ebola

Torakx

It says other bodily fluids there. That means airbourne to me.

Torakx

Torakx wrote: »

It says other bodily fluids there. That means airbourne to me.

The virus needs to be contained within bodily fluids to survive. Mucus from a sneeze doesn't stay airborne it will land after a few seconds.

http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/infectious-disease/epi/airborne/

Explained here

jh79

jh79 wrote: »

The WHO say it is very unlikely that someone could catch ebola while on a plane even if an infected person is on board. So unlikely we will ever have to deal with such a situation.

The WHO also say :

Low risk exposures

A low risk exposure includes any of the following

''Household member or other casual contact1 with an EVD patient
Providing patient care or casual contact1 without high-risk exposure with EVD patients in health care facilities in EVD outbreak affected countries*

They then go on to define what they mean:

'' Casual contact is defined as a) being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) or within the room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., healthcare personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., droplet and contact precautions–see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations); or b) having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD case while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., droplet and contact precautions–see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations). At this time, brief interactions, such as walking by a person or moving through a hospital, do not constitute casual contact.

So, you would be at Low Risk exposure if you were seated next to someone with Ebola for a few hours on a flight, would you not?

gozunda

Jake1 wrote: »

The WHO also say :

Low risk exposures

A low risk exposure includes any of the following

''Household member or other casual contact1 with an EVD patient
Providing patient care or casual contact1 without high-risk exposure with EVD patients in health care facilities in EVD outbreak affected countries*

They then go on to define what they mean:

'' Casual contact is defined as a) being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) or within the room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., healthcare personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., droplet and contact precautions–see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations); or b) having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD case while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., droplet and contact precautions–see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations). At this time, brief interactions, such as walking by a person or moving through a hospital, do not constitute casual contact.

So, you would be at Low Risk exposure if you were seated next to someone with Ebola for a few hours on a flight, would you not?

Depends on the stage of the infection

If ...

EVD is a severe acute viral illness often characterized by the sudden onset of fever, intense weakness, muscle pain, headache and sore throat. This is followed by vomiting, diarrhoea, rash, impaired kidney and liver function, and in some cases, both internal and external bleeding. Laboratory findings include low white blood cell and platelet counts and elevated liver enzymes.
...
Health-care workers caring for patients with suspected or confirmed Ebola virus should apply, in addition to standard precautions, other infection control measures to avoid any exposure to the patient’s blood and body fluids and direct unprotected contact with the possibly contaminated environment. When in close contact (within 1 metre) of patients with EBV, health-care workers should wear face protection (a face shield or a medical mask and goggles), a clean, non-sterile long-sleeved gown, and gloves (sterile gloves for some procedures

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

Some of the photos of areas showing the aftermath of a removed body looks like a bloodbath ...

Jake1

Jake1 wrote: »

The WHO also say :

Low risk exposures

So, you would be at Low Risk exposure if you were seated next to someone with Ebola for a few hours on a flight, would you not?

So you would have a low risk of contracting it or in other words you would be unlikely to catch it.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Depends on the stage of the infection

If ...



http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

Some of the photos of areas showing the aftermath of a removed body looks like a bloodbath ...

I really admire the medical staff who deal with this. I certainly couldnt in all honesty.

Beano

Torakx wrote: »

It says other bodily fluids there. That means airbourne to me.

but not to anybody of a medical background

Torakx

jh79 wrote: »

The virus needs to be contained within bodily fluids to survive. Mucus from a sneeze doesn't stay airborne it will land after a few seconds.

That is my point in relation to the scenarios i described earlier. a tiny particle of fluid, like saliva or mucus could do it , or so it seems to me.
Now if the virus dies in this state too quickly for it to infect and spread, then maybe the spread will not be as easy as I imagine.

Torakx

Torakx wrote: »

That is my point in relation to the scenarios i described earlier. a tiny particle of fluid, like saliva or mucus could do it , or so it seems to me.
Now if the virus dies in this state too quickly for it to infect and spread, then maybe the spread will not be as easy as I imagine.

It doesn't spread as easy as you seem to believe, poor sanitation and overcrowded living conditions are causing this to spread.

http://www.thejournal.ie/ebola-1621206-Aug2014/

First case in Ireland it seems.

jh79

jh79 wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/ebola-1621206-Aug2014/

First case in Ireland it seems.

