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I need feminism because...

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  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Makes me fcuking sick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Morag


    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/19/gangs-rape-lists-sex-assault

    Because it's harder to be done for rape or sexual assault and when you do it's a shorter sentence,
    so gangs are making up lists of women and girls who are related to rival gang members to attack.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭YumCha


    Because someone somewhere will be all "rape culture doesn't exist", and it seems like almost every day there's a case like this one:

    (Super trigger warnings obvs)

    http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/7/18/on-rape-high-schoolsareworsethancolleges.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    It's very minor but today out in the playground with my son I've heard two mothers talk to their daughters in a sexist manner. One telling her daughter not to climb on a climbing frame because she is not a boy and another telling her son who was playing football that he can get a goal past his sister because she is just a girl. Can these people even hear themselves?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    eviltwin wrote: »
    It's very minor but today out in the playground with my son I've heard two mothers talk to their daughters in a sexist manner. One telling her daughter not to climb on a climbing frame because she is not a boy and another telling her son who was playing football that he can get a goal past his sister because she is just a girl. Can these people even hear themselves?

    On that note, I was just walking up to my apartment and I saw an adorable little girl with bright blue framed glasses, baseball cap and backpack coming against me. I "D'aaawed" and it took me a few seconds to think why I was so happy seeing it. Bright blue framed glasses? Eff you gender roles! **** yeah!

    And it made me think. We've had talk about adorable little people (toddlers and young kids) with glasses in the forum the past few days... Is the adorable bespectacled child look a typically male thing? I know I've certainly heard parents lamenting their little girl having to get glasses because it would upset her cuteness, but little boys with glasses are generally seen as adorable or cute. Or is this just me?


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    but little boys with glasses are generally seen as adorable or cute.

    And weak. Just saying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I never found glasses adorable or cute or the opposite. They are just glasses. Some suit you and some don't. For me it wouldn't be about cutness. You are never happy as parent thst your child needs some sort of an aid. And with mine I would actually worry how to keep glasses on their noses. And I really can't see any difference in what gender is the child or adult. Frankly if I would hear parent fretting that their child will be less cute with glasses I would think to myself what an idiot. Maybe I am a bit clueless but I really didn't think that was a gender issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Because cooing over a newborn baby does not automatically make me "broody" :mad:


  • Moderators Posts: 52,157 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    eviltwin wrote: »
    It's very minor but today out in the playground with my son I've heard two mothers talk to their daughters in a sexist manner. One telling her daughter not to climb on a climbing frame because she is not a boy and another telling her son who was playing football that he can get a goal past his sister because she is just a girl. Can these people even hear themselves?

    Verizon made an ad that kind of touches on that.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭ivytwine


    Wanted to post a little good news story in this thread :) On the way home I saw a dad teaching his little girl cricket while her brother played with a space hopper.

    We need more daddies like him!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,915 ✭✭✭✭Eeden


    Confused Cats Against Feminism
    A new Tumblr blog called "Confused Cats Against Feminism" is making the viral rounds this week as thousands continue to rile against a growing contingent of vocal anti-feminists online.

    "Hey, cats need a place where they can post pictures of themselves holding signs denouncing feminism for assorted weird reasons that don't seem to have anything to do with what feminism is actually about," reads the site's about section, taking a not-so-subtle shot at the "Women Against Feminism" movement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Oh yeh, "Women against feminism" - comprising no doubt the type of women who say stuff like "I only hang around with guys, women are so bitchy", despite being... women.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Bafucin


    I need feminism because I have just become an Uncle to my baby niece!:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    From what I can see most of the "Women Against Feminism" are young affluent white girls who say things like "I don't need feminism because, like, all the bad things that happen to women happen in other countries so, like, who cares, right?"

    They don't seem to realize just how lucky they are to live in a world where they actually can go online and make videos and start movements without being shut down or imprisoned or worse. I mean, it was only a couple of years ago that Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head for simply going to school, and the schoolgirls in Nigeria are still missing and being subjected to God knows what, and there are many more just like them. Not to mention the myriad of ways that women continue to be treated differently in our oh-so-enlightened western world. I find it a little insulting to the struggles that many women face both close to home and further afield to then turn around and say that feminism isn't important.

    The whole thing fcuking reeks of western white privilege, honestly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    I think a lot of the negative feelings toward feminism are coming about because a small proportion of women have forgotten that Feminism is about equality and choice and have taken it to extremes of man-hating such as claiming that all penetrative sex is rape, or attacking women who choose to be stay-at-home parents.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭SueBoom


    It's only a minor thing and I'm sure I'm in the minority of people who were unaware this was happening but the fact that it's not uncommon for companies to have a rule that women must at all times where high heels. I see in hindsight it was naive of me to think times were well past this kind of bullshiit. It baffles me though, both that companies have the balls to enforce this as a RULE and that many women willingly participate. I don't think I'd be so willing if put in that position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    SueBoom wrote: »
    It's only a minor thing and I'm sure I'm in the minority of people who were unaware this was happening but the fact that it's not uncommon for companies to have a rule that women must at all times where high heels. I see in hindsight it was naive of me to think times were well past this kind of bullshiit. It baffles me though, both that companies have the balls to enforce this as a RULE and that many women willingly participate. I don't think I'd be so willing if put in that position.

