Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Ron DMC · 07-08-2014 10:17am

Larbre34 wrote: »

I never thought Id say it, but get Wetherspoons in there quick!

Agreed, their arrival in Blackrock has spurred the rest of the village into life in their need to compete.

Not a huge fan of the lack of atmosphere in the place myself, but can't fault their selection of beers and prices.

CatFromHue · 07-08-2014 3:40pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Pity, quite liked it for the occasional sneaky pint.

I think so many of the pubs in the town being in the hands of one certain licence holder has been a bad thing as they all deteriorated.

I never thought Id say it, but get Wetherspoons in there quick!

I always felt Walters was just too loud so never went there.

Saint Sonner · 12-08-2014 10:13am

Anyone recommend a nice restaurant in the area tonight - nothing too fancy but something nice enough. We'll have fish lovers and steak lovers there.

Kingp35 · 12-08-2014 10:17am

You can't beat Toscanas on the sea front.

www.toscana.ie

Saint Sonner · 12-08-2014 10:28am

Kingp35 wrote: »

You can't beat Toscanas on the sea front.

www.toscana.ie

Thanks

Looks good - maybe on the limits of our price range!

josip · 12-08-2014 10:59am

I suppose Hartleys is outside the range then?

Saint Sonner · 12-08-2014 11:12am

josip wrote: »

I suppose Hartleys is outside the range then?

Yeah - bit on the fancy side possibly too. Maybe I should go to a different area altogether. lol

frash · 12-08-2014 11:23am

http://www.oliveto.ie/

Ask for a table by the window - overlooks the East pier

Great pizzas but just checked & they do fish & steak too.

Fratton Fred · 12-08-2014 11:24am

You could try the Purty Kitchen.

Gareth Keenan · 12-08-2014 11:28am

how about Weafer and Cooper in Glasthule?

josip · 12-08-2014 11:43am

frash wrote: »

http://www.oliveto.ie/

Ask for a table by the window - overlooks the East pier

Great pizzas but just checked & they do fish & steak too.

I used to go to the Kingston a lot for lunch, especially for the view you mention.
But I find Oliveto's pricey for lunch, considering the decor.
Is it better value in the evening?

frash · 12-08-2014 11:45am

josip wrote: »

I used to go to the Kingston a lot for lunch, especially for the view you mention.
But I find Oliveto's pricey for lunch, considering the decor.
Is it better value in the evening?

Lunch menu
Dinner menu
Will let you decide.

I only ever go for an early bird with the kids & we always just get pizza.

Glenalla · 12-08-2014 4:45pm

Shouldnt that be KILMORE Quay cod on the menu or is there a KYLEMORE Quay?

Chinasea · 12-08-2014 7:24pm

Glenalla wrote: »

Shouldnt that be KILMORE Quay cod on the menu or is there a KYLEMORE Quay?

Last week specials included "Muscles"!

Glenalla · 14-08-2014 10:31am

Hi all, moved here (Killiney) last year and looked forward to spending time back in Dunlaoghaire (used to live here 10 years ago for a while).
Unfortunately due to the draconian parking enforcement and lack of proper organisation regarding the rates applied to parking, (should have a smaller amount for the first hour or two and then increases should apply to encourage short shopping trips and discourage all day parking in front of shops), I have now decided to avoid the area and shop at Stillorgan, Killiney Shopping Centre, Rushes Dalkey and Carrickmines instead, all of which have ample parking.
It is unfortunate DLR Coco cant see what they are doing to an already quite run down area by not adjusting the parking fees to suit short trips. This area needs local shoppers and could be fantastic. Forget bringing cruise ships in and whatever, get the locals to support Dunlaoghaire which will be year round trade, a much easier and achievable solution than tourism attraction.
As I stated I am new back to the area and may have got the picture wrong so what are everyones opinions on this.
Thanks

Larbre34 · 14-08-2014 12:20pm

Parking in DL has been done to death in this and other threads. Your opinion seems to be essentially the prevailing one.

