ebola

nyarlothothep

Do you think it will become an uncontainable global pandemic King Mob?

nyarlothothep

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Do you think it will become an uncontainable global pandemic King Mob?

Nope. Probably not. Just like with happened with swine flu, bird flu and SARS.

Do think that ebola will lead to the reduction of freedom or martial law or forced vaccinations any any of the other things that were claimed will happen with those outbreak as well?

Could you outline what exactly the theory is here?

enno99

Exclusive Twitter data shows how conversation about the virus has escalated dramatically

As Ebola has taken more lives and crept into more countries, the virus has come to dominate both news headlines and social media conversation. On Twitter, a whopping 10.5 million tweets mentioning the word “Ebola” were sent between Sept. 16 and Oct. 6 from 170 countries around the world. The map below, based on data TIME obtained exclusively from Twitter, shows how the conversation blew up in early October.

The country where Ebola dominates conversation most is Liberia, where the virus has already claimed more than 2,000 lives. In terms of sheer volume, though, most Ebola tweets are sent from the United States. Global conversation about the disease exploded after a Liberian man was diagnosed with the disease at a Dallas hospital on Sept. 30. On the night of Oct. 1, Twitter users were firing off missives about Ebola at the rate of more than 6,000 per minute, up from about 100 per minute before Sept. 30. Check out the heat map of Ebola tweets below to see how quickly talk of the virus spread following its arrival in the U.S.

Research scientists who study the way we communicate on social networks borrow much of the terminology that’s used by health officials who are trying to control an epidemic. Internet users who pick up misinformation and false rumors are known as the “infected,” and they can infect others with every errant tweet or Facebook post. Much of what has been posted on social media about Ebola has been helpful—the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s illustrated tweet explaining how the virus spreads has been retweeted more than 4,000 times—but there have also been bogus rumors about Ebola reaching Idaho and an unwarranted panic after a passenger became sick on a flight in Newark, N.J

http://time.com/3478452/ebola-twitter/

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

I don't understand because you are being unnecessarily cryptic.

Are you suggesting that the virus would spread more if people are more fearful of it?

Whatever you give intention or attention to ,grows. It maybe an old wives tale but believe me, people in high places take it seriously, hence the question, why inform so many. If you intention was to stop at all cost, you wouldn't be following this line of coverage, just in case. No control benefit in publicity what so ever.

euroboom13

euroboom13 wrote: »

Whatever you give intention or attention to ,grows. It maybe an old wives tale but believe me, people in high places take it seriously, hence the question, why inform so many. If you intention was to stop at all cost, you wouldn't be following this line of coverage, just in case. No control benefit in publicity what so ever.

Could you explain how exactly giving media attention to a virus makes it spread?
What are you basing this conclusion on?

Are you suggesting that the authorities should be covering this all up so that it does not spread more?

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

Could you explain how exactly giving media attention to a virus makes it spread?
What are you basing this conclusion on?

King mob,
If you think ,when you turn on your TV/internet that the page with all the facts, are going to be left open for you to read, and that foolish people are fools, because the don't watch the news. Enjoy your soapbox.

News. .. creates as much as informs.

degrassinoel

euroboom you're not making a lot of sense here, take a step back and see the question, not the poster.

euroboom13

euroboom13 wrote: »

King mob,
If you think ,when you turn on your TV/internet that the page with all the facts, are going to be left open for you to read, and that foolish people are fools, because the don't watch the news. Enjoy your soapbox.

News. .. creates as much as informs.

So could you please explain how?

A virus is not effected by how much it is talked about on the news.
I don't see it could be, so perhaps you could explain how it is?

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

So could you please explain how?

A virus is not effected by how much it is talked about on the news.
I don't see it could be, so perhaps you could explain how it is?

"A virus is not effected by how much it is talked about" the truth.

Didn't see that on the news but very helpful indeed. most watch more intently in future ,where did you find that nugget?

thanks

euroboom13

euroboom13 wrote: »

"A virus is not effected by how much it is talked about" the truth.

Didn't see that on the news but very helpful indeed. most watch more intently in future ,where did you find that nugget?

thanks

I got it from a basic understanding of how viruses and biology work. Media coverage or fear does not make a virus stronger or more virulent.

How do you believe a virus to be effected by it's media coverage?
Please be specific.

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

I got it from a basic understanding of how viruses and biology work. Media coverage or fear does not make a virus stronger or more virulent.

How do you believe a virus to be effected by it's media coverage?
Please be specific.

