Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

Son Of A Vidic · 02-08-2014 12:58AM

Judging by the unusually high numbers of newly registered members, appearing in here in the last number of days. I'm guessing the Israeli embassy must have gone on their summer holidays.

wes · 02-08-2014 12:59AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

So should the Orange settlers go home?

Completely off topic, once again, there is a peace agreement in regards to the North. Are you somehow unaware of this?

In the case of Israeli settlements, they are a violent act of colonialism, that is illegal under international law, and is happening as we speak. You support for this act of violence and terrorism by the Israeli government shows your position to be entirely hypocritical, as you support violence from Israel settlement project, in your defense of it.

RustyNut · 02-08-2014 01:00AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

What have you got against settlers? It happens in many European countries now. We just call it immigration. Another word for it.

It's happened throughout history. On this island too. Don't see you complaining about 800k settlers living here.

These days they don't usually kick your door in, tell you that god gave them this land, now fcuk off or we will shoot you and all your family. Its only the zionists that think this is acceptable in this day and age.

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:01AM

wes wrote: »

There is a peace deal in regards to the North that we all agreed to. The right and the wrongs of the past in regards to the North are completely irrelevant to the current topic.

So Israeli settlers =bad - Protestant settlers = good.

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:01AM

ireland.man wrote: »

That's what I'm confused by.... is this standard Israeli propaganda or are these fools letting their side down? Again, I can't imagine too many well educated and well informed people being influenced by any, any single argument put forth by the pro-Israeli side on this thread so far.

You know I'm not sure what their objective is? If it's to be disruptive or to deter solidarity on the subject of Gaza then I don't how they are best served by the absurdity of their statements and their ludicrous logic.

Dan_Solo · 02-08-2014 01:02AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Zionist? Do you say that to everyone who isn't pro Palestine?

No, I say it to people like you who spout Zionist apologist rubbish.

wes · 02-08-2014 01:02AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Zionist? Do you say that to everyone who isn't pro Palestine?

You support illegal Israeli settlements, which are integral to the Zionist project. Referring to someone who supports this as a Zionist, is perfectly reasonable.

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:03AM

wes wrote: »

Completely off topic, once again, there is a peace agreement in regards to the North. Are you somehow unaware of this?

In the case of Israeli settlements, they are a violent act of colonialism, that is illegal under international law, and is happening as we speak. You support for this act of violence and terrorism by the Israeli government shows your position to be entirely hypocritical, as you support violence from Israel settlement project, in your defense of it.

Nothing wrong with colonialism. Israel is not a big colonial power. So I would not give them enough credit for that. They haven't taken over enough countries.

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:05AM

wes wrote: »

You support illegal Israeli settlements, which are integral to the Zionist project. Referring to someone who supports this as a Zionist, is perfectly reasonable.

I must be a Zionist then. So is Obama. So I'm in good company.

Dan_Solo · 02-08-2014 01:05AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

You complain about Israeli settlers but not settlers here. Mainly in Northern Ireland. Hypocrisy or lack of knowledge?

So it's IDF IT kiddy bingo time again? We have whataboutery and terrorists ticked immediately. The "settlers stealing land are really just immigrants" one which is pretty creative, I'll give you that.
We move onto civilians being legitimate targets next I believe if we want to get back to the script?

wes · 02-08-2014 01:05AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

So Israeli settlers =bad

You forgot the mention that the settlement are illegal again for some reason. Rather odd that.

Mosby61 wrote: »

- Protestant settlers = good.

Never made any such claim.

Regardless, you are once again off topic, but I will reiterate that there is peace deal in regards to the North, that we all agreed to. Why you wish to continue to try and drag thing off topic is beyond me.

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:05AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

So Israeli settlers =bad - Protestant settlers = good.

Confining people to a ghetto in miserable conditions is bad.

Trying to live together in peace and reconciling the past and each acknowledging the equal rights of the other. It takes time but with a will and good heart it has a chance and it's better than the mindless bloodshed of the past.

wes · 02-08-2014 01:06AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with colonialism. Israel is not a big colonial power. So I would not give them enough credit for that. They haven't taken over enough countries.

So you support Israeli violent colonialism. Good that you admit to your support for racism, terrorism, and war, all of which are inherent to any colonial project.

ireland.man · 02-08-2014 01:07AM

Tuisceanch wrote: »

You know I'm not sure what their objective is? If it's to be disruptive or to deter solidarity on the subject of Gaza then I don't how they are best served by the absurdity of their statements and their ludicrous logic.

I actually think they're galvanizing support FOR Gaza. If they were not in this thread the pro-Palestinians might be divided by much more petty and minor differences like those who support Abbas versus those who want more radical alternatives. They're so extreme they're pushing pro-Palestinians into a single unit and they're reminding us why being pro-Israeli is such an extremist position.

Dan_Solo · 02-08-2014 01:08AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

I must be a Zionist then. So is Obama. So I'm in good company.

Weird how I guessed you were a Zionist and now you admit it, huh? Don't you guys get set a target of 100 posts under the radar or something before your cover gets blown?

wes · 02-08-2014 01:08AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

I must be a Zionist then. So is Obama. So I'm in good company.

Good that you admit it then.

RustyNut · 02-08-2014 01:08AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Zionist? Do you say that to everyone who isn't pro Palestine?

Why do you ask? would you be embarrassed to be a zionist ?

h2005 · 02-08-2014 01:10AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

So should the Orange settlers go home?