If you are living in Killiney, then your local Councillors are on DLR Council and have a role in setting the Parking regime. Perhaps tell them what you posted, but the argument of charging on street against private commercial premises that have the space to allow free customer parking has been well rehearsed.

Chinasea · 14-08-2014 6:44pm

Glenalla wrote: »

Hi all, moved here (Killiney) last year and looked forward to spending time back in Dunlaoghaire (used to live here 10 years ago for a while).
Unfortunately due to the draconian parking enforcement and lack of proper organisation

Killiney to Dun Laogharie is a mere 4 km. You could WALK, or gawd forbid CYCLE, run or use public transport

Just to remind you, we have the fastest growing population in Europe and everyone and their multiple off springs wants to drive. Something has to give.

I am tired of listening to people complaining about parking charges in Dun Laoghaire.

davej · 16-08-2014 10:12pm

Glenalla wrote: »

Hi all, moved here (Killiney) last year and looked forward to spending time back in Dunlaoghaire (used to live here 10 years ago for a while).
Unfortunately due to the draconian parking enforcement and lack of proper organisation regarding the rates applied to parking, (should have a smaller amount for the first hour or two and then increases should apply to encourage short shopping trips and discourage all day parking in front of shops), I have now decided to avoid the area and shop at Stillorgan, Killiney Shopping Centre, Rushes Dalkey and Carrickmines instead, all of which have ample parking.
It is unfortunate DLR Coco cant see what they are doing to an already quite run down area by not adjusting the parking fees to suit short trips. This area needs local shoppers and could be fantastic. Forget bringing cruise ships in and whatever, get the locals to support Dunlaoghaire which will be year round trade, a much easier and achievable solution than tourism attraction.
As I stated I am new back to the area and may have got the picture wrong so what are everyones opinions on this.
Thanks

All you seem to want to do is go to a mid sized supervalu type supermarket (Killiney Sc, Rushes) or a soulless retail park off the M50?.

You can park in Bloomfields shopping centre and avail of the 2 hour free parking if you spend EUR30 at Tesco. Then you could avail yourself of the likes of Hick's and Lambe's for fresh meat/fish and White Tea or the Silver Moon for lunch/tea.
Parking is free on Sunday when you could head to the Peoples' Park market (run by DL COCO by the way).

davej

Middle Man · 18-08-2014 7:43pm

Chinasea wrote: »

Killiney to Dun Laogharie is a mere 4 km. You could WALK, or gawd forbid CYCLE, run or use public transport

Just to remind you, we have the fastest growing population in Europe and everyone and their multiple off springs wants to drive. Something has to give.

I am tired of listening to people complaining about parking charges in Dun Laoghaire.

That's all very fine if you're fit and able and have to time to do that trip regularly. Also, 4km in rain can't be too pleasant can it? Also, what about if you have children??? Did you think about that or are you just 'survival of the fittest'?

BTW, I frequently drive around with people who happen to have mobility issues - what about them - do you expect them to walk of cycle 4km???

Middle Man · 18-08-2014 7:48pm

davej wrote: »

All you seem to want to do is go to a mid sized supervalu type supermarket (Killiney Sc, Rushes) or a soulless retail park off the M50?. <snip>

Did you read the bloody post mate??? :mad:

Does it look as if Glenalla has no interest in going to Dun Laoghaire???

ted1 · 18-08-2014 7:56pm

Depending on where in killiney you live it might be cheaper to pay the parking in Dun laoighre than pay for petrol to go to stillorgan or carrickmines.

LXFlyer · 19-08-2014 12:39pm

Middle Man wrote: »

That's all very fine if you're fit and able and have to time to do that trip regularly. Also, 4km in rain can't be too pleasant can it? Also, what about if you have children??? Did you think about that or are you just 'survival of the fittest'?

