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Can a pub maintain a ban for life?

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  • #122
    Spirogyra
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭Spirogyra


    yes dignity lost, they don't deserve my E.150 for a cup of tea......never again.....but they won't care....won't loose any more dignity, not even in 20 years :)


  • #123
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Top up the pub owners car with piss


  • #124
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    davo10 wrote: »
    Nope, you were easy to spot. Whenever someone posts in defence of an organisation/industry/group, the simple thinking response is , " oh you must be a representative or you have an agenda etc etc". There is always one, you are the one on this thread.

    Except I you previously said was number two on your utterly insane totally bonkers nutcase list and I hadn't criticised the vintners in this thread. I just posted on how a cafe owner I knew turfed out non payers. Didn't give an opinion on vintners or prices or anything else.

    Basically, like a child, you were going to say that to anybody who asked you were you the vintners associations rep. " Boohoo hoo I knew you would say that".


  • #125
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    Spirogyra wrote: »
    Hi 8 years ago I was guilty of a minor indiscretion, as in I was tipping up my own wine. I never caused trouble. 8 years on it's still being enforced. I suppose they have the right? might seem harsh but legally within their rights?.

    Are you a member of a darts club, or a card-playing club, or do you have any other affiliation with the pub apart from having drank there?


  • #126
    whupdedo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    Spirogyra wrote: »
    yes dignity lost, they don't deserve my E.150 for a cup of tea......never again.....but they won't care....won't loose any more dignity, not even in 20 years :)

    You can live without them op, any business that's small minded enough to refuse someone for a small indiscretion like yours deserves to be out of business, I wouldn't lose any sleep over a scum bag manager refusing your custom


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  • #127
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Spirogyra wrote: »
    yes dignity lost, they don't deserve my E.150 for a cup of tea......never again.....but they won't care....won't loose any more dignity, not even in 20 years :)

    Were you topping up your drink more than once ? just because you were caught once doesn't mean they hadn't seen you doing it previously .

    I knew a guys years ago and he always brought his own sandwiches into the café where we had our tea breaks . the owner knew about it for months and let it go until one day in exasperation he had enough and threw the guy out.


  • #128
    darkpagandeath
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    marienbad wrote: »
    Were you topping up your drink more than once ? just because you were caught once doesn't mean they hadn't seen you doing it previously .

    I knew a guys years ago and he always brought his own sandwiches into the café where we had our tea breaks . the owner knew about it for months and let it go until one day in exasperation he had enough and threw the guy out.

    If you buy a coffee, and eat your sandwich there is nothing the management can do really. you have paid for an item. I used to take kfc into McDonalds as me mate like McDonalds i used to buy a sundae.


  • #129
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,138 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Duracell Bunny wrote: »
    Course they can. Feckin cheapskate.

    I remember being a glass collector in a pub when I was 18. Captain of the local rugby team was standing on the bar, the manager told me to tell him to get down.

    He never even let go of his pint, he just bellyflopped towards me. I never sidestepped so quickly in my life and watched in amusement as he crashed through a table. Even he only got barred for 1 weekend.

    Moral of the story: they musnt like ya.
    Probably because if they banned the rugby club captain, the whole team will go and drink somewhere else. In my experience, pubs let big spenders (like alcos that spend their entire wages there) away with a hell of a lot more than the person that goes down for a couple of pints every month.


  • #130
    Dyr
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    If you're lucky OP they might let your kids drink there when they're old enough, although they'll always check their bags.


  • #131
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    If you buy a coffee, and eat your sandwich there is nothing the management can do really. you have paid for an item. I used to take kfc into McDonalds as me mate like McDonalds i used to buy a sundae.
    Whoever told you that is wrong.

    People who purchase food in McDonalds are licencees of McDonalds and they use the premises under an implied set of conditions. An obvious condition would be that the person does not engage in activities which could put the enterprise out of business by damaging sales or using the premises to advertise for its competitors.


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  • #132
    Cerveja69
    Site Banned Posts: 65 ✭✭Cerveja69


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    When I ran a pub, barred meant barred for life. No exceptions.

    You're so cool.


  • #133
    Senna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    In the OP cases, I'm guessing there is more to this than you are saying, there maybe another reason for the ban which you don't even reaslise. Did you do anything else "wrong" in the pub, something you don't think the management know about?

