ebola

enno99 · 12-08-2014 12:33PM

jh79 wrote: »

The virus can survive in bodily fluid, for a few days, outside of the body such as on a wall, so not a strange statement at all.

Because it requires the exchange of bodily fluids to spread making it easier to manage.

your above statement seems to read its something like the HIV/AIDS virus where personal contact is needed to transmit the virus

Is it possible for a infected person to potentially infect a taxi /local bus/airport lounge seat etc

I dont know but if its a scare tactic to get people to take a vaccine It will certainly work
And if they want to implant a RFID chip as proof you have been vaccinated ( so that you can cross borders enter public buildings etc ) along with it that will be ok too

Microchips Will Be Implanted Into Healthy People Sooner Than You Think

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/microchips-implanted-healthy-people-sooner-152916800.html

12-08-2014 01:03PM

enno99 wrote: »

your above statement seems to read its something like the HIV/AIDS virus where personal contact is needed to transmit the virus

Is it possible for a infected person to potentially infect a taxi /local bus/airport lounge seat etc

I dont know but if its a scare tactic to get people to take a vaccine It will certainly work
And if they want to implant a RFID chip as proof you have been vaccinated ( so that you can cross borders enter public buildings etc ) along with it that will be ok too

Microchips Will Be Implanted Into Healthy People Sooner Than You Think

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/microchips-implanted-healthy-people-sooner-152916800.html

Are you saying the authorities aren't doing enough to prevent its spread and are downplaying its seriousness by not imposing travel restrictions or that the threat is being exaggerated to dupe people into getting vaccines?

enno99 · 12-08-2014 01:20PM

jh79 wrote: »

Are you saying the authorities aren't doing enough to prevent its spread and are downplaying its seriousness by not imposing travel restrictions

or that the threat is being exaggerated to dupe people into getting vaccines?

As I said I dont know

As to the first part

Liberian dies in Morocco of Ebola - Internal Affairs Minister discloses

http://www.news.heritageliberia.net/index.php/inside-heritage/health/3583-liberian-dies-in-morocco-of-ebola-internal-affairs-minister-discloses

In another recent development, Morocco's health ministry has ruled out EVD in a Liberian traveler—a 44-year-old man--who died at the Casablanca airport on Jul 29, according to a Jul 31 machine-translated statement on the ministry Web site. It said the man died from a heart attack and was tested because he was from one of the EVD outbreak countries.

In an earlier media report, an official with Morocco's interior ministry said the man had an EVD infection.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/08/ebola-developments-trigger-cdcs-highest-response-level

Who to believe ?

The first statement could have been a mistake
The second one could be to protect the tourism industry

Meanwhile, more than 10.5 million tourists visited Morocco last year – up 7 percent since 2012, according to AFP.

http://www.ibtimes.com/morocco-making-most-its-status-secure-tourist-destination-1556452

most holiday makers stay for 7 to 14 days Ebola symptoms might not show for up to 21 days
the potential for the virus spreading worldwide is not that hard to imagine

enno99 · 12-08-2014 01:52PM

What if

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The viruses that cause AIDS and Ebola, two deadly, contagious and highly feared diseases, spread through the body using the same mechanism, U.S.-based researchers said on Friday.

The researchers, led by Dr. Paul Bieniasz of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center at New York's Rockefeller University, said they hoped their finding might lead to the discovery of new drugs to help treat HIV and Ebola infections.

To confirm the study findings, the researchers genetically engineered a hybrid of HIV and Ebola, and a hybrid of HIV and the Tsg101 protein.

http://rense.com/general17/aidsandEbola.htm

The field of HIV/AIDS research suffered a major setback with the announcement that over 100 of the world’s top researchers were among the 298 passengers of Malaysia Flight 17 shot down over Ukraine.

The researchers were traveling to the International AIDS Conference that begins Sunday in Melbourne, Australia.

One of the confirmed dead is Dr. Joep Lange, the executive scientific director of the Amsterdam Institute for Global Health and Development and well regarded as the top AIDS researcher in the world.

http://www.physiciansnews.com/2014/07/18/100-leading-aids-researchers-killed-on-flight-17/

Maybe the Ebola virus was deliberately unleashed to test the efficacy of the cure and the vaccine
perhaps they took out a plane load of potential whistle blowers

12-08-2014 03:38PM

jh79 wrote: »

Are you saying the authorities aren't doing enough to prevent its spread and are downplaying its seriousness by not imposing travel restrictions or that the threat is being exaggerated to dupe people into getting vaccines?

