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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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  • #3272
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    jank wrote: »
    Pages and pages of evidence that describes official IDF policy? Or pages of hearsay and opinions.

    No pages and pages of example, after example of the IDF murdering civilians. More than enough proof, except its seem for the IDF apologist.


  • #3273
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    It is known as incremental genocide, a term coined by an Israeli

    So the end goal of Israel is to kill all the Palestinians....slowly.
    That statement is just wrong on so many levels. Israel has the capability to commit genocide if it wanted to but choose not to. Hamas would commit genocide if it could. That is a key difference.


  • #3274
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    wes wrote: »
    No pages and pages of example, after example of the IDF murdering civilians. More than enough proof, except its seem for the IDF apologist.

    Still not evidence of official policy....


  • #3275
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    jank wrote: »
    Suits them fine so. Don't cause panic on the streets, die instead. Great guys Hamas are. I wish I had them running my country.

    Using children and civilians as human shields while launching rockets from schools and hospitals would in my book constitute a war crime. Would you not agree?

    Yes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA7b2BNjnsg


  • #3276
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    wes wrote: »

    Get back to me, when all Palestinian under Israeli rule have there rights respected.

    Get back to me when Travellers under Irish rule have their right respected.


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  • #3277
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    jank wrote: »
    Pages and pages of evidence that describes official IDF policy? Or pages of hearsay and opinions.

    If official IDF policy has nothing to do with targeting civilians why did they destroy the only power plant in Gaza? that's deliberately and blatantly targeting the civilian population, all of them. If the day ever comes where Israel, rightfully in my opinion, ends up in the dock of the ICC to answer for their war crimes and repeated breaches of international law to say they would be torn asunder is an understatement. they would be destroyed. in a purely legal sense of course.


  • #3278
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    WakeUp wrote: »
    If official IDF policy has nothing to do with targeting civilians why did they destroy the only power plant in Gaza? that's deliberately and blatantly targeting the civilian population, all of them. If the day ever comes where Israel, rightfully in my opinion, ends up in the dock of the ICC to answer for their war crimes and repeated breaches of international law to say they would be torn asunder is an understatement. they would be destroyed. in a purely legal sense of course.

    They targetted the power plant, as the power was used by hamas to power their power tools when making paper rockets out of school supplies under the hospitals.


  • #3279
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    brimal wrote: »
    You can nit-pick all you want and try find issues with Israel's democracy but ultimately it is a modern, highly-advanced state surrounded by countries which are decades if not centuries behind in human rights, HDI, etc.

    The irony here is very strong. Now if Israel was a true civilised democracy, it would allow those refuges that they ethnically cleaned from their lands, the right to return. Of course they haven't and won't allow that to happen, because to do so would remove their artificially created dominance via the ballot box. More importantly, it would also represent the death knell for Zionist war hawks and their Greater Israel.


  • #3280
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    The irony here is very strong. Now if Israel was a true civilised democracy, it would allow those refuges that they ethnically cleaned from their lands, the right to return. Of course they haven't and won't allow that to happen, because to do so would remove their artificially created dominance via the ballot box. More importantly, it would also represent the death knell for Zionist war hawks and their Greater Israel.

    Money money Money,


    MONEY.




    That is all [/END]


  • #3281
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    WakeUp wrote: »
    If official IDF policy has nothing to do with targeting civilians why did they destroy the only power plant in Gaza? that's deliberately and blatantly targeting the civilian population, all of them. If the day ever comes where Israel, rightfully in my opinion, ends up in the dock of the ICC to answer for their war crimes and repeated breaches of international law to say they would be torn asunder is an understatement. they would be destroyed. in a purely legal sense of course.

    Of course…


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  • #3282
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    listermint wrote: »
    They targetted the power plant, as the power was used by hamas to power their power tools when making paper rockets out of school supplies under the hospitals.

    I don't agree with targeting a power plant, but the second half of your post suggesting that Hamas' rockets are harmless little make-and-do projects is wrong. These are very real rockets made or imported by very real terrorists that have killed people with them.


  • #3283
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    I don't agree with targeting a power plant, but the second half of your post suggesting that Hamas' rockets are harmless little make-and-do projects is wrong. These are very real rockets made or imported by very real terrorists that have killed people with them.

    Sorry yeah, i forgot there was already a system in place there for dealing with them.. (iron shield dome or whatever the fk they want to call it)
    But sure lets not let that destract from the fact using expensive weapons of war and making small section of powerful people rich isnt what this is all about.


  • #3284
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    jank wrote: »
    Still not evidence of official policy....

    Dahiya doctrine

    To any normal person, example after example of Israel murdering civilian deliberately would be enough evidence, expect to an IDF apologist of course.


  • #3285
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Of course…

    What do you mean of course? what are you trying to say just say it stop being watery and speak your mind...


