summary e mail with all the bullet points covered on the course etc after paying for it. There was no feedback asked for after the course either which is not good for hes so called Sand C qualification, Certified Accredited course with all the fancy sponsors to make up for the lack of recognition.
The manual was the worst training manual i have ever seen and for the money I paid i didnt expect to be handed a binded folder with very few pages or information about the course for a training manual.
A good course training manual should have all of the course content in the manual or a majority of it at least. There was very little in that manual to take away and look back over to refresh after attending the course and we were all refused to be sent an e mail with a summary of the course and notes etc.
This to me is a con and I hope he sleeps well at night knowing he is taking peoples hard earned cash and flogging them off with what he does.

Hanley

For those calling for "recognition" and "accreditation" - who exactly do you want it certified by....??

That's a serious question.

fit4

From any regulator that has recognised and endorsed the course and its framework. Since it is targeted at the fitness industry by the emails that have been sent out you would think like any other training course in the world that it would have been accredited especially after the money that he charges for a non recognised course.
CPD Credits are only useful if you are a fitness professional registered with the Regulator that provides you with CPD Points.There are plenty of organisations out there that will endorse training courses but from my experience they will not endorse this course due to the structure and very little focus on safety and injury prevention.

After all isnt that the Rule number 1 of real Strength and conditioning.

Many have been fooled by this course and I have spoke with a lot of people who have attended and the Majority are very unhappy that they have all now discovered it aint worth the fancy paper it is written on.

Hanley

fit4 wrote: »

From any regulator that has recognised and endorsed the course and its framework. Since it is targeted at the fitness industry by the emails that have been sent out you would think like any other training course in the world that it would have been accredited especially after the money that he charges for a non recognised course.
CPD Credits are only useful if you are a fitness professional registered with the Regulator that provides you with CPD Points.There are plenty of organisations out there that will endorse training courses but from my experience they will not endorse this course due to the structure and very little focus on safety and injury prevention.

After all isnt that the Rule number 1 of real Strength and conditioning.

Many have been fooled by this course and I have spoke with a lot of people who have attended and the Majority are very unhappy that they have all now discovered it aint worth the fancy paper it is written on.

Name the regulator.

You're asking for something to be accredited to something that doesn't exist.

Hanley

The best courses I've been on have had no accreditation to anything.

Most other fitpros would probably agree.

Darkest Horse

fit4 wrote: »

From any regulator that has recognised and endorsed the course and its framework. Since it is targeted at the fitness industry by the emails that have been sent out you would think like any other training course in the world that it would have been accredited especially after the money that he charges for a non recognised course.
CPD Credits are only useful if you are a fitness professional registered with the Regulator that provides you with CPD Points.There are plenty of organisations out there that will endorse training courses but from my experience they will not endorse this course due to the structure and very little focus on safety and injury prevention.

After all isnt that the Rule number 1 of real Strength and conditioning.

Many have been fooled by this course and I have spoke with a lot of people who have attended and the Majority are very unhappy that they have all now discovered it aint worth the fancy paper it is written on.

If this is the case, the big lesson is either to avoid these courses or research them more thoroughly. In my opinion your best course of action is to attend official UKSCA workshops, get the most relevant information to become accredited and then become accredited. Doing unaffiliated courses is a bit of a lottery and it's unfortunate that you found that out the hard way.

fit4

Hanley wrote: »

In fairness it's not unusual for people to refuse to hand out notes on these courses. A lot of what they teach will just get recycled, robbed, diluted down and then passed off as someones own when they start running course.

Never been on the KG course tho os can't comment on the specifics of that.

It is very unusual not to hand out notes on these courses. People cannot be expected to pay for a course, Give them little time to take notes and then refuse them any follow up e mails with a summary of the course contents because it sure as hell aint in the manual.
To expect to take money from people and not provide them with what they have paid for a is an absolute disgrace.
To be honest I dont think anyone would have to worry too much about taking this course content and robbing it. Aswell as that you cannot have intalectual property rights for words .

Strength and conditioning has been around a long time along with all other sports so KG Elite performance did not create strength and conditioning. It has always been there. Just like all sports.
People will all cop on to this eventually but I pity the many that have been conned so far.

fit4

I know plenty of Regulators but I will leave that up to KG Elite performance to find out.