    Always amazes me how many people don't reaslise that although you might have had a few drinks, the staff are (usually) stone cold sober and see a lot of things you don't realise.

    Bringing your own drink into any pub is about as scummy as it gets, but completely typical of a select few. They want to be in the pub but don't have the brain power to work out that the pub is a business who sell drinks to pay for the building, music, tv etc etc.


  • #134
    Pedro K
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    AngeGal wrote: »
    You seem to have moved a little back from your claim that pubs are making money 'hand over fist'.

    All I can tell you is I have family working in different bars in Galway City, all of which would be considered busy bars, they often tell me about mondays/tuesdays/wednesdays where the pub only takes in 400/500 euro, sure that wouldn't cover the staff for the day, let alone other costs. Thursdays and Sundays tend to be better but not 'busy' and Fridays and Saturdays are usually very busy obviously.

    I outlined some of the costs in my last post and I am sure if you googled you could get a more accurate breakdown than that so the notion that pubs are making money 'hand over fist' is entirely untrue with maybe the very odd exception being somewhere like the quays in galway that has a good crowd every night basically. Maybe it was true twenty years up to the end of the Celtic Tiger but definitely no longer the case.

    I wouldn't call it scummy to sneak drink in if it was an immature student (i'm sure some of my own did it!) but anyone beyond the age of 21 really shouldnt be at it.

    I think pretty much all pubs will need to adapt to survive these times whether it's through starting to do food or coming up with innovative ways to increase revenue. It's not just less disposable income, people are living a healthier lifestyle these days (which is great) than my generation where people would go for pints three or fours night a week in many cases.

    Anyway I'm off to do my bit to keep the local alive so have a good night.

    If the part in bold is the case, then the bar is dreadfully overstaffed and being managed poorly.

    I work part time in a bar in a members club in Dublin and would work a Friday, Saturday or Sunday night by myself and take in over €1000 on each of them. Thursdays would average around the €400-500 mark.

    But it's still always only one barman unless we're expecting a big crowd for a party or something.


  • #135
    Jesus Wept
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    AngeGal wrote: »
    Lol at the ridiculous nonsense being posted in this thread.

    Worked in three different pubs for years when I was younger, never saw anything being poured into a Smirnoff bottle or any bottle for that mater, sons have worked in different pubs throughout college and never saw it either.

    Your anecdotal evidence means zero.


  • #136
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    After years and years of watching publicans rip people off and constantly pissing and moaning through their repellant lobby groups, I find it impossible to have sympathy for them in any context.
    I view them in the same vain as solicitors, politicians and estate agents; professional bottom feeders and rip-off merchants.


  • #137
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    After years and years of watching publicans rip people off and constantly pissing and moaning through their repellant lobby groups, I find it impossible to have sympathy for them in any context.
    I view them in the same vain as solicitors, politicians and estate agents; professional bottom feeders and rip-off merchants.

    I don't think anyone here is asking you to sympathise with publicans, it's a binary decision on whether you want to hand over your money or not. But you can't have it both ways, use the pub but drink your own beverage, then wonder why you get a ban when caught. I couldn't care less about whether the pub makes a profit or not, but like most, I recognise the fact that they are there to sell beverages, not to provide a place for you to scummily sneak your own drink in under the table. Drink at home if you want to do that.


  • #138
    Renegade Mechanic
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    Ah Jesus, OP to hell with them its just one pub ffs. This is Ireland, just go next door..

    Myself? Id make a highly amusing game out of this. Involving waiting and disguises :D


  • #139
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    davo10 wrote: »
    I don't think anyone here is asking you to sympathise with publicans, it's a binary decision on whether you want to hand over your money or not. But you can't have it both ways, use the pub but drink your own beverage, then wonder why you get a ban when caught. I couldn't care less about whether the pub makes a profit or not, but like most, I recognise the fact that they are there to sell beverages, not to provide a place for you to scummily sneak your own drink in under the table. Drink at home if you want to do that.
    I mostly do drink at home. Thousands of pubs have closed due to their inability to change with the times and their unwillingness to reduce their prices. Good enough for them. And if someone gets barred for carrying in their own booze thats absolutely fair enough.


  • #140
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    OP if you were to go in bold as brass with 8 or 9 pals and they start steaming into the rounds, I'll lay odds that nothing will be said.


