Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

Capt'n Midnight · 02-08-2014 01:28AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Israel like Ancient Rome are the civilised side in this conflict. It is the terrorists Hamas who are the ones using barbaric tactics and trying to force Islam upon the Jewish people.

Masada.

Hamas forcing Islam ? It's a different spin on things I'll grant you. But the word "force" is a little strong given the complete lack of economic or political influence of Hamas on Israel. On the Military side the only Jewish civilian killed in Israel in the last 18 months by rocket or missiles fired by Palestinians was visiting soldiers in a war zone after the IDF attacked Gaza.

wes · 02-08-2014 01:31AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

You keep using meaningless tags to what is essentially survival of the fittest, Darwinism.

So you don't deny that you support slavery, which is barbaric. How very odd. Now you invoke survival of the fittest. Now, where have I heard that kind of nonsense before....?

Mosby61 wrote: »

Israel has the power, Israel has the backing from the major countries and the most powerful and the backing from the Jewish bankers in America and the Illuminati.

You are backing a loser.

So now you are descending into pure Antisemitism, to add to the support for colonialism, and very possible slavery (considering your lack of denial in regards to support). Also, the Illuminati are pure fiction. Why are you peddling an obvious lie?

You, Sir are a deeply and profoundly disturbing person......

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:34AM

wes wrote: »

So you don't deny that you support slavery, which is barbaric. How very odd. Now you invoke survival of the fittest. Now, where have I heard that kind of nonsense before....?

So now you are descending into pure Antisemitism, to add to the support for colonialism, and very possible slavery (considering your lack of denial in regards to support). You, Sir are a deeply and profoundly disturbing person......

Not mentioned slavery. You don't have to agree with all great Empires on everything they did. You can still support them.

Israel is backed by Jewish bankers in America and the Illuminati. You seem to have an issue with this?

wes · 02-08-2014 01:37AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Not mentioned slavery. You don't have to agree with all great Empires on everything they did. You can still support them.

Ok, so your against the slavery, but not against violent expanding outside your own borders, and bringing death and destruction to those who they invade.

Mosby61 wrote: »

Israel is backed by Jewish bankers in America and the Illuminati. You seem to have an issue with this?

I have an issue with racism in general. Don't care who its directed at.

As for the Illuminati, there entirely fictional.

I think its best that you seek professional help, if your serious, and if your not, I think you may need it doubly so.

Anyway good luck to you, you stopped being even remotely interesting several post ago, and are clearly either who needs some help, in which case, I hope you find it.

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:39AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Not mentioned slavery. You don't have to agree with all great Empires on everything they did. You can still support them.

Israel is backed by Jewish bankers in America and the Illuminati. You seem to have an issue with this?

Well I hope they are looking after you too as given your support it would be unjust that you weren't amply awarded. Did you pick this side for monetary gain or out of conviction?Anyway congratulations on picking a winner.

obplayer · 02-08-2014 01:39AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Not mentioned slavery. You don't have to agree with all great Empires on everything they did. You can still support them.

Israel is backed by Jewish bankers in America and the Illuminati. You seem to have an issue with this?

I really hope you are trolling. We all have to try and remember that there are people at stake here.

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:40AM

wes wrote: »

Ok, so your against the slavery, but not against violent expanding outside your own borders, and bringing death and destruction to those who they invade.

I have an issue with racism in general. Don't care who its directed at.

As for the Illuminati, there entirely fictional.

I think its best that you seek professional help, if your serious, and if your not, I think you may need it doubly so.

So you deny that an elite doesn't exist which has great power in the financial and banking industries and powerful politically? Do the Rothchilds not mean anything to you?

I support Israel, so this is not racism. Do you not want me to be truthful?

Capt'n Midnight · 02-08-2014 01:40AM

moxin wrote: »

Someone quoted the bible here. Where da flook are my slaves? It said so in the bible that I have the divine right to hold slaves!

Here ya go - rules for slaves :pac:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/slavery/ex21_02a.html

The promised land argument - even the Bible says that other people lived there first.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_wilderness/instructions_for_genocide/dt05_01p07_01.html

Deuteronomy 5:1,7:1
Moses called all the Israelites together and said to them, 'Listen, Israel. When Yahweh your God has brought you in to the land which you are going to possess, many nations will be driven out.'

Deuteronomy 7:2
'The Hittites, Girga****es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. You must put them all under the curse of destruction. Show them no pity.'

Deuteronomy 7:3
'You must not intermarry with them, or take a daughter of theirs for a son of yours, for the wrath of Yahweh would blaze out against you and Yahweh would instantly destroy you.'

Deuteronomy 7:5, 12:3
'Instead, treat them like this: tear down their altars, smash their sacred stones, burn down their sacred poles, and hack to pieces the statues of their gods.'