Like with Swine Flu, and Avian flu, the conspiracy theory will change with the news cycle.
At first it will be a plot to spread the virus for some reason.
Then, when measures are taken and the virus won't wipe out the planet as predicted, the conspiracy theory will change to be that They are going to enforce mandatory vaccinations or use the vaccinations as a cover for some other nefarious purpose.
Then when that doesn't happen the conspiracy theory will be that the governments were scaremongering, but the conspiracy theorists knew that the whole time.

enno99 · 12-08-2014 04:59PM

King Mob wrote: »

Like with Swine Flu, and Avian flu, the conspiracy theory will change with the news cycle.
.

I always admired that about Conspiracy theorists their ability to reevaluate their position when credible information comes to light

Where as others just like to stick to the official script and ignore anything that contradicts it

enno99 · 12-08-2014 06:16PM

One Ebola drug tapped out after experimental doses

In the battle against the Ebola outbreak, the experimental treatment ZMapp had offered hope, but its manufacturer now says its supply has been exhausted.

While there's no approved treatment for Ebola, another company, Tekmira Pharmaceuticals (TKMR) is also working on a treatment called TKM-Ebola. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Thursday said it would modify an earlier halt on testing the treatment, allowing infected patients to receive the medication.

Tekmira didn't immediately respond to a request for information about how much of a supply it has on hand.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/one-ebola-drug-tapped-out-after-experimental-doses/

Tekmira Pharmaceuticals

Collaborators and Partners

Joint Project Manager Medical Countermeasure Systems (JPM-MCS) U.S. Department of Defense (DoD)

In 2010, Tekmira signed a $140-million contract with the DoD to advance an RNAi therapeutic, which utilized our LNP technology, to treat Ebola virus infection. In 2013, the collaboration was expanded to include significant advances in LNP formulation technology, including a new LNP formulation that was more potent, the ability to be able to lyophilize (freeze-dry) LNP formulations and an LNP formulation that can be administered

Monsanto Company

In 2014, Tekmira signed an Option Agreement with Monsanto, permitting Monsanto to obtain a license to use Tekmira's proprietary delivery technology. The companies' agreement and research collaboration will focus on the development of new innovative biological solutions for farmers, which have the potential to provide new options for sustainable pest, virus and weed control. The potential value of the transaction could reach up to $86.2 million following the successful completion of milestones.

http://www.tekmira.com/partners/partnerships.php

euroboom13 · 12-08-2014 06:24PM

Any disease that spreads on the world news ,country by country ,at a million times the speed of the actual disease, is doing more harm, globally, with its name ,than with its symptoms .

Ignore !till at your door(if its on your telly it most likely wont cause a trip to casualty,EVER )

Torakx · 12-08-2014 06:37PM

If it's at your door, it's probably too late to domuch about it. Figuratively and literally.
Certainly ignoring a virus or disease moving from country to country, is not going to stop it.
Are you saying that if nobody did anything at all, it will just run its course and that there would be very minimal deaths or infections attributed to it?

If you didn't want it literally on your doorstep, you might want to protect your street. If you didn't want to have it on your street you might want to protect your town or city.
As a country, should Ireland sit back and wait for someone else to fix it?
Or it might be that because larger warring states are pulling resources out of Africa, they should foot the bill as recompense?
I wouldn't fancy waiting on the fair choice to be made by those people!

12-08-2014 06:44PM

enno99 wrote: »

I always admired that about Conspiracy theorists their ability to reevaluate their position when credible information comes to light

Where as others just like to stick to the official script and ignore anything that contradicts it

That would be great, but as evidenced by the threads about swine flu, there was no credible information that came to light to supported any of claims at any stage.
But still Conspiracy media pretended as if it had been making the one true claim all the time, then ignoring all of the claims made previously. Then at the same time make fun of the mainstream media for scaremongering and the sheeple for buying into it.

stuff.hunter · 12-08-2014 07:19PM

here you go, folks...
a priest which came back from Africa died in Spain.... ebola virus reached Europe

CINCLANTFLT · 12-08-2014 07:28PM

I thought someone would suggest something like this about the vaccine...

"The cause of the sudden outbreak of terrorism is radical eco-terrorists, who are owners and employees of Horizon Corporation, a large and successful biotechnology firm. They engineer a modified version of the Ebola virus, nicknamed "Shiva"; they also engineer two vaccines: a phony "A" vaccine to covertly spread the Shiva virus; and an effective "B" vaccine to protect themselves"

http://rainbowsix.wikia.com/wiki/Rainbow_Six

12-08-2014 07:49PM

stuff.hunter wrote: »

here you go, folks...
a priest which came back from Africa died in Spain.... ebola virus reached Europe

He was brought back from Africa with the Ebola virus to be treated, they knew he had it before they left Africa.

stuff.hunter · 12-08-2014 08:55PM

jh79 wrote: »

He was brought back from Africa with the Ebola virus to be treated, they knew he had it before they left Africa.