BTW, I frequently drive around with people who happen to have mobility issues - what about them - do you expect them to walk of cycle 4km???

There is the DART and the 59 bus also.

Glenalla · 19-08-2014 5:37pm

Chinasea wrote: »

Killiney to Dun Laogharie is a mere 4 km. You could WALK, or gawd forbid CYCLE, run or use public transport

Just to remind you, we have the fastest growing population in Europe and everyone and their multiple off springs wants to drive. Something has to give.

I am tired of listening to people complaining about parking charges in Dun Laoghaire.

Hi Chinasea

I totally agree with you regarding walking, I love it and spend most weekends hill walking in the Wicklow mountains or the Mournes regularly covering between 8 - 15 K in a day. I walk Killiney beach most evenings with my dog. I often have deliveries of 30kg or more to do in shops in Dunlaoghaire for which the loading bays are great. I try to tie in deliveries with my shopping for business and the house and often have lots to carry home and this is where it would have been great to have better parking in Dunlaoghaire. I was unaware of the free parking in return for €30 spend in Tescos as I dont shop there and would prefer the time to spend visiting local outlets on and off the main street with the convenience of dropping things back at the car whilst shopping.
I do try and shop at Cosgroves butchers in Bally Brack and Fenlons butcher in Stillorgan as I am not a fan of large supermarkets, however they are convenient sometimes if time is at a premium, ie: working against a parking meter.
Unfortunately with having to cart large shopping bags home the bus or dart sometimes are not convenient either. I do use the dart when possible if taking my kids for a walk on Dunlaoghaire pier which they love or if I am going out for the evening to Dalkey, Dunlaoghaire or Monkstown.
Thanks

Aard · 19-08-2014 5:45pm

In fairness, most of Killiney is on a hill and is low-density (shout out to DLR's 0/0 zoning $:\$ ). It's not going to be able to sustain a large supermarket on its own. Travel to other centres will become a necessity. Regarding DL needing "local shoppers" -- I completely agree, but I would not classify Killiney as local.

Chinasea · 19-08-2014 7:35pm

Middle Man wrote: »

That's all very fine if you're fit and able and have to time to do that trip regularly. Also, 4km in rain can't be too pleasant can it? Also, what about if you have children??? Did you think about that or are you just 'survival of the fittest'?

BTW, I frequently drive around with people who happen to have mobility issues - what about them - do you expect them to walk of cycle 4km???

Most people are able. Most children are fit and able.

Re rain: Fact: The actual probability of cyclists who commute on
a daily basis getting wet is very low and that the perceptions of both car commuters and cyclists alike regarding the probability of getting wet is unduly pessimistic

http://dublinbikeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/WeatherandCyclinginDublin.pdf

LXFlyer · 19-08-2014 7:39pm

There are Killiney and Ballybrack Shopping Centres which are much closer to Killiney with free parking.

ted1 · 19-08-2014 7:44pm

lxflyer wrote: »

There is the DART and the 59 bus also.

Its cheaper to park. Especially if there's kids with you

Kingp35 · 20-08-2014 8:44am

Chinasea wrote: »

Re rain: Fact: The actual probability of cyclists who commute on
a daily basis getting wet is very low and that the perceptions of both car commuters and cyclists alike regarding the probability of getting wet is unduly pessimistic

http://dublinbikeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/WeatherandCyclinginDublin.pdf

I cycle to from Dun Laoghaire to the City Centre everyday for work and I get soaked on a fairly regular basis in the winter time and road conditions are often terrible with lose gravel, pot holes etc on the roads. It doesn't stop me from cycling but I can definitely understand why others wouldn't like doing it.

Seaswimmer · 20-08-2014 11:05am

Kingp35 wrote: »

I cycle to from Dun Laoghaire to the City Centre everyday for work and I get soaked on a fairly regular basis in the winter time and road conditions are often terrible with lose gravel, pot holes etc on the roads. It doesn't stop me from cycling but I can definitely understand why others wouldn't like doing it.