  • #141
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    Buona Fortuna wrote: »
    OP if you were to go in bold as brass with 8 or 9 pals and they start steaming into the rounds, I'll lay odds that nothing will be said.

    I'm not so sure. There are three important points in OPs posts.
    1. She got caught topping up her glass with wine she brought in.
    2. She got a ban.
    3. She is still banned 8 years later.

    One and two are no brainers, but to be remembered 8 years later, never mind banned, there must have been issues before or after this incident. Also if OP was 18 and got caught, then it's likely the owner would have told her to cop on before she comes in the next time, if she was 28, then there is more to this story for him to still be so determined to keep her out of his pub.


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  • #142
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    davo10 wrote: »
    I'm not so sure. There are three important points in OPs posts.
    1. She got caught topping up her glass with wine she brought in.
    2. She got a ban.
    3. She is still banned 8 years later.

    One and two are no brainers, but to be remembered 8 years later, never mind banned, there must have been issues before or after this incident. Also if OP was 18 and got caught, then it's likely the owner would have told her to cop on before she comes in the next time, if she was 28, then there is more to this story for him to still be so determined to keep her out of his pub.

    Maybe baby, but I'd still give you odds that the publican / manager won't turn away 8 or 9 "good" customers. I think I'm on a good bet - but there's only one sure way to find out :)


  • #143
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    Buona Fortuna wrote: »
    Maybe baby, but I'd still give you odds that the publican / manager won't turn away 8 or 9 "good" customers. I think I'm on a good bet - but there's only one sure way to find out :)

    Money talks but after 8 years, if he is still putting her out the door, he's got it bad for her and besides which, it might be embarrassing if she was turned away in front of her friends.


  • #144
    Macavity.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Macavity.


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  • #145
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    It isn't an issue of "scumminess." I thought the publican was responsible for all drink consumed on the premises? This would include those who sneak in their own...


  • #146
    davo10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    It isn't an issue of "scumminess." I thought the publican was responsible for all drink consumed on the premises? This would include those who sneak in their own...

    Responsible in what way?


  • #147
    2 stroke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭2 stroke


    I was barred from a pub nearly 30 years ago, the place has changed ownership twice since but I've never tried to go back, I dont visit the pub they run now either. Plenty of other watering holes around.


  • #148
    darkpagandeath
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    conorh91 wrote: »
    Whoever told you that is wrong.

    People who purchase food in McDonalds are licencees of McDonalds and they use the premises under an implied set of conditions. An obvious condition would be that the person does not engage in activities which could put the enterprise out of business by damaging sales or using the premises to advertise for its competitors.

    What has that got to do with eating competitors food ? I was/am a paying customer. I did it for years. I was told nothing, spouting a load of licence this and that. Does not change the fact that I purchased a product from them to consume on the premises. Using your logic if a person came in from McDonalds with their uniform on as they prefer kfc they would be booted out....


  • #149
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    What has that got to do with eating competitors food ? I was/am a paying customer. I did it for years. I was told nothing
    They were just being friendly or pragmatic.

    They would have been within their rights to ask you to leave.
    Using your logic if a person came in from McDonalds with their uniform on as they prefer kfc they would be booted out....
    That would be a matter for the management to deicide. I'm not sure why you think it would be against the law.


  • #150
    AngeGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭AngeGal


    i heart chewy louie wrote: »
    Your anecdotal evidence means zero.

    As opposed to the other anecdotal evidence in this thread??? At least my experience is first hand rather than 'sure everyone knows it going on'.

    Pedro K wrote: »
    If the part in bold is the case, then the bar is dreadfully overstaffed and being managed poorly.

    I work part time in a bar in a members club in Dublin and would work a Friday, Saturday or Sunday night by myself and take in over €1000 on each of them. Thursdays would average around the €400-500 mark.

    But it's still always only one barman unless we're expecting a big crowd for a party or something.

    How do you figure that? Need to pay two people for the day, something like 11am-6pm and 6-1am. Thirteen hours x 10/11 euro an hour = 140 euroish. 400 euro takings, how much profit?


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  • #151
    AngeGal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭AngeGal


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    True but that's always been the way, only so many alchos that don't work. Most trade that keeps them going and hugely profitable is over the weekend.

    It wasn't really though. Commonplace twenty years for people to go for a few a few nights a week, much more so rather than these days.


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