Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v 4.0 (08/07/14 to date)

Roger_007 · 13-08-2014 12:01AM

grey_so_what wrote: »

People took up smoking because of the ban......did you ever hear such manure???

If cigarettes are as dangerous as we are being told, they should be made illegal to import, sell or consume; just like any other dangerous substance. The reason this doesn't happen is because they are a big source of revenue for the state.

mikeyjames9 · 13-08-2014 12:02AM

grey_so_what wrote: »

People took up smoking because of the ban......did you ever hear such manure???

lol

fair play to yer man from LGBT SPIKE

he tore that PR dude apart on the tobacco issue

Lapin · 13-08-2014 12:03AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Anyway how will this affect non-transgendered people?

I'm wondering how it affects gay people. Many of transgendered folk are straight and remain so after they go from being called Mr rather than Mrs.

Yet anytime there is a discussion on the issue the gay lot are in there straight away getting their oar in.

Why don't they butt out of other peoples business?

hotmail.com wrote: »

Not one bit. I frankly don't understand the opposition, unless you have a bigoted view of transgender people.

What gave you the impression that I have a bigoted view of transgendered folk?

I don't really give them any more though than I do for anyone else. I used to live two doors down from a woman who used to be a bloke. Do you think that's all we ever spoke about whenever we met. Did we fuk. It seldom came up and when it did, it was always in context of something else.

I just don't like distorting facts simply because people don't like them anymore.

grey_so_what · 13-08-2014 12:05AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

If cigarettes are as dangerous as we are being told, they should be made illegal to import, sell or consume; just like any other dangerous substance. The reason this doesn't happen is because they are a big source of revenue for the state.

No more than drink Roger.......

It's pathetic really....

grey_so_what · 13-08-2014 12:07AM

Lapin wrote: »

I just don't like distorting facts simply because people don't like them anymore.

That's about the nub of it all Lapin.

hotmail.com · 13-08-2014 12:11AM

Lapin wrote: »

I'm wondering how it affects gay people. Many of transgendered folk are straight and remain so after they go from being called Mr rather than Mrs.

Yet anytime there is a discussion on the issue the gay lot are in there straight away getting their oar in.

Why don't they butt out of other peoples business?

What gave you the impression that I have a bigoted view of transgendered folk?

I don't really give them any more though than I do for anyone else. I used to live two doors down from a woman who used to be a bloke. Do you think that's all we ever spoke about whenever we met. Did we fuk. It seldom came up and when it did, it was always in context of something else.

I just don't like distorting facts simply because people don't like them anymore.

Exactly, you should take notice of your own advice.

Your tone and every word you wrote suggested you have a bigoted view of trans people and generally the tone of most of your posts give that impression to be honest about a lot of things.

Facts - the world isn't black and white and all according to Lapin. Some people have different opinions on what "facts" are.

FYI - merely stating that you knew a transgender person doesn't unmake you a bigot..."some of my best friends are transgendered" stuff.

Lapin · 13-08-2014 12:12AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

But the panelist made that exact point, stating that the law will simply mean that a new birth cert will issued reflecting their new gender.

That's fine. But there are some who want to see the official record of their original birth cert altered retrospectively to indicate their chosen sex rather than the one they were born with.

That is revisionism plain and simple and shouldn't be tolerated or permitted.

Its like this - Anyone born on the island of Ireland (say co Kerry), prior to 1920 was issued with a birth cert of the United Kingdom.

They were of course, fully entitled to Free State passports in later years and Republic of Ireland passports after 1949.

Their status as Irish citizens could and should never be questioned.

But nothing - nothing - can ever alter the fact that they were born in the United Kingdom even if they never set foot outside Kerry in their life.

grey_so_what · 13-08-2014 12:18AM

Lapin wrote: »

That's fine. But there are some who want to see the official record of their original birth cert altered retrospectively to indicate their chosen sex rather than the one they were born with.

That is revisionism plain and simple and shouldn't be tolerated or permitted.

Its like this - Anyone born on the island of Ireland (say co Kerry), prior to 1920 was issued with a birth cert of the United Kingdom.

They were of course, fully entitled to Free State passports in later years and Republic of Ireland passports after 1949.

Their status as Irish citizens could and should never be questioned.

But nothing - nothing - can ever alter the fact that they were born in the United Kingdom even if they never set foot outside Kerry in their life.

That is true Lapin.

It may not suit the populist but there you are.
I suppose the legal issues makes people uncomfortable...facts are facts.

hotmail.com · 13-08-2014 12:21AM

grey_so_what wrote: »

That is true Lapin.

It may not suit the populist but there you are.
I suppose the legal issues makes people uncomfortable...facts are facts.

The idea of men becoming women and women becoming men is what makes some people uncomfortable.

Why does it? I have no idea. Maybe you can tell us why.

hotmail.com · 13-08-2014 12:24AM

Lapin wrote: »

That's fine. But there are some who want to see the official record of their original birth cert altered retrospectively to indicate their chosen sex rather than the one they were born with.