..well, guess how many came back to Europe infected but without any symptoms

12-08-2014 09:22PM

stuff.hunter wrote: »

..well, guess how many came back to Europe infected but without any symptoms

Between 2 and 21 days for symptoms to occurs so only 3 weeks of flights into Europe from the affected areas to consider.

So probably none.

euroboom13 · 12-08-2014 09:51PM

Torakx wrote: »

If it's at your door, it's probably too late to domuch about it. Figuratively and literally.
Certainly ignoring a virus or disease moving from country to country, is not going to stop it.
Are you saying that if nobody did anything at all, it will just run its course and that there would be very minimal deaths or infections attributed to it?

If you didn't want it literally on your doorstep, you might want to protect your street. If you didn't want to have it on your street you might want to protect your town or city.
As a country, should Ireland sit back and wait for someone else to fix it?
Or it might be that because larger warring states are pulling resources out of Africa, they should foot the bill as recompense?
I wouldn't fancy waiting on the fair choice to be made by those people!

I am afraid that if it reaches our shores it will be every man for himself, same as always here!

Azwaldo55 · 14-08-2014 08:57AM

In the late 1990s Tom Clancy wrote Rainbow Six in which a group of super rich eco fanatics come up with a diabolic plan to release a genetically modified ebola virus at the Sydney Olympics. Once the virus spreads they aim to go public with an supposed antidote which is designed to kill everyone on earth.
In the end their compound in the Amazon jungle is surrounded and blown up and the survivors are stripped and left naked to die in the jungle.

gozunda · 14-08-2014 09:35AM

This is a good start on the conspiracy theories angle ...:/

Video - "AFRICANS ACCUSE 'WESTERNERS' OF SPREADING EBOLA! U.S. PEACE CORPS REMOVES ALL VOLUNTEERS!"

2.4 minutes long...

http://m.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/183121/Africans_Accuse_Westerners_of_Spreading_Ebola_US_Peace_Corps_Removes_All_Volunteers/

14-08-2014 12:01PM

Letter to the Irish Times doubting the HSE's ability to manage an Ebola outbreak.

http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/letters/ebola-and-the-hse-1.1894861

Harold Weiss · 14-08-2014 06:43PM

Watched bit of Contagion. The scene with Jude Law was very funny because he adds color to otherwise bland film.

Using social media for evidence (which the US state department does quite often). Inferring a connection between WHO and Pharma when WHO warned us we were on the precipice of doom in 2009 resulting in the purchase of swine flu vaccines that weren't even needed (Ireland spent €90 million alone)

There's plenty of evidence to show a revolving door between FDA and Pharma as it happens but you'd only presume it's nonsense without having spent an iota of time researching how lucrative the pharmaceutical industry is.

Believe it or not, pharma companies regularly manufacture and market drugs to make money. Most of the studies which show the efficacy of such drugs are funded by the industry...no, really...

I used to think they were in business to help people, like the tobacco and alcohol industry which kills millions every year.

Plenty of books have been written by pharma industry insiders so they can't all be crazy conspiracy theorists now, can they?

Harold Weiss · 14-08-2014 07:04PM

jh79 wrote: »

Letter to the Irish Times doubting the HSE's ability to manage an Ebola outbreak.

http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/letters/ebola-and-the-hse-1.1894861

Perhaps I am missing something here, but what exactly can any GP do to treat Ebola? Since when do small surgeries have the facilities necessary to deal with contagious viral haemorrhagic fevers?

Valid questions

Torakx · 14-08-2014 07:06PM

gozunda wrote: »

This is a good start on the conspiracy theories angle ...:/

Video - "AFRICANS ACCUSE 'WESTERNERS' OF SPREADING EBOLA! U.S. PEACE CORPS REMOVES ALL VOLUNTEERS!"

2.4 minutes long...

http://m.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/183121/Africans_Accuse_Westerners_of_Spreading_Ebola_US_Peace_Corps_Removes_All_Volunteers/

I can't get this video to play. But I am caught between the superstition of native africans in those areas and also of western governments and corporations motivations.

gozunda · 14-08-2014 07:09PM

Torakx wrote: »

I can't get this video to play. But I am caught between the superstition of native africans in those areas and also of western governments and corporations motivations.