I have know doubt in your knowledge or your beliefs.(quite the opposite)

.Not everything we learn is 100% fact, and some people go there whole lives quoting facts, that they never considered its validity.

How did you workout that opinion, intention ,feelings ,emotion, reaction have no baring on the patient/population?I am sincerely interested in the subject ,and you seem to have it all figured out ?

euroboom13

euroboom13 wrote: »

I have know doubt in your knowledge or your beliefs.(quite the opposite)

.Not everything we learn is 100% fact, and some people go there whole lives quoting facts, that they never considered its validity.

How did you workout that opinion, intention ,feelings ,emotion, reaction have no baring on the patient/population?I am sincerely interested in the subject ,and you seem to have it all figured out ?

A virus is a tiny little thing that hijacks cells to self replicate. It being reported in the media does not effect it's function.

Could you please clarify what you mean and explain how you think that a virus is effected by it's media presence?

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

A virus is a tiny little thing that hijacks cells to self replicate. It being reported in the media does not effect it's function.

Could you please clarify what you mean and explain how you think that a virus is effected by it's media presence?

I couldn't possibly clarify your beliefs, as for mine, they are sound.

So if a man finds out he has an incurable illness whom everyone believes he has no hope, and another man has the same illness but believes it is curable (and all around him agree). Would it be a shock to you that second man died first?

euroboom13

euroboom13 wrote: »

I couldn't possibly clarify your beliefs, as for mine, they are sound.

I didn't ask you to clarify my beliefs. I asked to clarify what you meant.

euroboom13 wrote: »

So if a man finds out he has an incurable illness whom everyone believes he has no hope, and another man has the same illness but believes it is curable (and all around him agree). Would it be a shock to you that second man died first?

Again, you are being unnecessarily cryptic.

Are you suggesting that the media presence of the virus is making it more deadly?

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

I didn't ask you to clarify my beliefs. I asked to clarify what you meant.


Again, you are being unnecessarily cryptic.

Are you suggesting that the media presence of the virus is making it more deadly?

Hang on there.

Your true FACT
You said(100% truth) that the media presence has no baring on the virus, which is a common enough perception but is it fact?

I believe mind frame is everything to combat illness, but your NOT saying, that's a loony idea, you are saying its an impossibility.

lagar

euroboom13 wrote: »

Hang on there.

Your true FACT
You said(100% truth) that the media presence has no baring on the virus, which is a common enough perception but is it fact?

I believe mind frame is everything to combat illness, but your NOT saying, that's a loony idea, you are saying its an impossibility.

Informed people make better decisions. If you know you may have a possible lethal virus you may go to your doctor earlier and be more cautious about people around you.

Uninformed people would think they have the flu or whatever, and stay at home until it is too late.

euroboom13

euroboom13 wrote: »

Hang on there.

Your true FACT
You said(100% truth) that the media presence has no baring on the virus, which is a common enough perception but is it fact?

I believe mind frame is everything to combat illness, but your NOT saying, that's a loony idea, you are saying its an impossibility.

I said that media presence has no effect on the biological function of the virus, given my understanding of biology.
I thought this was what you were claiming based on your ambiguous posts.

I have not said that any idea is impossible. I have just asked you to clarify your position.
Instead of a direct answer, you have been cryptic and a little patronising.


So again, what impact or effect does the media coverage of ebola have?
Do you believe that it is putting people more at risk? If so, how?

cdoherty86

lagar wrote: »

Informed people make better decisions. If you know you may have a possible lethal virus you may go to your doctor earlier and be more cautious about people around you.

Uninformed people would think they have the flu or whatever, and stay at home until it is too late.

How many people die of Flu every day? In the US CDC estimates ~36k annually. This Ebola story, while killing many people I think is being blown out of proportion. Just more fear mongering if you ask me. There are more people dying of starvation everyday than Ebola.

euroboom13

King Mob wrote: »

I said that media presence has no effect on the biological function of the virus, given my understanding of biology.
I thought this was what you were claiming based on your ambiguous posts.

I have not said that any idea is impossible. I have just asked you to clarify your position.
Instead of a direct answer, you have been cryptic and a little patronising.


So again, what impact or effect does the media coverage of ebola have?
Do you believe that it is putting people more at risk? If so, how?

I believe that fear, has a lot more power than believed.
You are rating it as 0% impact.
You are saying that it is fact that , a virus in the public conscious has no more virility than one that is not. I am trying to get you too see this is not factual but your too full of knowledge and zero wisdom, to open your mind.