False alarm

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0815/637228-evidence-ebola-outbreak-vastly-underestimated/

gozunda

jh79 wrote: »

False alarm

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0815/637228-evidence-ebola-outbreak-vastly-underestimated/

Thank drudge for that :eek: I know of an individual who was placed in 'isolation' in the Mater and to say that the isolation system was a joke is an understatement. If we do get Ebola and it is treated in a similar manner to that witnessed we are all Doomed!

MadYaker

gozunda wrote: »

Thank drudge for that :eek: I know of an individual who was placed in 'isolation' in the Mater and to say that the isolation system was a joke is an understatement. If we do get Ebola and it is treated in a similar manner to that witnessed we are all Doomed!

The Irish health system deals with less dangerous but far more contagious pathogens than ebola on a daily basis. Even there is a confirmed case in Ireland, which is highly unlikely, I wouldn't be in the slightest bit worried unless it was someone I recently had close contact with.

Harold Weiss

MadYaker wrote: »

The Irish health system deals with less dangerous but far more contagious pathogens than ebola on a daily basis. Even there is a confirmed case in Ireland, which is highly unlikely, I wouldn't be in the slightest bit worried unless it was someone I recently had close contact with.

It's funny though.

If I had Ebola, what would be the point in going to my GP? To infect everyone in the waiting room?

You could be waiting hours in some GP clinics and by the time you're seen, you could already have infected many other people.

HSE is run by sub-morons too busy eating fillet steak and lobster thermidor to realize how short sighted their "strategy" for dealing with this problem is.

Eventually, Ebola will get to Ireland and it's entirely the fault of authorities because instead of taking precautions and restricting travel from affected areas until the virus is contained, they're merely providing "travel advice"

Only an idiot would need advice, affected areas are unsafe for travel. Do we need to be told this? Apparently they think so.

Harold Weiss

Harold Weiss wrote: »

It's funny though.

If I had Ebola, what would be the point in going to my GP? To infect everyone in the waiting room?

You could be waiting hours in some GP clinics and by the time you're seen, you could already have infected many other people.

HSE is run by sub-morons too busy eating fillet steak and lobster thermidor to realize how short sighted their "strategy" for dealing with this problem is.

Eventually, Ebola will get to Ireland and it's entirely the fault of authorities because instead of taking precautions and restricting travel from affected areas until the virus is contained, they're merely providing "travel advice"

Only an idiot would need advice, affected areas are unsafe for travel. Do we need to be told this? Apparently they think so.

35 years since its discovery and it still hasn't made it here.

Read on the other thread there are no commercial flights between Ireland and Africa. So no need to restrict travel.

Harold Weiss

jh79 wrote: »

35 years since its discovery and it still hasn't made it here.

Read on the other thread there are no commercial flights between Ireland and Africa. So no need to restrict travel.

It will find its way here eventually, jh79.

I'm not worried about it, I don't care but I know it will get here.

The main area that will be affected is Dublin so who cares? :pac:

Harold Weiss

Harold Weiss wrote: »

It will find its way here eventually, jh79.

I'm not worried about it, I don't care but I know it will get here.

The main area that will be affected is Dublin so who cares? :pac:

So how would the travel restrictions work when there are no direct flights between the two countries?

Article here from the New York Times, some of the medical staff are concerned about the CDC's advice regarding what they wear when treating patient with Ebola.

Im with the staff on this one .

link here

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/health/hospitals-in-the-us-get-ready-for-ebola.html?&_r=0

MadYaker

Harold Weiss wrote: »

It's funny though.

If I had Ebola, what would be the point in going to my GP? To infect everyone in the waiting room?

You could be waiting hours in some GP clinics and by the time you're seen, you could already have infected many other people.

HSE is run by sub-morons too busy eating fillet steak and lobster thermidor to realize how short sighted their "strategy" for dealing with this problem is.

Eventually, Ebola will get to Ireland and it's entirely the fault of authorities because instead of taking precautions and restricting travel from affected areas until the virus is contained, they're merely providing "travel advice"

Only an idiot would need advice, affected areas are unsafe for travel. Do we need to be told this? Apparently they think so.

I apologise in advance for my bluntness but after reading this post it's become clear that you have no idea what you'r talking about.

How exactly is someone with ebola going to infect everyone in a GPs waiting room? Are they somehow going to be spreading their blood and saliva all over the other people there? Coughing and sneezing isn't enough to spread it unless you are literally coughing directly on a person at a very short distance.

Ebola may well get to Ireland. And when it does the person who has it will be quarantined and will most likely die in isolation. Anyone that person had close contact with will be tested for ebola and possibly quarantined as well until its certain they don't have the disease.