Deuteronomy 20:16-17
'And you must not spare the life of any living thing. Lay them under the curse of destruction: Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, as Yahweh your God has commanded you.'

Deuteronomy 7:16
'Devour all the people whom Yahweh your God puts at your mercy. Show them no pity. Furthermore, Yahweh will send hornets after those who survive and hide from you until they are all destroyed.'

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:42AM

Tuisceanch wrote: »

Well I hope they are looking after you too as given your support it would be unjust that you weren't amply awarded. Did you pick this side for monetary gain or out of conviction?Anyway congratulations on picking a winner.

Mostly for money reasons. Israel pays huge sums of people to defend them online and spread the Zionist message and the pay is good.

I would back Palestine if I got paid but they are losing.

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:42AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

So you deny that an elite doesn't exist which has great power in the financial and banking industries and powerful politically? Do the Rothchilds not mean anything to you?

I support Israel, so this is not racism. Do you not want me to be truthful?

Out of conviction then. Commendable as monetary gain would have been a bit crass.

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:43AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Mostly for money reasons. Israel pays huge sums of people to defend them online and spread the Zionist message and the pay is good.

I would back Palestine if I got paid but they are losing.

Oh sorry I didn't see your response.OK well maybe crass was a bit harsh as honesty doesn't deserve such a label.

wes · 02-08-2014 01:44AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

I support Israel, so this is not racism.

So, you can be an Antisemite and support Israel. This is nothing new.

Mosby61 wrote: »

Do you not want me to be truthful?

Hard to tell, either way, I am serious about seeking professional help either way.

Anyway, next at least try to be interesting. Your recycling ancient Antisemitic tropes, along with conspiracy theory nonsense. Its incredibly boring, and you could at least try to be interesting.

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:47AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Mostly for money reasons. Israel pays huge sums of people to defend them online and spread the Zionist message and the pay is good.

I would back Palestine if I got paid but they are losing.

How much do they pay? What are the entry requirements and where do you apply?Can you add your own creativity to proceedings or do you have to follow a script?Either way I'm good to go.Do I need to 'An Eye of Horus' pendant or such like.

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:47AM

wes wrote: »

So, you can be an Antisemite and support Israel. This is nothing new.

Hard to tell, either way, I am serious about seeking professional help either way.

Anyway, next at least try to be interesting. Your recycling ancient Antisemitic tropes, along with conspiracy theory nonsense. Its incredibly boring, and you could at least try to be interesting.

Better than you rattling on about poor Palestine getting a doing every day. We all know they are getting destroyed. The world can see it. Nothing is happening. No one is going to rescue them.

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:49AM

Tuisceanch wrote: »

How much do they pay? What are the entry requirements and where do you apply?Can you add your own creativity to proceedings or do you have to follow a script?Either way I'm good to go.

You fill in a form which you can get from Israeli embassies if you prove you are legitimate or have some sympathy.

It also helps if you have relatives in the banking industries which many online defenders have.

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:50AM

[QUOTE=Mosby61;91543829We all know they are getting destroyed. The world can see it. Nothing is happening. No one is going to rescue them.[/QUOTE]

Sad but true. Although I'll edit the sad bit if it means I won't be accepted for that lucrative job.Survival of the fittest and all that malarky.

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:51AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

You fill in a form which you can get from Israeli embassies if you prove you are legitimate or have some sympathy.

It also helps if you have relatives in the banking industries which many online defenders have.

Can I just pretend to have sympathy? I've ruined my chances haven't I.I'm always doing that!

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:55AM

Tuisceanch wrote: »

Can I just pretend to have sympathy?

I suppose if you can get past security checks. We are mercenaries taking advantage of the conflict.

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:58AM

Sorry didn't mean to derail proceedings by my mercenary activity.I promise I won't interrupt again. I think it's late anyway and people might have gone to bed.

BlaasForRafa · 02-08-2014 02:02AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Masada.

Hamas forcing Islam ? It's a different spin on things I'll grant you. But the word "force" is a little strong given the complete lack of economic or political influence of Hamas on Israel. On the Military side the only Jewish civilian killed in Israel in the last 18 months by rocket or missiles fired by Palestinians was visiting soldiers in a war zone after the IDF attacked Gaza.

Wrong. A Thai national was killed while he was working as a fruit picker when a mortar round hit the glasshouse he was working in last week. http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Victims/Pages/Narakorn-Kittiyangkul.aspx

Also just over a week ago a bedouin was killed when the encampment he lived in was hit by a rocket. http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Victims/Pages/Ouda-Lafi-al-Waj.aspx

dav3 · 02-08-2014 02:03AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

I suppose if you can get past security checks. We are mercenaries taking advantage of the conflict.