Truth is we don't have proof but its in our culture and tradition, that talk gives legs to all problems .If there is 5% truth in this it would be wrong to promote .

degrassinoel

EB, what you're saying is that illnesses like Ebola don't exist until people begin to fear them through media intervention?

If that's the case, myself having crohn's disease and being diagnosed before i knew what it was and and many others with similar and worse conditions/illnesses are living proof that you're wrong mate.

(Edited to include information which if unedited may have led to the belief that i have ebola as well crohn's disease)

lagar

cdoherty86 wrote: »

How many people die of Flu every day? In the US CDC estimates ~36k annually. This Ebola story, while killing many people I think is being blown out of proportion. Just more fear mongering if you ask me. There are more people dying of starvation everyday than Ebola.

If you want to compare, why don't you compare how many people RECOVER from ebola and how many people from flu?

euroboom13

degrassinoel wrote: »

EB, what you're saying is that illnesses like Ebola don't exist until people begin to fear them through media intervention?

If that's the case, myself having crohn's disease and being diagnosed before i knew what it was and and many others with similar and worse conditions/illnesses are living proof that you're wrong mate.

(Edited to include information which if unedited may have led to the belief that i have ebola as well crohn's disease)

Sorry to hear about your condition.

I am only wrong if you can prove there is not 1 person alive whom developed chron`s disease by fear of it.You only pointed out a couple of normal cases, that consciously were not aware of it prior to being told.

(am saying people are more susceptible to highlighted illness)

lagar

euroboom13 wrote: »

Sorry to hear about your condition.

I am only wrong if you can prove there is not 1 person alive whom developed chron`s disease by fear of it.You only pointed out a couple of normal cases, that consciously were not aware of it prior to being told.

So you really think you can get a virus just because you are afraid of it??? When do you come from? The dark ages?

euroboom13

lagar wrote: »

So you really think you can get a virus just because you are afraid of it??? When do you come from? The dark ages?

No I didn't say that but you make your own truth.

degrassinoel

euroboom13 wrote: »

Sorry to hear about your condition.

I am only wrong if you can prove there is not 1 person alive whom developed chron`s disease by fear of it.You only pointed out a couple of normal cases, that consciously were not aware of it prior to being told.

(am saying people are more susceptible to highlighted illness)

Was using myself as an example, but thanks anyway.
I could and probably should have used the black death as an example, no mass media back in those days and it killed a hefty portion of the population of europe.

I'm willing to be open-minded to theories, but this one truly needs more proof if it's going to stand by itself.

Schrödinger's cat is one thing, but this is entirely different and tbh it's quite insulting to say that people only develop an illness because of a fear of illness. You're effectively saying it's psychosomatic, i know before i was diagnosed i was pretty carefree about such things, so on a personal level i have to disagree with you.

degrassinoel

lagar wrote: »

So you really think you can get a virus just because you are afraid of it??? When do you come from? The dark ages?

lagar, read the charter - no personal abuse again please.

euroboom13

degrassinoel wrote: »

Was using myself as an example, but thanks anyway.
I could and probably should have used the black death as an example, no mass media back in those days and it killed a hefty portion of the population of europe.

I'm willing to be open-minded to theories, but this one truly needs more proof if it's going to stand by itself.

Schrödinger's cat is one thing, but this is entirely different and tbh it's quite insulting to say that people only develop an illness because of a fear of illness.

Where is everyone getting that I said you can developed an illness because of the fear of it, I didn't.

What I said was that fear makes you more susceptible to contracting it. It also makes containment more difficult.Fear is the last thing you should add to any containment protocol .

degrassinoel

euroboom13 wrote: »

Where is everyone getting that I said you can developed an illness because of the fear of it, I didn't.

What I said was that fear makes you more susceptible to contracting it. It also makes containment more difficult.Fear is the last thing you should add to any containment protocol .

Glad you've cleared that up, and really glad you weren't saying the other thing lol

euroboom13

Sorry will clarify.

chrons diseases is a condition not a virus and can be replicated through fear/stress, in my opinion.

Ebola, has to have direct contact but I believe you increase peoples susceptibility and severity through fear.

I also believe we are naïve about how powerful fear is. To put it mildly

euroboom13

euroboom13 wrote: »

Sorry will clarify.

chrons diseases is a condition not a virus and can be replicated through fear/stress, in my opinion.

Ebola, has to have direct contact but I believe you increase peoples susceptibility and severity through fear.

I also believe we are naïve about how powerful fear is. To put it mildly

When you say susceptibility do you mean a change in our biological defense mechanisms ?