This virus isn't transmitted half as easily as people seem to think. Yes it's ravaging countries in west africa. Where people are totally uneducated, cling relentlessly to their traditions and will take the advice of their local witch doctor 100 times before they'll listen to some white guy in a full hazmat suit.

Harold Weiss

MadYaker wrote: »

I apologise in advance for my bluntness but after reading this post it's become clear that you have no idea what you'r talking about.

Ah now, you really aren't this sincere normally, are you? I feel privileged and fuzzy.

How exactly is someone with ebola going to infect everyone in a GPs waiting room? Are they somehow going to be spreading their blood and saliva all over the other people there? Coughing and sneezing isn't enough to spread it unless you are literally coughing directly on a person at a very short distance.

I could be coughing over everyone. Maybe I infect the doctor and everyone that visits the doctor starts inhaling his mucus..who the hell knows?

The point is, Ebola is in Africa, in a very isolated area so there's nothing to worry about...but then again, HSE are giving "travel advice" because they think everyone's an idiot. I don't need to be told affected areas are danger to visit...who really needs that "advice" ?

Ebola may well get to Ireland.

Eventually it will, yes. Undoubtedly.
I don't expect a big problem if you're an insensitive asshole, less than dozen people will perish. If HSE are too busy wiping their lips of lobster thermidor, it might be more severe.

And when it does the person who has it will be quarantined and will most likely die in isolation.

How do you know? A person can get on a bus for a 4 hour journey and everyone on that bus will be infected.

Anyone that person had close contact with will be tested for ebola and possibly quarantined as well until its certain they don't have the disease.
This virus isn't transmitted half as easily as people seem to think. Yes it's ravaging countries in west africa. Where people are totally uneducated, cling relentlessly to their traditions and will take the advice of their local witch doctor 100 times before they'll listen to some white guy in a full hazmat suit.

I agree there's a lot of fear mongering but for you to infer concerns are "uneducated" is pure arrogance.

Finish your fillet steak and tell me how good it feels.

If everybody on this bus of yours has an impromptu orgy then yes they might all be infected!

Harold Weiss

Harold Weiss wrote: »

I agree there's a lot of fear mongering but for you to infer concerns are "uneducated" is pure arrogance.

Who's doing the fearmongering exactly and how is it different to people who are claiming that the disease is more infectious than experts are letting and that it is going to spread all over the world thanks to a government conspiracy?

Harold Weiss

jh79 wrote: »

If everybody on this bus of yours has an impromptu orgy then yes they might all be infected!

Honest for a change. Thank you.

Harold Weiss

King Mob wrote: »

Who's doing the fearmongering exactly and how is it different to people who are claiming that the disease is more infectious than experts are letting and that it is going to spread all over the world thanks to a government conspiracy?

Well...let me tell you.

As the postman was dumping spam in my mailbox, he managed to distract me with this Ebola story.

Clenched in his hands were special offers from local supermarket and you could defend him for just trying to make a living.

I managed to remind him his 20 cents couldn't possibly reimburse the earth losing a tree and a barrel of oil, but he persisted in pushing that junk in my mail box anyway.

Was I smiling when he did it? No, I certainly was not but what could you do anyway?

I scratched my head and again reminded him of his deficit to humanity.

"Look man, you're deploying a piece of paper that costs this planet more than what you can redeem for your salary"

And he said.

"I'm just trying to survive, I don't like delivering this **** anymore than you like looking at it every morning."

Granted, the man was just being honest...and he was right. You know? There's a man trying to make ends meet.

You couldn't fault him for that.

degrassinoel

I bought an adhesive backed "NO JUNK MAIL" sign for 50c about a year ago and haven't had any junk mail since then. However, that has nothing to do with Ebola, can we get back on topic please?

A suspected case in Alicante Spain.

http://www.elmundo.es/comunidad-valenciana/2014/08/16/53efb686268e3e2f558b4583.html


http://www.thespainreport.com/10398/spanish-health-authorities-alicante-activate-alert-protocols-two-possible-ebola-cases/

gozunda

MadYaker wrote: »

The Irish health system (regularly fails to) deal with less dangerous but far more contagious ( but much less deadly ) pathogens than ebola on a daily basis...(see MRSA for example)

Fixed that ...

So is there an actual conspiracy or are we just having a general chat about Ebola?

Harold Weiss

jh79 wrote: »

So is there an actual conspiracy or are we just having a general chat about Ebola?

It's highly suspicious hanging out on the conspiracy theory forum trying to stimulate debate about something you don't believe in.