Any training course is easy to get recognised or endorsed once it has all the criteria that they look for and in fact most training courses should be endorsed with some sort of qualification or if it is not then the individuals booking on should be made aware that it is not recognised or endorsed and it is specifically only for self knowledge because that is all it is.
KG Elite Performance is not a recognised course.
I will say no more. Look into it if you really want to find out because myself and many others have.

fit4

On the Certificates that KG Elite performance has handed out it states

KG Elite performance
phase 1 & 2 Strength and conditioning course
This is to certify that
Mr Joe Bloggs
Has earned 28 hours of CPD Credits in
Strength and conditioning by their participation
in KG Elite Performance Phase 1 & 2 Courses

Now To avail of CPD Credits (Continuing Professional Development) One has to be registered as a fitness professional with a governing body or a regulator to avail of CPD Credits.

There has to be a Regulator who has endorsed this course to state that you have earned 28 hours of CPD credits otherwise that is one big lie on a fancy piece of paper.

WHO??? is the Regulator or WHO ??? has endorsed this training course.

Can anybody answer that question.??

If not then I have made my point here and I have given my opinion about my personal experience on this course. If everybody can refer back to the very first question that was asked on this matter. Well I have just replied to the individual looking for advice. Thats all I am doing here.
I attended this course so I am hoping my thoughts will be taken on board and whoever was thinking about attending this course then please re consider and think it through before you pay a hand out.

I am not saying not to do it. I am giving my personal experience and my personal opinion. After that its up to somebody if they want to attend the course or not.

Darkest Horse

fit4 wrote: »

On the Certificates that KG Elite performance has handed out it states

KG Elite performance
phase 1 & 2 Strength and conditioning course
This is to certify that
Mr Joe Bloggs
Has earned 28 hours of CPD Credits in
Strength and conditioning by their participation
in KG Elite Performance Phase 1 & 2 Courses

Now To avail of CPD Credits (Continuing Professional Development) One has to be registered as a fitness professional with a governing body or a regulator to avail of CPD Credits.

There has to be a Regulator who has endorsed this course to state that you have earned 28 hours of CPD credits otherwise that is one big lie on a fancy piece of paper.

WHO??? is the Regulator or WHO ??? has endorsed this training course.

Can anybody answer that question.??

If not then I have made my point here and I have given my opinion about my personal experience on this course. If everybody can refer back to the very first question that was asked on this matter. Well I have just replied to the individual looking for advice. Thats all I am doing here.
I attended this course so I am hoping my thoughts will be taken on board and whoever was thinking about attending this course then please re consider and think it through before you pay a hand out.

I am not saying not to do it. I am giving my personal experience and my personal opinion. After that its up to somebody if they want to attend the course or not.

Did you not research this before you did the course? Maybe the points can be retrospectively applied when you become accredited?

fit4

No Unfortunately I didnt research this before I booked onto the course.

I was blinded by the false advertising on the website and e mails I received. He had told me over the phone it was a qualification and it is recognised at the time. LIES.

I should have looked into it but I was eager to learn and he made it out that you would be a qualified SandC coach after completion of the course and I fell for it. Total nonsense.
I have learned from my mistake and since then I have attended plenty of workshops, seminars etc and I have invested in some good books.

I am just going to keep doing the same thing because there is always more to learn.

Like I said I am just explaining my personal experience and my opinion but if somebody thought they would benefit from attending the course with no qualifications and handing out the bones of nearly €1000.00 then off with them.

Darkest Horse

fit4 wrote: »

No Unfortunately I didnt research this before I booked onto the course.

I was blinded by the false advertising on the website and e mails I received. He had told me over the phone it was a qualification and it is recognised at the time. LIES.

I should have looked into it but I was eager to learn and he made it out that you would be a qualified SandC coach after completion of the course and I fell for it. Total nonsense.
I have learned from my mistake and since then I have attended plenty of workshops, seminars etc and I have invested in some good books.

I am just going to keep doing the same thing because there is always more to learn.

Like I said I am just explaining my personal experience and my opinion but if somebody thought they would benefit from attending the course with no qualifications and handing out the bones of nearly €1000.00 then off with them.

I have sympathy but not that much. You thought you would become a qualified s and c coach after a 28 hour course? That's an insult to the profession and I'd like you to show me one other field in which such a feat is possible. That's my personal bias coming through but it's absurd that you thought that possible.

fit4

I forgot to mention you cannot avail of CPD points from the KG Elite course because it is not recognised or accredited so in the eyes of all of these regulators out there . This course does not exist as an endorsed training course so you do not receive the CPD credits that states on the certificates he issues.