Although you're desperately attempting to troll, your posting style gives the game away. It's just too familiar. You've got to try harder.

wes · 02-08-2014 02:04AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Also just over a week ago a bedouin was killed when the encampment he lived in was hit by a rocket. http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Victims/Pages/Ouda-Lafi-al-Waj.aspx

Hmmm, why is it that the Israeli government does not provide shelters to Bedouins? Odd that they don't have them? I wonder why that possibly could be?

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 02:06AM

dav3 wrote: »

Although you're desperately attempting to troll, your posting style gives the game away. It's just too familiar. You've got to try harder.

People are on the payroll. You disagree?

Manic Moran · 02-08-2014 02:15AM

wes wrote: »

So pointing out that the IDF admitted they were in the midst of an operating is clutching at straws now. Care to explain how the IDF pressing "activities on the ground" was adhering to the ceasefire?

While, again, pointing out that I haven't actually seen the specifics of the ceasefire terms (and I don't think anyone else here has), and besides pointing out the obvious that "cease fire" literally means "cease fire".

The obvious case in point is the Korean peninsula. The truce has generally held for sixty years, but there is absolutely no way you can say that activities on the ground, even in captured terriory (the MDL is not the border which existed before the war started) have ceased, with plenty of engineering works going on on both sides of the border by both sides, laying minefields, constructions, etc.

The full text of the agreement is here. http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/korea/kwarmagr072753.html

If we were to assume for the sake of discussion that the Hamas/Israel ceasefire agreement was identical to that of the Korean War (with the obvious exception of the demilitarized zone), it would thus follow that activities in occupied territory need not be counter to the agreement.

I had a quick look to see if I could find the verbiage of the ceasefire agreement for 1973 (it held for three months before a proper peace treaty was signed), but didn't have any luck.

wes · 02-08-2014 02:35AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

While, again, pointing out that I haven't actually seen the specifics of the ceasefire terms (and I don't think anyone else here has), and besides pointing out the obvious that "cease fire" literally means "cease fire".

You use Korea as an example, but I think a better example would be Seoul or Pyongyang, and if either side we engaged in any military operations in the others capital city or any other major urban area, then surely that would be a violation of the ceasefire?

Your right in that we don't know the exact details of the cease fire, but I find it hard to believe that it would allow an operation on the Rafah border with Egypt to destroy a tunnel, which doesn't even lead into Israel. I find it hard to believe that Hamas would agree to a truce that allowed the IDF to continue to destroy tunnels.

Perhaps the terms of the ceasefire were ambiguous, and both sides genuinely believe the other broke the ceasefire. However, surely any kind of military operation had the potential for disaster, seeing as how tense the situation in Gaza is, and if the ceasefire did allow such operations, I would have to question the people who drafted its competence.

snubbleste · 02-08-2014 02:38AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Mostly for money reasons. Israel pays huge sums of people to defend them online and spread the Zionist message and the pay is good.

Interfaith Dutch volunteers defend Israel on social media

Around a conference table in an office in the Amsterdam suburb of Buitenveldert, 30 volunteers were writing and collecting pro-Israel materials and transferring them to an editor who posted them on social network

Does anyone know if there is an Irish set-up?

Manic Moran · 02-08-2014 02:57AM

wes wrote: »

You use Korea as an example, but I think a better example would be Seoul or Pyongyang, and if either side we engaged in any military operations in the others capital city or any other major urban area, then surely that would be a violation of the ceasefire?

I'm not familiar with any cease-fires during the Seoul and Pyongyang battles.

In any case, why should the location make any difference? You're either shooting at someone, or you're not. You're laying mines, or you're not. Your undertaking engineering works, or you're not. Unless there is a geographic mention in the ceasefire agreement, one would not assume that different rules apply in it.

[Edit: As I read a bit more in detail]

I find it hard to believe that Hamas would agree to a truce that allowed the IDF to continue to destroy tunnels.

Frankly, I find it hard to believe that Hamas expected a truce where the Israelis would sit there and do nothing. The idea of 'no activities', for example, would include the Israelis not attempting to deactivate any booby traps it may have discovered, remove any mines, resupply with arms or food, etc, rotate troops in and out, what have you. It is expected that such activities will take place. The Israelis doubtless would assume that Hamas is doing exactly the same thing, laying mines, booby traps, resupplying with ammo, relocating personnel, and so on. The trick is that they're not shooting at each other while doing it. All to prepare for the great smorgasborg which will occur when the truce ends.

Joeseph Balls · 02-08-2014 07:39AM

These "Free Palestine' bracelets for charity. What charity does the proceeds go to does anyone know?

Dan_Solo · 02-08-2014 08:56AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

So you deny that an elite doesn't exist which has great power in the financial and banking industries and powerful politically? Do the Rothchilds not mean anything to you?

I support Israel, so this is not racism. Do you not want me to be truthful?

Israel is a racist state by fundamental self-definition.

Dan_Solo · 02-08-2014 08:59AM

So do we have 10 new pro-baby murder boards.ie user accounts yet for the morning shift lads?

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