I do a similar route but I would say I rarely get soaked and apart from a couple of sections I find the roads to be generally good. I will admit they are worse in the winter.

In our current climate you are as likely to get wet in summer as in winter but I have gone weeks in all seasons without ever taking my rain jacket out.

Chinasea · 20-08-2014 6:58pm

Kingp35 wrote: »

I cycle to from Dun Laoghaire to the City Centre everyday for work and I get soaked on a fairly regular basis in the winter time it.

I don't though. I actually kept a record over the last few years and for 2014: there were 2 days early on in the summer this year I didn't cycle because of the rain and a mere 2 in January and that was it!

CatFromHue · 21-08-2014 12:16am

Chinasea wrote: »

I don't though. I actually kept a record over the last few years and for 2014: there were 2 days early on in the summer this year I didn't cycle because of the rain and a mere 2 in January and that was it!

My experiences would have been roughly the same, maybe a bit higher but not by much.

Chinasea · 23-08-2014 2:21pm

Ironically the anti parking charges lobby group keep putting signs up in a shop on George's Street giving out about parking charges etc. Shame they don't get a bucket of water and a sweeping brush and clean up the shop front, it is total squalor, enough to put anyone off.

Tragedy · 31-08-2014 2:29am

Chinasea wrote: »

I don't though. I actually kept a record over the last few years and for 2014: there were 2 days early on in the summer this year I didn't cycle because of the rain and a mere 2 in January and that was it!

Strange that we had the wettest winter in recorded history, with an average of 50-80 wet days around the country.

Confirmation bias is a wonderful thing.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0303/507963-weather/

Chinasea · 31-08-2014 10:30am

Tragedy wrote: »

Strange that we had the wettest winter in recorded history, with an average of 50-80 wet days around the country.

Confirmation bias is a wonderful thing.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0303/507963-weather/

Not sure what your point is tbh. But I didn't read that it rained constantly for day and night...

ps: Global warming is just a myth!

pps: Elvis is alive and living in Carlow!

Tragedy · 31-08-2014 5:02pm

Chinasea wrote: »

Not sure what your point is tbh. But I didn't read that it rained constantly for day and night...

ps: Global warming is just a myth!

pps: Elvis is alive and living in Carlow!

Pretty obvious what the point is and it has been pretty obvious what you have been implying so far. 'i have a subjective experience that I'm going to use to support the argument that weather isn't a significant factor in cycling in south dublin'

Sorry reality is inconvenient to you,

Regards

Chinasea · 01-09-2014 1:42pm

Tragedy wrote: »

Pretty obvious what the point is and it has been pretty obvious what you have been implying so far. 'i have a subjective experience that I'm going to use to support the argument that weather isn't a significant factor in cycling in south dublin'

Sorry reality is inconvenient to you,

Regards

Odd.

strandroad · 01-09-2014 1:45pm

I'm not sure what people are expecting with regard to parking rules in DL? On street parking is full on weekends anyway, making it cheaper wouldn't help. Private parking (Bloomfields etc) could be cheaper and there's normally plenty of space but I don't think the council can do anything about private pricing?

Aard · 01-09-2014 7:11pm

To me it seems as though people perceive there are two problems: 1) Dun Laoghaire's retail prowess is in decline, and 2) longterm parking is more expensive than in Dundrum/Carrickmines/etc. These two issues exist, and they're pretty factually correct. But then some people conflate the two problems, by saying that one is leading to the other. That more expensive parking is leading to retail decline. And then some think that the two birds can be killed with the one stone of cheaper parking.

If people want cheaper parking for the single reason of personal convenience then why not just come out and say it? Trying to justify one's personal desire by linking it to potentially turning around the economy of a town is a little grandiose imho.

Larbre34 · 02-09-2014 3:32pm

I think its how the parking makes you feel...