He knows this and so do I and many others but unfortunately the blind lead the blind and more will follow.

It took for me to do this course to open my eyes and learn from real great Conditioning coaches like Micky Ruban and a well known Sports therapist like Anthony Geoghan.

I have learned a lot since and I will keep on learning but at a cost i think is worth paying for.

fit4

I know that now and we can all be foolish at times.

I had considered doing the Setanta S and C course but at the time I was directed to KG Elite by a friend who had heard about it and it had just started up.

I made the call and I was told after completion of Phase 1 , 2 and 3 you would be a qualified S and C coach through the UKSCA.

He is a great con man, I will give him that much because he conned me and many others. I luckily enough stopped after phase one when I realised it was a big fairy tale and the guy was just taking peoples money and giving them bits and pieces of information but not giving too much.

In regards to the 28 hours to become an S and C coach. I knew that was too good to be true but I fell for it. I know people all over the country who are calling themselves S and C coach who are all just basic gym instructors.

Everybody you speak to now a days is an S and C coach but the majority of them have no clue at all.

Hanley

CPD - the clue is in the name... CONTINUING professional development.

Not "foundation" or "beginner".

And as far as I know the course is accredited for CEUs by the NSCA. The guys behind the worldwide pinnacle of S&C certification - the CSCS exam.

The amount of axe grinding here is ridiculous. I'm out.

fit4

I know that now and we can all be foolish at times.

I had considered doing the Setanta S and C course but at the time I was directed to KG Elite by a friend who had heard about it and it had just started up.

I made the call and I was told after completion of Phase 1 , 2 and 3 you would be a qualified S and C coach through the UKSCA.

He is a great con man, I will give him that much because he conned me and many others. I luckily enough stopped after phase one when I realised it was a big fairy tale and the guy was just taking peoples money and giving them bits and pieces of information but not giving too much.

In regards to the 28 hours to become an S and C coach. I knew that was too good to be true but I fell for it. I know people all over the country who are calling themselves S and C coach who are all just basic gym instructors.

Everybody you speak to now a days is an S and C coach but the majority of them have no clue at all.

fit4

This is on the website. The NCSC is obviously there own recognition. See below

If you are looking for a career in strength & conditioning or looking to add strength & conditioning services to your existing practice, then becoming a certified strength & conditioning coach is a vital career step.KG Elite Performance is the leading short course provider of strength & conditioning in Rep. of Ireland, and our courses were devised to set the highest professional standards of practice for S&C coaches.

Our National Certificate in Strength & Conditioning (NCSC) exam assesses individuals who have completed both Phase 1 and Phase 2 S&C courses.

fit4

Hanley wrote: »

CPD - the clue is in the name... CONTINUING professional development.

Not "foundation" or "beginner".

And as far as I know the course is accredited for CEUs by the NSCA. The guys behind the worldwide pinnacle of S&C certification - the CSCS exam.

The amount of axe grinding here is ridiculous. I'm out.

False Advertising

If you are looking for a career in strength & conditioning or looking to add strength & conditioning services to your existing practice, then becoming a certified strength & conditioning coach is a vital career step.KG Elite Performance is the leading short course provider of strength & conditioning in Rep. of Ireland, and our courses were devised to set the highest professional standards of practice for S&C coaches.

Our National Certificate in Strength & Conditioning (NCSC) exam assesses individuals who have completed both Phase 1 and Phase 2 S&C courses.

Brian?

fit4 wrote: »

False Advertising

If you are looking for a career in strength & conditioning or looking to add strength & conditioning services to your existing practice, then becoming a certified strength & conditioning coach is a vital career step.KG Elite Performance is the leading short course provider of strength & conditioning in Rep. of Ireland, and our courses were devised to set the highest professional standards of practice for S&C coaches.

Our National Certificate in Strength & Conditioning (NCSC) exam assesses individuals who have completed both Phase 1 and Phase 2 S&C courses.

MOD NOTE: fit4, I believe you've made your point. If you have a personal axe to grind, boards.ie is not the place to do it. Can you leave it there please?

cc87

fit4 wrote: »

I made the call and I was told after completion of Phase 1 , 2 and 3 you would be a qualified S and C coach through the UKSCA.

.

This is either a complete lie or due to you not knowing anything about the UKSCA and becoming accredited by them.

Transform

cc87 wrote: »

This is either a complete lie or due to you not knowing anything about the UKSCA and becoming accredited by them.

Number of times a client has ever asked about my qualification in the past 20yrs = zero