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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #2912
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Buh? So if children are being wantonly slaughtered we shouldn't be against it?


    Of course you should be against it, you should be against it everywhere it happens.


  • #2913
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    I think the Pro Hamas and Pro Israelis on this thread should meet up for a paintball session. Winner takes all. :)


  • #2914
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,328 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Of course you should be against it, you should be against it everywhere it happens.

    Well thats picking a side then, Israel are doing exactly that


  • #2915
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Kertrada wrote: »
    I think the Pro Hamas and Pro Israelis on this thread should meet up for a paintball session. Winner takes all. :)

    Will there be hospitals and schools for the pro hamas people to hide in


  • #2916
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    I'd lie for peace

    And War apparently.
    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Will there be hospitals and schools for the pro hamas people to hide in


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  • #2917
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    You shouldn't really be pro any side, if you hope for a solution. America has a role, albeit a minor one, in all this, so hopefully they can help bring the two sides together and find a solution. Sometimes, I forget how lucky we are to have America on our side and available to help in these matters
    fedor.2. wrote: »
    You shouldn't really be pro any side, if you hope for a solution. America has a role, albeit a minor one, in all this, so hopefully they can help bring the two sides together and find a solution. Sometimes, I forget how lucky we are to have America on our side and available to help in these matters

    Help you say? help like protecting you from being prosecuted for war crimes and breaches of international law that sort of help. right now the Americans are pushing the world toward nuclear war with Russia and some of the oblivious masses are cheering them along blissfully unaware of the potential consequence. because they are the defenders of what's right and moral and Putin and Russia are evil. yet they turn a blind eye and resupply the IDF butchering machine to slaughter women and children. phuck them. and their bullsh1t "help". you talk of not being pro one or the other yet refer to your side as "our" how does that work..


  • #2918
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    Please do not be fooled by this talk of Peace Negotiations.Israel has no interest in peace and this rhetoric about being concerned about all human life but failing to condemn outright the obvious slaughter is only a tactic being
    employed by apologists for genocide.There is no sincerity behind their words. They all use the same formula in their discussions.

    They want Gazas gas and the palestines slaughtered to get it. Shameful.


  • #2919
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Will there be hospitals and schools for the pro hamas people to hide in

    Ok, but the Israeli paintballers will be given tanks to even it up. It'll be bodycount Vs PR :)


  • #2920
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    You actually couldnt make it up could you. "We stand for compassion" as they rain bombs on defenceless people they have kept beaten down for decades. The hypocrisy is so stark it is almost too difficult to get your head around. Whatever comes to Netanyahu is far far too good for him.

    No you couldn't. There's a deceptive slyness to that Bibi chap and personally I believe he's a bit of a sociopath. We want to help you but first we must bomb you back to the stone age. the level of bull sh1t is staggering.


  • #2921
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    You shouldn't really be pro any side, if you hope for a solution.

    How so? I hope for a solution, and specifically one which involves Palestinians who have had their lands illegally confiscated in the last 50 years returning to them. I'm pro-Palestinian in that I fundamentally believe that the root of this conflict is in the theft of property, and that the return of stolen goods is essential to a good outcome.
    America has a role, albeit a minor one, in all this, so hopefully they can help bring the two sides together and find a solution.

    America's role is far from minor. Without their outrageous shielding of Israel from the international community, Israel would be in no position to commit war crimes and would be forced to obey previous resolutions regarding the 1967 border pretty quickly. Amerca's double standards and hypocrisy with regard to this conflict is the number one reason I oppose the Israeli side.
    Sometimes, I forget how lucky we are to have America on our side and available to help in these matters

    I was about to post Eduard Khil, but I posted him a few pages back. :p


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  • #2922
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    How so? I hope for a solution, and specifically one which involves Palestinians who have had their lands illegally confiscated in the last 50 years returning to them. I'm pro-Palestinian in that I fundamentally believe that the root of this conflict is in the theft of property, and that the return of stolen goods is essential to a good outcome.

    The theft claim didn't bring peace to NI


  • #2923
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Will there be hospitals and schools for the pro hamas people to hide in

    And children for the pro hamas to hide behind.