  • #3286
    KahBoom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭KahBoom


    IDF policy is not "what the IDF says it does" (official policy), it is "what the IDF does" (unofficial policy) - apologists for the IDF's actions, will insist nothing is deliberate, unless the IDF says it is deliberate; that's effectively the argument here.

    It works like this: Apologists shift the goalposts of every argument, to try and make the burden of proof "the Israel-government/IDF must say they deliberately do 'x', for there to be proof" (i.e. it's not true unless it's official stated policy, even when actions make it blindingly obvious that it is the unofficial unstated policy).

    Nevermind all of the actual evidence of dead children and e.g. targeting of children on the beach for shelling, or that the extreme recklessness of the bombing qualifies as intent: "If the Israeli-government/IDF doesn't say it's so, it's not so."


  • #3287
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Get back to me when Travellers under Irish rule have their right respected.

    So the Irish government is engaged in a campaign of mass murder against travelers, while denying millions of them citizenship in the Irish state, while ruling over them?


  • #3288
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    listermint wrote: »
    But sure lets not let that destract from the fact using expensive weapons of war and making small section of powerful people rich isnt what this is all about.

    waste is encouraged... same as it ever was.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/30/military-spending-waste_n_942723.html


  • #3289
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    WakeUp wrote: »
    What do you mean of course? what are you trying to say just say it stop being watery and speak your mind...

    Any right thinking person can see your diatribe for what it is. The fact that you had to ad in a legal sense, of course. Just proves it. ;)


  • #3290
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    jank wrote: »
    Dead children is evidence of many things but a deliberate action on behalf of the Israeli state in targeting them is not it. You made the original claim yet for all your bluster, pictures, claim to emotion not one shred of evidence has emerged that the IDF or the Israeli government are deliberately targeting children.

    So they are killing them by accident?


  • #3291
    shanesheil19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 ✭shanesheil19


    I know it's disgusting I couldn't agree more, days like this I wish I still smoked the pouches of samson,


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  • #3292
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    wes wrote: »
    So the Irish government is engaged in a campaign of mass murder against travelers, while denying millions of them citizenship in the Irish state, while ruling over them?

    In a sense. Yes.

    Just look at what they did to that poor blonde Roma children.


  • #3293
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    mad muffin wrote: »
    In a sense. Yes.

    Just look at what they did to that poor blonde Roma children.

    Your username is particularly apt.


  • #3294
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    mad muffin wrote: »
    In a sense. Yes.

    Just look at what they did to that poor blonde Roma children.

    they fired missiles at her, didnt they?


  • #3295
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Any right thinking person can see your diatribe for what it is. The fact that you had to ad in a legal sense, of course. Just proves it. ;)

    Can they now. proves what?..


  • #3296
    wretcheddomain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    mikeym wrote: »
    Could Iran declare war on Israel since their the only other Arab country that seems to openly oppose Israel as a state.

    I hope they do because the Americans are pouring more money into Israels defense.

    More money to blow up children.

    Iran are not an Arab people - they're a Persian people.

    I'll ignore the rest of your post for obvious reasons.


  • #3297
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,731 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Originally Posted by Tony EH viewpost.gif
    A Jew is not only defined by religion. They can be defined by a racial makeup and a genetic lineage. That's why in Judaism, the idea of being a Jew is passed down by the mother in a familial sense.

    A huge number of Jews in the US are secular, for instance, but are still Jews racially.


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Absolutely no such thing.

    Sorry, ethnically.


  • #3298
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    Tells one a lot about Hamas, they are untouchables. The only country crazy enough to support them is one that wants to have a World Cup in 55 degree heat. And, of course, the new caliphate.

    And the only country crazy enough to support Israel also has a habit of firing missiles at children.


  • #3299
    Sir Gallagher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Get back to me when Travellers under Irish rule have their right respected.

    Oh dear... This is genuinely cringeworthy.


  • #3300
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    listermint wrote: »
    Your username is particularly apt.
    DamagedTrax wrote: »
    they fired missiles at her, didnt they?
    Sir Gallagher wrote: »
    Oh dear... This is genuinely cringeworthy.

    Good. I'm glad you guys can spot a ridicules argument. Pretty much like most of this thread. ;)


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  • #3301
    KahBoom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭KahBoom


    Another good article by Greenwald:
    ...
    In American media discourse, when Palestinians overwhelmingly kill soldiers (95% of the Israeli death toll) who are part of an army that is blockading, occupying, invading, and indiscriminately bombing them and killing their children by the hundreds, that is “terrorism”; when Israelis use massive, brutal force against a trapped civilian population, overwhelmingly killing innocent men, women and children (at least 75% of the Palestinian death toll), with clear intentions to kill civilians (see point 3), that is noble “self-defense.” ...
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/07/29/terrorism-israelgaza-context/


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