That is revisionism plain and simple and shouldn't be tolerated or permitted.

Its like this - Anyone born on the island of Ireland (say co Kerry), prior to 1920 was issued with a birth cert of the United Kingdom.

They were of course, fully entitled to Free State passports in later years and Republic of Ireland passports after 1949.

Their status as Irish citizens could and should never be questioned.

But nothing - nothing - can ever alter the fact that they were born in the United Kingdom even if they never set foot outside Kerry in their life.

This is not revisionism or not anything to do with the location of your birth.

It has to do with a number of people (a handful in relative terms) that want to have a birth cert that reflects their gender identity. That's all.

Your "facts" argument is just ludicrous.

Lapin · 13-08-2014 12:46PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

This is not revisionism or not anything to do with the location of your birth.

It has to do with a number of people (a handful in relative terms) that want to have a birth cert that reflects their gender identity. That's all.

Your "facts" argument is just ludicrous.

A birth cert by its very definition reflects the gender identity of a person when they are born. That simply cannot be altered. Inserting or deleting the letters FE before the word MALE on a document can never change the fact that transgender chose to change their sex.

There is nothing 'ludicrous' about this. Its plain and simple. The very fact that people change their gender acknowledges that they were born with a different one in the past. And the past can't be changed.

But of course anyone who points to such facts is automatically labled as homophobic bigot.

Hitchens · 13-08-2014 11:06PM

that man is saying it like it is

Busted Flat. · 13-08-2014 11:10PM

The clowns are critical of reporting on sucide, then what are they doing?.

Lapin · 13-08-2014 11:16PM

Hitchens wrote: »

that man is saying it like it is

Fionn Davenport.

First time I've seen him on the telly.

They must have let him out of the Newstalk studio for an hour.

He lives there under a desk with a flask of tea, always on standby to fill in for other presenters when they don't show up. Moncrieff and Hook are the worst culprits, but sometimes none of the presenters turn up at all and Fionn spends the whole day on the radio filling in for everyone.

When not filling in, he spends his time on Google under the desk researching things to talk about for his interesting stuff slot on Pat Kenny's show.

A great man altogether.

Hitchens · 13-08-2014 11:36PM

pat rabbitte has lost a bit of weight :pac:

mikeyjames9 · 13-08-2014 11:41PM

Hitchens wrote: »

pat rabbitte has lost a bit of weight :pac:

he's no longer to be referred to as fat rabbitte

Lapin · 13-08-2014 11:48PM

Hitchens wrote: »

pat rabbitte has lost a bit of weight :pac:

I was just thinking the same about Uncle Albert beside him !

Roger_007 · 13-08-2014 11:52PM

I have just tuned in a few minutes ago. Is this the shopping channel or what?

mikeyjames9 · 13-08-2014 11:54PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I have just tuned in a few minutes ago. Is this the shopping channel or what?

chopping channel

coolhull · 14-08-2014 11:41PM

Hello!! Nobody else watching tonight?

Busted Flat. · 14-08-2014 11:48PM

coolhull wrote: »

Hello!! Nobody else watching tonight?

I foolishly switched over late, what do we have the old bag mlod cackling.
gone to fúck as a program.

coolhull · 14-08-2014 11:57PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

I foolishly switched over late, what do we have the old bag mlod cackling.
gone to fúck as a program.

Absolutely, Busted. Only half watching myself and M-L O'D is doing my head in

hotmail.com · 18-08-2014 11:15PM

RTE One showing the outdated sexist nonsense at the moment, while TV3 are debating the recent barbaric treatment of a young woman in this country.

mikeyjames9 · 18-08-2014 11:18PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

RTE One showing the outdated sexist nonsense at the moment, while TV3 are debating the recent barbaric treatment of a young woman in this country.

Nothing wrong with a good looking woman

Roger_007 · 18-08-2014 11:21PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

RTE One showing the outdated sexist nonsense at the moment, while TV3 are debating the recent barbaric treatment of a young woman in this country.

The 'nod-and-wink' mentality towards legislation on this issue has come home to roost. We are incapable as a nation of facing up to real problems without genuflecting to the right-wing religious bigots.

coolhull · 18-08-2014 11:22PM

mikeyjames9 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with a good looking woman

Agreed, but I'm not not allowed to watch VB tonight..... Bloody Roses :mad:

hotmail.com · 18-08-2014 11:23PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

The 'nod-and-wink' mentality towards legislation on this issue has come home to roost. We are incapable as a nation of facing up to real problems without genuflecting to the right-wing religious bigots.

Absolutely.

hotmail.com · 18-08-2014 11:24PM

Cora and her lot presumably wanted to force the woman to see out her pregnancy until full term - no regard for her well fare or state of mind.

RobertKK · 18-08-2014 11:25PM

Very biased panel.

4 women who support abortion versus 1.

Roger_007 · 18-08-2014 11:32PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Very biased panel.

4 women who support abortion versus 1.

Maths was obviously not one of your best subjects......the TOTAL number on the panel is 4.

Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v 4.0 (08/07/14 to date)

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