    TBH I'd be straight on to my doctor to give me a note excusing me from wearing heels. See how they react to that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I also know of the bank that requested from female employees to wear skirt among other things. I don't find particularly offensive or unreasonable. In comparison to men women actually have way more freedom when dressing professionally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,358 ✭✭✭✭fits


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I also know of the bank that requested from female employees to wear skirt among other things. I don't find particularly offensive or unreasonable. In comparison to men women actually have way more freedom when dressing professionally.

    I think its completely unreasonable, as long as you are clean and tidy and well presented you shouldnt have to wear a skirt or make up or heels or anything else.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,358 ✭✭✭✭fits


    SueBoom wrote: »
    It's only a minor thing and I'm sure I'm in the minority of people who were unaware this was happening but the fact that it's not uncommon for companies to have a rule that women must at all times where high heels. I see in hindsight it was naive of me to think times were well past this kind of bullshiit. It baffles me though, both that companies have the balls to enforce this as a RULE and that many women willingly participate. I don't think I'd be so willing if put in that position.


    What companies??? I would hit the roof!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    I've never seen the requirement - but as a software developer I'm not customer facing, and generally end up looking more dressy than men I work with by wearing a well-fitting t-shirt, jeans and Converse! :pac:

    I couldn't do it. I don't find heels comfortable at all and it would just be a distraction to me all day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    fits wrote: »
    I think its completely unreasonable, as long as you are clean and tidy and well presented you shouldnt have to wear a skirt or make up or heels or anything else.
    Or tie or a suit or an uniform??? Maybe then you are not so suited to the company you are working for and it might be time to look for a different job. I wouldn't want to be represented by a solicitor wearing jeans no mater how tidy and well presented they would be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,946 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    fits wrote: »
    What companies??? I would hit the roof!

    I'm guessing, but the likes of banking or air hostess would come to mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Or tie or a suit or an uniform??? Maybe then you are not so suited to the company you are working for and it might be time to look for a different job. I wouldn't want to be represented by a solicitor wearing jeans no mater how tidy and well presented they would be.

    But would you have a problem with a female solicitor wearing a smart shirt, slacks, no make-up, and flat shoes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭LenaClaire


    SueBoom wrote: »
    It's only a minor thing and I'm sure I'm in the minority of people who were unaware this was happening but the fact that it's not uncommon for companies to have a rule that women must at all times where high heels. I see in hindsight it was naive of me to think times were well past this kind of bullshiit. It baffles me though, both that companies have the balls to enforce this as a RULE and that many women willingly participate. I don't think I'd be so willing if put in that position.

    It really depends on the company and the industry. When I worked in hospitality, anyone in sales or front of house (concierge, front desk,bellmen etc) had a certain dress code that was much more formal than back of house people like housekeeping, maintenance, cooks, etc. I think it was some point in the 90s when they changed the code so the women could wear pantsuits, but you needed at least a one inch heel on your shoes.

    Only rings allowed were wedding/engagement rings, only one set of ear rings, if it was a hoop it could not be larger than a 1 euro coin, no other piercings or tatoos. Nails had to either polish free or a "classic" pink or red. Suits had to be matching, bottom and coat same color, same fabric. If wearing a skirt, nylons were mandatory. No open toes or slingback heels.

    I actually got in trouble with the General Manager one day and had to go buy new shoes since I had on wedges (really nice ones) instead of a classic heel. Luckily one of the managers took pity on me (since only option nearby was Bloomingdales, very expensive) and she paid for the new shoes.

    However, this was known during interview and hiring. It was a 5 star hotel with rooms costing over 500/night. It was part of the image of the hotel, so I knew full well what I was getting into. I don't think it is per say a feminism issue, unless the men can wear whatever they want. In our hotel, the men's standards of grooming were just as strict in regards to fit of pants, grooming, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    kylith wrote: »
    But would you have a problem with a female solicitor wearing a smart shirt, slacks, no make-up, and flat shoes?
    Depends on the type of the shoe, I don't mind trousers if they are appropriate and I don't give a damn weather they wear make up or not. But I'm not a particular employer, if they have certain dress code then I would stick to it. Only thing I do dislike is the idea that women are required to wear make up. I think it should be a personal choice weather you put something on your skin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭SueBoom


    fits wrote: »
    What companies??? I would hit the roof!

    One I know for certain is Grant Thornton, a financial/accountant firm. From what I've been told this particular policy is not uncommon in the financial industry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Btw I would be way more insulted if I would be required to wear black poliester work trouser that seem to be the norm in so many shops.


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  • Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Tara Salty Flame


    I've arthritis in my big toes and a dodgy previously broken toe, heels every day would be agony

    Would be against it on principle anyway


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