If you park in Dundrum Centre with the intention to stay around 3 hours and end up staying 4 hours, it costs you an extra quid or two.

If you overstay by an hour on the street in Dun Laoghaire, it costs you an extra 40....

frash · 02-09-2014 3:35pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I think its how the parking makes you feel...

If you park in Dundrum Centre with the intention to stay around 3 hours and end up staying 4 hours, it costs you an extra quid or two.

If you overstay by an hour on the street in Dun Laoghaire, it costs you an extra 40....

I think the park by text thing is perfect for situations like this.
Running late - just send a text & parking is paid.
No running up to the other end of the town.

The parking thing has never stopped me going to DL when I need something.

Larbre34 · 02-09-2014 3:46pm

frash wrote: »

I think the park by text thing is perfect for situations like this.
Running late - just send a text & parking is paid.
No running up to the other end of the town.

The parking thing has never stopped me going to DL when I need something.

No me neither and I would use park by text etc. But the fact is you cant pay for longer than the 3 hour limit on most of the streets near the town centre and for an area with a relatively aged population, park by text or app are alien concepts for lots of folk to deal with.

strandroad · 02-09-2014 3:47pm

Yeah, just wanted to say park by text too...

One can also park in any of the private parking places, you pay when you're back then. Now how much are they in comparison to Dundrum, I can't recall? Are they significantly more expensive?

I never felt parking is a problem either but it might be just a combination of shops/services I visit and their locations.

the groutch · 02-09-2014 6:50pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I think its how the parking makes you feel...

If you park in Dundrum Centre with the intention to stay around 3 hours and end up staying 4 hours, it costs you an extra quid or two.

If you overstay by an hour on the street in Dun Laoghaire, it costs you an extra 40....

that's a ridiculous analogy, as it could easily be reversed by comparing on-street parking in Dundrum with parking in the Bloomfields/old SC car parks.

Larbre34 · 03-09-2014 9:52am

the groutch wrote: »

that's a ridiculous analogy, as it could easily be reversed by comparing on-street parking in Dundrum with parking in the Bloomfields/old SC car parks.

It isn't ridiculous at all, in fact its the direct comparison being made for the last 8 years by the various business rep groups as to why Dun Laoghaire is dying as regards retail. The reason is the majority of the most economical available parking in Dundrum is in the Centre and the majority in Dun Laoghaire is on street. The private car parks in Dun Laoghaire dont offer the same kind of value as Dundrum Centre, in reality they are prohibitively expensive.

Fratton Fred · 23-09-2014 1:22pm

I thought this may be of interest. This is my old town in England. It is similar in size to Dun Laoghaire and faces many similar issues.

www.rbwm.gov.uk/web/prom.htm

Tabnabs · 23-09-2014 2:17pm

Sounds like DL too, the revamp plan was to cost £150m in 2012 and in 2014, it'll set them back £250m...

Larbre34 · 23-09-2014 3:01pm

Ah no, no more revamps please. One of the more recent ones got us those damn cobblestones. We'll have revamps on our revamps if we don't stop throwing capital at Dun Laoghaire. Capital is not the problem.

Fratton Fred · 23-09-2014 4:43pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

Sounds like DL too, the revamp plan was to cost £150m in 2012 and in 2014, it'll set them back £250m...

It's a partnership thing, so the council isn't forking out £250m. The plans have increased enormously as well.

It would be nice to see DLRCOCO come up with a similar vision, if Maidenhead can, there's no reason why DL can't. They really are very similar towns.

marty_crane · 23-09-2014 11:26pm

I'll be honest with you Fred, with your username I presumed you were from Portsmouth

Fratton Fred · 24-09-2014 9:49am

marty_crane wrote: »

I'll be honest with you Fred, with your username I presumed you were from Portsmouth

I am originally (well, Portchester to be precise). Moved away from there when I was a teenager.

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