Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

From a humanity point of view? Yes.

From a Zionist point of view? No

I'm surprised you're so shocked though? I mean wasn't it you that said.....

Yes, but you're not stating a truth. You're just putting words together that suit your agenda

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

There's really no need for pro-Palestinian posters to resort to personal sniping. We have the moral high ground as it is.

That depends on what type of pro-Palestinian supporter you are. I know a few people who fill Facebook now with photos of dead children. What a great, nuanced argument that is.

speedboatchase wrote: »

That depends on what type of pro-Palestinian supporter you are. I know a few people who fill Facebook now with photos of dead children. What a great, nuanced argument that is.

Who killed all the dead children in the photos?

much more of a humane way to go, to be bread out of existence than shelled out of existence, just my view though.

RustyNut wrote: »

Who killed all the dead children in the photos?

Who knows?

Contributor 2013 wrote: »

So a country expanding is the same as the shelling that's going on now...

Okiedokie. Glad we got that cleared up.

It's not, it's simply a slower road towards the same conclusion.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The theft of NI happened several centuries before the end of the conflict. The theft of the West Bank and East Jerusalem began 47 years ago and is ongoing, involving many millions of people still living today.

Which means there are 2-3 generations of Israelis (probably a majority) who've known no other home but Israel, and likewise 2-3 generations of Palestinians who've never lived on the land you claim was stolen from them.

What's the statute of limitations on this? Why should an Israeli child be forced to give up their home because their great-grandfather obtained it illegitimately?

Contributor 2013 wrote: »

Palestinians should just lay down their weapons and surrender. It's the only way to save young Palestinian lives.

Actually, there are other ways, you just do not want to consider them

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Actually, there are other ways, you just do not want to consider them

So they should keep their weapons and fight on?

fedor.2. wrote: »

Yes, but you're not stating a truth. You're just putting words together that suit your agenda

Truth? I have provided updates and links quite regularly in regard to the truth. And can you figure out what that truth is? No? It was the daily, undeniable and unadulterated slaughter by a hi-tech army against the innocent and the defenseless. An army that has no regard for human Rights or the Geneva Convention? So are you going to try and deny that palpable truth?

Unlike some who have 'contributed' to this thread, I have been consistently and genuinely supported the civilians of Gaza and the side of humanity. I have stood up for and expressed my deep admiration for the true practitioners of Judaism. Whilst condemning the actions of a State that has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with a hate filled ideology. Now if you bothered your arse to read my posts, you would see that and hopefully learn something.

But let me remind you, you directed this provocative nonsense at posters here.....

fedor.2. wrote: »

Will there be hospitals and schools for the pro hamas people to hide in

So do you think the slaughter in Gaza is a game? Do you think it's fun when civilians are deliberately targeted in schools and hospitals? Do you think the UN is a legitimate target? Do you think an Operating Theatre, ICU unit or an ambulance is a legitimate target because a Hamas member is near?

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

And children for the pro hamas to hide behind.

But how could they, when the IDF has already massacred the Children?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the point I was making there and you come back with faux outrage. But let's all swallow the pro-Zionist line for a moment and say every man, woman and child was used as human shields by Hamas. I think most rationale people here would utterly condemn and deplore that.

But here's what the pro-Zionist apologists can't explain. How is it possible to ever justify the killing of innocent men, women and children? No level of humanity should ever be able to justify that. Unless however, you subscribe to a hate filled political ideology like Zionism. What kind of savages would murder the innocent to take out one legitimate target or a weapons stash? But an even more disturbing question is? What kind of people would even try and defend such savagery?

speedboatchase wrote: »

Every single rocket from Hamas is indiscriminately used to kill innocent men, women and children. Israel is dealing with a nihilistic enemy in a densely packed urban areas that uses its people to defend its weapon - they can try to discriminately target areas, which I believe they are doing, but there will always be casualties. The alternative for Israel, however, is to not fire at all and allow Hamas to continue firing rockets at its population.

Ideally Hamas would realise that its rockets are incredibly useless wastes of money that could better spent after building an economy in Gaza. But if they fire rockets, they will receive retaliation.

It is tragic that innocent lives have been lost in Gaza and there have been some truly heartbreaking incidents. But please, articulate for me how a nation should respond to rockets being fired in a manner that won't result in any collateral damage whatsoever? It's very, very, very difficult.

What I want is for both sides to leave each other alone - no more settlement building from Israel and no more rockets from Hamas.

Mental gymnastics that amounts to justifying slaughtering innocents

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Mental gymnastics that amounts to justifying slaughtering innocents

What exactly does Hamas do?

fedor.2. wrote: »

What exactly does Hamas do?

As in mental gymnastics? Probably the same as Israel