  • #2924
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,605 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    You shouldn't really be pro any side, if you hope for a solution. America has a role, albeit a minor one, in all this, so hopefully they can help bring the two sides together and find a solution. Sometimes, I forget how lucky we are to have America on our side and available to help in these matters

    lol.. are you actually for real or just on an extended wind-up?

    What exactly has the US ever done to help bring the two sides together?


  • #2925
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Will there be hospitals and schools for the pro hamas people to hide in

    Oh dear, it looks like the veil is slipping there. For a moment, I mistakenly thought Mark Regev posted that.


  • #2926
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Kertrada wrote: »
    The theft claim didn't bring peace to NI

    The theft of NI happened several centuries before the end of the conflict. The theft of the West Bank and East Jerusalem began 47 years ago and is ongoing, involving many millions of people still living today.


  • #2927
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    And children for the pro hamas to hide behind.

    But how could they, when the IDF has already massacred the Children?


  • #2928
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    The theft of NI happened several centuries before the end of the conflict. The theft of the West Bank and East Jerusalem began 47 years ago and is ongoing, involving many millions of people still living today.

    the conflict in NI began just after the theft, either its theft or it isn't, and as Britian have proved, might is right, and current possession is 9/10's of the law.


  • #2929
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kertrada wrote: »
    the conflict in NI began just after the theft, either its theft or it isn't, and as Britian have proved, might is right, and current possession is 9/10's of the law.

    It's theft - specifically colonialism - and in violation of the Geneva convention. Its not a grey area.


  • #2930
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    But how could they, when the IDF has already massacred the Children?

    I find it hard to believe they are all dead.


  • #2931
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    Nodin wrote: »
    It's theft - specifically colonialism - and in violation of the Geneva convention. Its not a grey area.

    Britian has got away with it in NI then


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  • #2932
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe they are all dead.

    I'm sure there are some that find that disappointing.


  • #2933
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Language like that is not helpful. You'd be no good in the negotiations, which we should all pray, are successful.

    Maybe we could do a rain dance while we are at it for the poor African kids with no.water :rolleyes:


  • #2934
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Kertrada wrote: »
    the conflict in NI began just after the theft, either its theft or it isn't, and as Britian have proved, might is right, and current possession is 9/10's of the law.

    My point is that when an agreement was reached, the theft of land by military force and settlement had ended centuries previously - the vast majority of those living there had either lived there for life or moved there through legitimate purchase of property. Most accept that you can't simply tell all of those people to leave as punishment for the actions of their ancestors. The situation in the Occupied Territories is completely different:
    - Most of the people who had lands stolen by force are still alive or within just one generation
    - Most of the settlers are either people who moved there personally or are within one generation of those who did
    - The theft is still ongoing and expanding
    - The Palestinians are still a majority in those areas and have effectively no political representation.


  • #2935
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    I'm sure there are some that find that disappointing.


    That's outrageous


  • #2936
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kertrada wrote: »
    Britian has got away with it in NI then


    A number of countries have "got away with it" in a number of places. What is your point, might I ask?


  • #2937
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    One more thing to add - when NI was settled, international laws regarding settlement did not exist. These existed and were in force when Israel annexed the occupied territories, and UNSC resolutions specifically call these actions out as illegal and demand their reversal.


  • #2938
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Maybe we could do a rain dance while we are at it for the poor African kids with no.water :rolleyes:


    I don't find drought in certain parts of Africa a laughing matter.


  • #2939
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    That's outrageous

    From a humanity point of view? Yes.

    From a Zionist point of view? No

    I'm surprised you're so shocked though? I mean wasn't it you that said.....
    fedor.2. wrote: »
    The truth, sometimes, can't be all positive. It's unfortunate, but it's the reality we live in.


  • #2940
    Contributor 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Contributor 2013


    Palestinians should just lay down their weapons and surrender. It's the only way to save young Palestinian lives.


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  • #2941
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The last couple of day's posts in this thread would be funny IF it wasn't for the wanton disregard for life which led to this thread's existence in the first place.


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