Whats your opinion on this http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/03/israel-doubles-west-bank-outpost-construction-201433143850913282.html ?

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:11AM

wes wrote: »

So you support Israeli violent colonialism. Good that you admit to your support for racism, terrorism, and war, all of which are inherent to any colonial project.

If it was good enough for Julius Ceasar and Alexander the Great, it's good enough for me. I have no issue with Israel defending its land against terrorists who use barbarian tactic. Not too different to Arminius and his band of savages.

Some people should know when they are conquered.

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:12AM

ireland.man wrote: »

I actually think they're galvanizing support FOR Gaza. If they were not in this thread the pro-Palestinians might be divided by much more petty and minor differences like those who support Abbas versus those who want more radical alternatives. They're so extreme they're pushing pro-Palestinians into a single unit and they're reminding us why being pro-Israeli is such an extremist position.

Well maybe that's their objective but I support the right of Israel to live in peaceful harmony with it's neighbors and like others of the citizens I think that would be best served by dismantling the settlements and voting out their fascist government and prosecute their citizens who promote racism and genocide against other people.Isn't that what a civilised democracy would do?

Tigerbaby · 02-08-2014 01:14AM

peeps, stop feeding the megaphonie trolls. Think of something more useful than venting on QWERTY ok? There are practical things that you can do to conquer evil.

wes · 02-08-2014 01:15AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

If it was good enough for Julius Ceasar and Alexander the Great, it's good enough for me. I have no issue with Israel defending its land against terrorists who use barbarian tactic. Not too different to Arminius and his band of savages.

Some people should know when they are conquered.

How is expanding outside your own border defending your territory? Also, you support colonialism, which involves terrorism, racism, and often genocide.

So, why do you openly support terrorism, racism and very possibly genocide? All of which are common features of colonialism that you support. Do you like the idea of civilians being killed so that racists can expand outside there borders? How exactly is someone like you who supports colonialism, not themselves a barbarian?

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:17AM

wes wrote: »

How is expanding outside your own border defending your territory? Also, you support colonialism, which involves terrorism, racism, and often genocide.

So, why do you openly support terrorism, racism and very possibly genocide? All of which are common features of colonialism that you support. Do you like the idea of civilians being killed so that racists can expand outside there borders? How exactly is someone like you who supports colonialism, not themselves a barbarian?

Israel like Ancient Rome are the civilised side in this conflict. It is the terrorists Hamas who are the ones using barbaric tactics and trying to force Islam upon the Jewish people.

Capt'n Midnight · 02-08-2014 01:18AM

WakeUp wrote: »

Israel creates no mans land in Gaza shrinking strip by 40%:

This narrow strip of land that used to be called “the Gaza Strip,” already one of the more densely populated places on Earth, is growing dramatically smaller. The Israeli military, relentlessly and methodically, is driving people out of the 3-kilometer (1.8 mile) buffer zone it says it needs to protect against Hamas rockets and tunnels.

The existing buffer zone is up to 1km in parts , how long is the longest tunnel ?

Also we've been subjected to graphics of long range rockets , another 2km isn't really going to make much difference.

Capt'n Midnight · 02-08-2014 01:18AM

pedro1234 wrote: »

There's not many Irish politicians who would kidnap and kill you for not repaying a debt to them.

well not down south anyway

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:20AM

Tigerbaby wrote: »

peeps, stop feeding the megaphonie trolls. Think of something more useful than venting on QWERTY ok? There are practical things that you can do to conquer evil.

It's not such a waste of time to be here as it's a training ground as you get to know more about the nature of this evil.Shouldn't focus on it exclusively to the detriment of other things for sure.

wes · 02-08-2014 01:22AM

Mosby61 wrote: »

Israel like Ancient Rome are the civilised side in this conflict.

So you are saying that slavery is civilized, which is how Rome built its empire btw. Do you support slavery? Also, how exactly is slavery civilized?

Mosby61 wrote: »

It is the terrorists Hamas who are the ones using barbaric tactics and trying to force Islam upon the Jewish people.

Interesting, how is colonialism, not barbaric, as it involves terrorism, racism and yes very often genocide against the natives?

Lastly, why do you refuse to answer any of these questions? Are you unable to understand them, or purposefully refusing to do so, due to you inability to form a coherent response?

Tuisceanch · 02-08-2014 01:23AM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Weird how I guessed you were a Zionist and now you admit it, huh? Don't you guys get set a target of 100 posts under the radar or something before your cover gets blown?

The game has changed for them. They don't feel they need to hide anymore.This is the endgame.

RustyNut · 02-08-2014 01:25AM

Tuisceanch wrote: »

It's not such a waste of time to be here as it's a training ground as you get to know more about the nature of this evil.Shouldn't focus on it exclusively to the detriment of other things for sure.

Point taken.

Mosby61 · 02-08-2014 01:26AM

wes wrote: »

So you are saying that slavery is civilized, which is how Rome built its empire btw. Do you support slavery? Also, how exactly is slavery civilized?

Interesting, how is colonialism, not barbaric, as it involves terrorism, racism and yes very often genocide against the natives?

Lastly, why do you refuse to answer any of these questions? Are you unable to understand them, or purposefully refusing to do so, due to you inability to form a coherent response?

You keep using meaningless tags to what is essentially survival of the fittest, Darwinism. Israel has the power, Israel has the backing from the major countries and the most powerful and the backing from the Jewish bankers in America and the Illuminati.

You are backing a loser.

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