Copy the link directly to your browser else you may need to update your java tm

14-08-2014 07:17PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Watched bit of Contagion. The scene with Jude Law was very funny because he adds color to otherwise bland film.

Using social media for evidence (which the US state department does quite often). Inferring a connection between WHO and Pharma when WHO warned us we were on the precipice of doom in 2009 resulting in the purchase of swine flu vaccines that weren't even needed (Ireland spent €90 million alone)

There's plenty of evidence to show a revolving door between FDA and Pharma as it happens but you'd only presume it's nonsense without having spent an iota of time researching how lucrative the pharmaceutical industry is.

Believe it or not, pharma companies regularly manufacture and market drugs to make money. Most of the studies which show the efficacy of such drugs are funded by the industry...no, really...

I used to think they were in business to help people, like the tobacco and alcohol industry which kills millions every year.

Plenty of books have been written by pharma industry insiders so they can't all be crazy conspiracy theorists now, can they?

Of course they are funded by the industry who else would fund them .

Of course drug are manufactured to make money how else would they paid for further research and staff etc, bizarre point to make.

FDA, IMB etc are very stringent and it is extremely difficult to get a drug on the market.

The Pharma industry isn't very lucrative compared to Apple or Microsoft for example. Very high risk business .

14-08-2014 07:21PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Valid questions

The WHO say it is very unlikely that someone could catch ebola while on a plane even if an infected person is on board. So unlikely we will ever have to deal with such a situation.

Harold Weiss · 14-08-2014 07:39PM

The Pharma industry isn't very lucrative compared to Apple or Microsoft for example. Very high risk business .

$600 billion business.

I suppose it depends what products are on the market but just for example, in 2013, Microsoft earned $21 Billion while the leading pharma company, Pfizer earned $23 billion for its shareholders.

A lot of pharma companies outperform technology stocks.

Torakx · 14-08-2014 07:52PM

jh79 wrote: »

The WHO say it is very unlikely that someone could catch ebola while on a plane even if an infected person is on board. So unlikely we will ever have to deal with such a situation.

I don't get that fully yet.
Viruses usually spread through contact. Often travelling tonew hosts through the air using particles of fluids.

Does Ebola spread for example if someone coughed intothe face of another person?
whatabout if theywipe their sweaty brow and touch the magazine on the seat ahea dof them and then someone else touches the magazine and puts their fingers in their mouth?
What about sneezing? Or shaking hands and then touching your mouth or face?
I'm not trying to be pedantic or "msart", just curious if these things would apply and if not, why? Like how does it spread exactly? does it go through the blood stream through skin? Or maybe into the digestive system and the into the bloodstream?
How is it compared to other viruses?
I realise this can be answered with a lot of google searches. But if someone here has done this already and knows. It would save a lot of people a lot of time.

14-08-2014 08:28PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

$600 billion business.

I suppose it depends what products are on the market but just for example, in 2013, Microsoft earned $21 Billion while the leading pharma company, Pfizer earned $23 billion for its shareholders.

A lot of pharma companies outperform technology stocks.

That is a revenue figure not profit. I think 6 b of that was profit which i i'm sure many other companies can top.

Pharma stock's are seen as a safe option as profits tend not to swing too much.

Lots of merger s happening which lead to high revenue figures but a smaller number of players.

14-08-2014 08:30PM

Torakx wrote: »

I don't get that fully yet.
Viruses usually spread through contact. Often travelling tonew hosts through the air using particles of fluids.

Does Ebola spread for example if someone coughed intothe face of another person?
whatabout if theywipe their sweaty brow and touch the magazine on the seat ahea dof them and then someone else touches the magazine and puts their fingers in their mouth?
What about sneezing? Or shaking hands and then touching your mouth or face?
I'm not trying to be pedantic or "msart", just curious if these things would apply and if not, why? Like how does it spread exactly? does it go through the blood stream through skin? Or maybe into the digestive system and the into the bloodstream?
How is it compared to other viruses?
I realise this can be answered with a lot of google searches. But if someone here has done this already and knows. It would save a lot of people a lot of time.

It is not an air borne virus so is probably closer to Herpes or HIV in profile.

gozunda · 14-08-2014 08:36PM

From the World Health Organisation

Ebola is introduced into the human population through close contact with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected animals. In Africa, infection has been documented through the handling of infected chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, forest antelope and porcupines found ill or dead or in the rainforest.

Ebola then spreads in the community through human-to-human transmission, with infection resulting from direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and indirect contact with environments contaminated with such fluids. Burial ceremonies in which mourners have direct contact with the body of the deceased person can also play a role in the transmission of Ebola. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

ebola

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